Post election prediction

[wes4dbt]

I started on Twitter around the time when the Musk takeover was looming, I spend more time on that site than any other except YouTube and I have 15,200+ posts there, a little less than twice the amount I have here, so why do you think you know more than I do about what goes on over there?

I never said I new more about what goes on there. I said I don't believe this.

There was almost nothing you could say on old Twitter and not get suspended.

For that to be true, millions of people would have to be suspended daily considering 100's of millions of tweets posted per day. That didn't happen.

[Niya]

I never said I new more about what goes on there. I said I don't believe this.

Well you better believe it. While I came to the party late, I did come in time to experience some of old Twitter and I am telling you, when Musk took over and lifted all the speech restrictions, Twitter changed overnight. There was a deluge of thought the likes of which had never been seen on Twitter before. I saw in real time Twitter change from a left wing echo chamber to a vibrant community with an unparalleled diversity of thought. No matter what you believe in or what you values are, I guarantee you can now find a community of like-minded individuals on Twitter. This was not the case pre-Musk and it is still not the case on many big sites like Reddit. So where were all these voices?

I would estimate based on my experience that a good 70% to 80% of what you see on Twitter today would not have been allowed before Musk took it. I cannot stress enough how much Twitter restricted speech in the old days. It was just unbelievably draconian like something out of dystopian fiction. I am not joking.

[wes4dbt]

Well you better believe it. While I came to the party late, I did come in time to experience some of old Twitter and I am telling you, when Musk took over and lifted all the speech restrictions, Twitter changed overnight. There was a deluge of thought the likes of which had never been seen on Twitter before. I saw in real time Twitter change from a left wing echo chamber to a vibrant community with an unparalleled diversity of thought. No matter what you believe in or what you values are, I guarantee you can now find a community of like-minded individuals on Twitter. This was not the case pre-Musk and it is still not the case on many big sites like Reddit. So where were all these voices?

I would estimate based on my experience that a good 70% to 80% of what you see on Twitter today would not have been allowed before Musk took it. I cannot stress enough how much Twitter restricted speech in the old days. It was just unbelievably draconian like something out of dystopian fiction. I am not joking.

Sorry, your opinions aren't facts and carry very little weight with me. But then again, my opinion isn't important either. lol

[sapator]

Funny.
Even if Trump and Musk start putting out files, even if major conviction made (I'm not saying they will be but it's a scenario). Even if Zuk said to our faces that they where forced to remove anything bad related to fakeccine.
Niya is expecting the impossible. To teach an old dog new tricks. I've been a while here so I won't even bother and not that it makes any difference now since, Wokers are woking away.

...5

[FunkyDexter]

I mean if you're a leftist, be a leftist even when it's hard and if you're a conservative then be a conservative even when it's hard.

Yes he bans people for saying things he doesn't like

And if you're a free speech absolutist, be a free speech absolutist even when it's hard. There's no room in absolutism for "sometimes I disagree". Don't give Musk a by just because the people he's banning are the ones you want banned. Doing that would be hypocrisy.

Of course, I've never claimed to be a free speech absolutist because it's a bloody stupid position to anyone that cares to examine it for more than a second.




And on the same basis...

All in all you got to give credit to a free internet.

You don't get to claim a free internet because it's not you that's are being coerced.

I'm all in for free speech and apparently Musk also, so, even is Zucky is forced

Do you see the contradiction?

[sapator]

Strangely enough I have never seen the same behavior (not talking about you in particular Funky) when the ban was on the other side of the fence.
It was all good and normal then.
The EU was fine with the antiwoke bans and now it's not fine with the woke bans (if there are, have not checked , not using social media). Since I hate EU (the new EU) and what it represents with every bone in my body,
may I take a guess and say, Wokers goona woke?

[PlausiblyDamp]

Strangely enough I have never seen the same behavior (not talking about you in particular Funky) when the ban was on the other side of the fence.
It was all good and normal then.
The EU was fine with the antiwoke bans and now it's not fine with the woke bans (if there are, have not checked , not using social media). Since I hate EU (the new EU) and what it represents with every bone in my body,
may I take a guess and say, Wokers goona woke?

I personally would say there is a big difference in allowing free speech (that you may consider woke) like "asylum seekers have legal rights" and "asylum seekers are filthy animals and I am happy they are dying at sea, their children would just steal our benefits and deserve to die".

[FunkyDexter]

I have never seen the same behavior (not talking about you in particular Funky) when the ban was on the other side of the fence.
It was all good and normal then.

That's because the other side of the fence aren't shouting about free speech. The other side of the fence recognise that unfettered free speech is actually highly destructive. They don't object because they don't find curtailing free speech objectionable when that speech is used to defame, spread hate and/or spread dangerous disinformation.

[sapator]

So I wasn't clear.
The fence was not free speeching, was just expesing certain view. As a viable example would be per Zucky , opinions against vaccine .
Free speech was not shouted it was our current example.

Yoh, in 2 post I see hate, filthy animals, dying at sea, children would just steal,destructive, dangerous disinformation

I'll more and more glad for the current turnout of events.
I think there was something seriously wrong for all these years. And on top of that you don't seem to understand it (plural) , so. Good , we are on a good road to freedom.

[PlausiblyDamp]

So I wasn't clear.
The fence was not free speeching, was just expesing certain view. As a viable example would be per Zucky , opinions against vaccine .
Free speech was not shouted it was our current example.

Yoh, in 2 post I see hate, filthy animals, dying at sea, children would just steal,destructive, dangerous disinformation

I'll more and more glad for the current turnout of events.
I think there was something seriously wrong for all these years. And on top of that you don't seem to understand it (plural) , so. Good , we are on a good road to freedom.

So are you deliberately misunderstanding my post or missing the point? I was most definitely not expressing an opinion regarding asylum seekers, however the phrasings used in my second example (and in fact considerably worse) are most definitely the kind of thing I have seen on Twitter. "Free speech" that spreads hatred, disinformation, and stirs up violence probably does deserve to be censored.

[sapator]

I deliberately nothing.
You keep bumping to every Woke thing to justify your posts.
There is no Twitter only Zool...Err sorry, I meant apparently you see what you want to see. I'll admit I haven't been on social but on fakevid - lock your daughters era there was more than disinformation that was getting down. You choose not to see that , that is your problem and it's fine just don't try to convince us on Woke agendas because they are over. Keep screaming on the keyboard waving you hands up and down and jumping (I'll admit that was inspired by your avatar, seemed as a funny scene, hopefully I won't be marked as a racist for cruelty to animals but from what we've been going on here, I don't doubt it). It's over. Actually it's not over it's just starting so again and again and again, keep em cumming they bounce like a rubber ball on the moon.

P.S. I'm not trying to insult you, I think you and some others are "trapped" to this but it also seems impossible to "wake you up", or , you know, maybe we are wrong but it's patriots turn so as per leftish era, wrong is right, now? Non?

[Niya]

Don't give Musk a by just because the people he's banning are the ones you want banned.

Quote me where I said this.

[FunkyDexter]

I'm saying you give Musk a by on his hypocrisy around Free Speech Abolitionism. In other words, you haven't condemned his hypocrisy on free speech. I'm a talented guy (handsome too) but even I will struggle to quote the condemnation you haven't made.

I went further to point out that his declared absolutionist position (and your own if I remember the Musk Buys Twitter thread right - can't be bothered to go back and check right now) does not leave room for mealy mouthed language like "sometimes I disagree with him".

Given his shadow banning of people who disagreed with him over H1B visas, or more recently his removal of check marks for people who criticised him for faking his Diablo prowess, are you ready to condemn him as a lying, hypocritic cry baby yet? Or are you going to give his hypocrisy on free speech absolutionism a by?

I think you and some others are "trapped" to this but it also seems impossible to "wake you up"

Thus spake every cult member who ever spake.

[Shaggy Hiker]

So I wasn't clear.
The fence was not free speeching, was just expesing certain view. As a viable example would be per Zucky , opinions against vaccine .
Free speech was not shouted it was our current example.

Yoh, in 2 post I see hate, filthy animals, dying at sea, children would just steal,destructive, dangerous disinformation

Could you restate that? I've read it several times and can't figure out what you are talking about. Were you on a phone?

[wes4dbt]

I'm a talented guy (handsome too)

Your avatar clearly verifies that.

Thus spake every cult member who ever spake.

Well spake, your Lordship. lol

[Shaggy Hiker]

He faked Diablo prowess????

That's low!

[wes4dbt]

He faked Diablo prowess????

That's low!

You lost me. My guess is that's a reference to the Diablo video game, which I know nothing about.

[jpbro]

You lost me. My guess is that's a reference to the Diablo video game, which I know nothing about.

It's video game stuff, yes. He was recently exposed as a probable fraud in a different video game (Path of Exile, short form PoE), but since then there's been a microscope on his other video game "achievements", including Diablo.

[wes4dbt]

Another four years of Trump fleecing America.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vmym2jvy9o

[FunkyDexter]

Your avatar clearly verifies that.

It's all about the furry face, baby.

You lost me.

He paid to have other people play the game to get characters to advanced levels and have all the best gear. Then he streamed himself playing and passed those characters off as his own. It was pretty obvious what he was doing because he didn't know how to do some of the most basic things in the game, indicating he'd barely actually played it.

Honestly, it's a pretty silly and trivial thing to have a scandal about and I honestly couldn't care if he pays someone to boost a game for him - he's got the money and if he wants to play an advanced character, why the hell not? It's a pretty big deal in the gaming community but, personally... meh. But the fact that he'd previously boasted about how "leet" a player he was and he was streaming explicitly to demo his skills just showed him as dishonest and more than a little hubristic to think it wouldn't be obvious. Then when gamers took to Twitter to call him out their account started getting banned on unspecified T And C violations and they started getting their check marks removed - that's where the hypocrisy about free speech absolutism comes in.

I think the rows around his support of H1B visas is far more important as it actually deals with politics and the economic future of the USA. I agree with him 100% on the visas - they will be good for America and good for the people who avail themselves of them. I suspect his motivations, as a potential employer of those individuals, are somewhat more self centred but I'll still call it a good thing if the outcome is positive.

Of course, I also believe that the USA will (and already does) benefit massively from low skilled immigration too and, if Trump does follow through on his rhetoric to deport them all, the impact on the US economy is going to be disastrous. There is a world wide demographic decline going on at the moment and the Nations that will have healthy economies in 20 years time will be the ones that succeed in attracting migrants today. Nativism will simply accelerate the collapse.

But whether I agree with him or not, the fact that he started banning and removing check marks from MAGA influencers who objected to his position speaks volumes about his lack of integrity.

Path of Exile

I was trying desperately to remember the name of that but, not having played it, I was drawing a complete blank. Good call.

[sapator]

Trump inauguration.
So no more guessing, let's see the actions.

[wes4dbt]

Honestly, it's a pretty silly and trivial thing to have a scandal about and I honestly couldn't care if he pays someone to boost a game for him - he's got the money and if he wants to play an advanced character, why the hell not? It's a pretty big deal in the gaming community but, personally... meh.

I've never understood why people spend their time on social media getting involve in things like this. There seem to be a lot of time spent hunting for things to be outraged about. There are plenty of significant things to be upset about but Musk's gaming ability or who Taylor Swift is dating isn't important.

Though if these things are their major problems in life, I envy them. lol

[wes4dbt]

Of course, I also believe that the USA will (and already does) benefit massively from low skilled immigration too and, if Trump does follow through on his rhetoric to deport them all, the impact on the US economy is going to be disastrous. There is a world wide demographic decline going on at the moment and the Nations that will have healthy economies in 20 years time will be the ones that succeed in attracting migrants today. Nativism will simply accelerate the collapse.

Immigrants have played a major role in the CA workforce for as long as I can remember. If Trump deportation are as massive as he promised, who will be doing these jobs?

I do think there is an immigration problem due to the major problems in Central America but a blanket deportation isn't the solution. It will cause bigger problems than it is suppose to solve.

[dilettante]

The Executive was illegally run by a Politburo for the past 4 years:

[TysonLPrice]

I've never understood why people spend their time on social media getting involve in things like this. There seem to be a lot of time spent hunting for things to be outraged about. There are plenty of significant things to be upset about but Musk's gaming ability or who Taylor Swift is dating isn't important.

Though if these things are their major problems in life, I envy them. lol

Yet here you are posting

Part of it is like driving with the radio on, just background music. Life is pretty complicated...spending some mindless time on the "latest" as a diversion is "therapeutic".

[wes4dbt]

Yet here you are posting

Part of it is like driving with the radio on, just background music. Life is pretty complicated...spending some mindless time on the "latest" as a diversion is "therapeutic".

You missed my point. My point was the importance that is placed on things like Musk's gaming skills, being outrage over such things. They should leave yelling at people to get off my lawn to us old retired geezers with nothing better to do.

I'm all for diversions.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm opposed to diversions...unless they are screened. Unscreened diversions kill a whole lot of fish when they are migrating.

Screen your diversions, folks.

[sapator]

So from what I'm getting. Some legislations are.
1)Drill for oil in Antarctica by removing Bidens legislation that prevented it.
2)Illegal migration
3)No money to the outside world for 90 days
4)Freedom of speech to social with the government to investigate previous behaviors
5) Tik tok must find a buyer in US withing 75 days or close
6)No remote work
7)No 3rd sex
8)Drug cartels are noted as terrorist organizations

Non checked.
9)Rename the gulf of Mexico to gulf of America
10)Take back Panama tolls

[FunkyDexter]

11)Pardoning Neo Nazi Insurrectionists
12)Roman Salutes at the Inauguration
...

[sapator]

Ye those too.

I hope he does not pardon his entire family and Fauci tho.

[FunkyDexter]

13)Foreign Oligarchs seated with higher priority than elected representatives
...

[TysonLPrice]

It was a cold day in Washington...

[TysonLPrice]

11)Pardoning Neo Nazi Insurrectionists
12)Roman Salutes at the Inauguration
...

"The federal government will not recognize automatic birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens born in the United States. We are also going to enhance vetting and screening of illegal aliens," said a Trump official in a briefing on Monday.

President Trump is making good on his pre-election pledge to withdraw from the World Health Organization. In one of many orders issued after his inauguration, he announced the start of the process for terminating U.S. membership in the U.N. agency that oversees global health issues.

[sapator]

So far so good.
I'm mean he is doing what he said he would do for now.

[PlausiblyDamp]

11)Pardoning Neo Nazi Insurrectionists
12)Roman Salutes at the Inauguration
...

Not surprised at the pardons, but I would never have guessed at "Roman Salutes" - certainly making their attitudes clear there.

[sapator]

Funny when someone shows another the sky and is looking at the finger pointing.
But...You'll get over it (plural), pat pat (pat in the back).

[wes4dbt]

Funny when someone shows another the sky and is looking at the finger pointing.
But...You'll get over it (plural), pat pat (pat in the back).

It's also funny how you were so outraged about the Neo Nazi in Ukraine but haven't complained about Trump releasing Neo Nazi's from prison. A lot of funny things going on.

Curious why your patting yourself on the back. What did you do??

[wes4dbt]

I'd say the happiest people about Trump being president are the media and the lawyers. There will be shortage of news and outrage with Trump as president. The lawsuits over the things he does have already begun and I'm fairly sure he will keep the lawyers and courts very busy.

If it's like last time he was president, it'll be another four years of chaos which is good news for the media.

[sapator]

I haven't paid attention about the Neo Nazi's .
Are we talking about this?
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-j...af85ac7b969606
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ws-2025-01-20/
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/20/g-s1-...january-6-riot
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...-6-defendants/
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/21/p...y-6/index.html

Where does it say that they are neo NAzi's? There is nothing mentioned.
Or people rushing forward to condemn Musk as Nazi although the Anti Defamation League state it was not (irrelevant to the forum posts).


Also I've seen the gesture. The poor guy is giving his hurt out but the Wokers rushed to Nazify him.
Yep, all is Nazi's they rule US now...

So as a the calm your next door Democrat program states, I'm start to giving pats so hopefully you get over that a patriotic government won. Here wes, pat pat, be strong and have patience , it will be over in 4 years.

[sapator]

LOL

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/188113...f86ceafceb1%2F