Post election prediction

[wes4dbt]

You have a simple choice. You can be bitter and let your hostility fester, hating yourself your neighbor and country

You must be talking to the person in the mirror. Your still are spreading lies about the 2020 election.

[Shaggy Hiker]

or you can walk into the light and enjoy the gradual return to normalcy. Reagan-Clintonism is over, just like Thatcher-Blairism. The Uniparty has been knocked back on its globalist heels.

Without getting into the absurdity, I wish you'd do this yourself. When you make a statement like this, you sound like you have a vision. I've always wanted to hear what it was that you saw. You've only said what you don't want, and it appears to be everything. There is a way that Reagan and Clinton were kind of similar, but mostly they were not. When you take away somewhat right and somewhat left....what remains? DDay (where IS that guy?) is Libertarian, I'm Liberal with old fashioned type of fiscal conservative, Niya is conservative, Sapator is a wonderful lunatic, but what ARE you?

Bashing is easier than building.

[Niya]

Niya is conservative

I'm willing to accept that label since it most closely aligns with my values but I am actually not a conservative. For example, I have no hard stance one way or the other on abortion while true conservatives are staunchly pro-life. Also, while I prefer the value systems of classical Abrahamic religions over the grotesque religion of the left, I am no Bible-thumper. I'm somewhere between an atheist and an agnostic. These things disqualify me from being considered a true conservative and when it comes to technological advancement I am aggressively progressive. AI, fusion, colonizing Mars, mining asteroids, I say bring it on.

[FunkyDexter]

true conservatives are staunchly pro-life

I think that's incorrect outside of the USA. Over here almost nobody is against abortion, at least in the first 2 trimesters (there's discussion around late stage abortions but the prevailing opinion on both the right and left is that it may be a necessary procedure for the health of the mother. You wouldn't find much support for it being a purely discretionary procedure on either side. Beyond that the difference is largely in the nuance). There's also no real pushback against issues like Gay Marriage and it was actually a Tory government that legalised it (David Cameron). There's nothing "conservative" about resistance to those things.

I think it's got tied up with conservatism in the USA mainly due to the entanglement of religion with the right.

[wes4dbt]

I think it's got tied up with conservatism in the USA mainly due to the entanglement of religion with the right.

That's a very valid observation. There are plenty of conservatives that are not pro life. But because of the power religion has gained in the Republican party, it's political suicide not to act pro life.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm willing to accept that label since it most closely aligns with my values

Nobody can be all that well defined by a single word...well, now that I think about it, I DO know a few people who can be pretty thoroughly defined by a single word, but not THAT single word.

A 1D axis of political views is really easy to get our heads around, but is also really wrong. I've seen a 2D space for political views, and that's a bit better, though still incomplete. I think that a series of 2D spaces, perhaps one for social issues, one for economics, and so forth, would be more representative...but rather hopeless for conveying information.

[wes4dbt]

Nobody can be all that well defined by a single word...well, now that I think about it, I DO know a few people who can be pretty thoroughly defined by a single word, but not THAT single word.

I'm pretty easily defined in one word. "omnipotent"

But I'm sure that's been obvious to everyone.

[TysonLPrice]

I'm pretty easily defined in one word. "omnipotent"

But I'm sure that's been obvious to everyone.

As I am omniscient I knew that. Also being omnipresent I knew that before you posted. And being omnibenevolent I'll overlook your vanity.

[Niya]

I think that's incorrect outside of the USA. Over here almost nobody is against abortion, at least in the first 2 trimesters (there's discussion around late stage abortions but the prevailing opinion on both the right and left is that it may be a necessary procedure for the health of the mother. You wouldn't find much support for it being a purely discretionary procedure on either side. Beyond that the difference is largely in the nuance). There's also no real pushback against issues like Gay Marriage and it was actually a Tory government that legalised it (David Cameron). There's nothing "conservative" about resistance to those things.

I think it's got tied up with conservatism in the USA mainly due to the entanglement of religion with the right.

I agree. Whenever use the term "conservative" I am referring to it in the American sense since it's a concept that largely doesn't exist where I'm from. Where I am from a conservative would just be a normal person though there is not complete overlap between American conservatism and similar values systems that exist outside of the USA.

[dilettante]

Even the UK is waking up. 2024 destroyed the loony left.

Triggernometry End of Year Review 2024 with Andrew Doyle and Leo Kearse

[gaouser]

And as somebody in Turkey, I think our economy will go the bad way as dollar will likely become 60 liras

[wes4dbt]

The Supreme Court didn't postpone Trumps sentencing. Good for them. The sentencing will be inconsequential to Trump but I'm glad they did the right thing.

It bothers me that the four justices that voted against the sentencing didn't even bother to give a reason. I would have like to hear how they justified voting to postpone.

[sapator]

Like "Biden pardon his son, we pardon Trump" reason?
Did Biden did the right thing also?
I would be guessing he would have done the left thing.

10...

[sapator]

US aviation giant Boeing has told BBC News it is donating $1m (£812,600) to an inauguration fund for President-elect Donald Trump.
Google has also confirmed that it has made a similar donation as the two firms join a growing list of major American companies contributing to the fund.
The list also includes oil producer Chevron and technology giants Meta, Amazon and Uber.

"Google is pleased to support the 2025 inauguration, with a livestream on YouTube and a direct link on our homepage," said Karan Bhatia, Google's global head of government affairs and public policy. !!!!
Oh how times have changed. Only some wokers left behind jumping up and down pulling their hair out screaming like Karen's. Good good.

[sapator]

"We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like "weird" "
Love and kisses - Facebook.

Mark is clearly crapping his pants to the new era.

[FunkyDexter]

Like "Biden pardon his son, we pardon Trump" reason?

I don't believe the Supreme Court has the power to issue pardons. Presidents do. Personally I think that's ass backward but, none the less, that's what applies.

Further, I think the case being sentenced was state level so even a Presidential pardon wouldn't apply (they can only be applied to federal crimes).

[sapator]

Ye not sure either.

I was not following closely tho not sure what happened after this:

"Hunter Biden has been found guilty on all three charges in his federal gun trial, becoming the first son of a sitting US president to be criminally convicted."

Biden said "I will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as Hunter considers an appeal."
Was there a pardon after a conviction, where we waited a conviction? Not sure.

[wes4dbt]

The sentencing (or lack of) is confusing to me. The judge and others keep siting the immunity the Supreme court recently granted the presidental position. But if I'm not mistaken hush money happened while he was running for the presidency in 2016. So I don't see how the Supreme Court ruling applies. And, if it does apply, how could the conviction stand.

[wes4dbt]

I don't believe the Supreme Court has the power to issue pardons. Presidents do. Personally I think that's ass backward but, none the less, that's what applies.

Further, I think the case being sentenced was state level so even a Presidential pardon wouldn't apply (they can only be applied to federal crimes).

I've always felt the Supreme Court function was being the last line of defense for protecting constitutional law. I'd like to see it limited to those issues.

I definitely would like to see term limits.

[sapator]

Not interested to start something that I knew the truth ( ) back then but it's news as we go along to the new world. So it's worth noting.
Just remember this guy is Woker by heart , it's not Musk or sap or any other patriot.

"Zuckerberg says Biden administration pushed Meta ‘super hard' to take down vaccine content"

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/busi...ntent/3643035/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e-effects.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ip/ar-BB1rfjm6
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/27/b...021/index.html

...9

Have a great weekend and God bless America.

[wes4dbt]

US aviation giant Boeing has told BBC News it is donating $1m (£812,600) to an inauguration fund for President-elect Donald Trump.
Google has also confirmed that it has made a similar donation as the two firms join a growing list of major American companies contributing to the fund.
The list also includes oil producer Chevron and technology giants Meta, Amazon and Uber.

"Google is pleased to support the 2025 inauguration, with a livestream on YouTube and a direct link on our homepage," said Karan Bhatia, Google's global head of government affairs and public policy. !!!!
Oh how times have changed. Only some wokers left behind jumping up and down pulling their hair out screaming like Karen's. Good good.

Yeah, there has been a lot of ring kissing of the soon to be president and wannabe dictator. Musk has shown how profitable that can be. It's no secret Trumps friendship is for sale.

It's a business decision, not a cultural change.

[FunkyDexter]

If this were happening under a Democrat you would definitely be hearing cries of influence peddling...

[wes4dbt]

If this were happening under a Democrat you would definitely be hearing cries of influence peddling...

I think the only reason you don't hear the Dems talking about that is it's already so well known. If you point it out people would just go,

Well Duh!!

It's also been well know from long before he ran for president that he was "open for business". He often sold his name to so called property developers. They'd pay him so they could say the homes/condos any various other things were "Trump" properties. Some people made the mistake of prepaying for their condo and then they were never built.

[Niya]

"We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like "weird" "
Love and kisses - Facebook.

Mark is clearly crapping his pants to the new era.

I've been following this thing with Mark. I have 2 thoughts about this. One, he perhaps was always a free speech guy but lacked the courage of figures like Jordan Peterson so when speaking up was hard he chose the coward's way and submitted to the left. Now that Americans have shown where they really stand by electing Trump, he feels safe to be himself.

My second thought was that perhaps he is just a weasel with no spine that goes along with whatever he feels the majority wants.

To be honest, I wished he stayed as he was because I could at least respect him for standing for what he believed in, even if it was total insanity. Him changing sides makes me like him even less now because he should have done it when it really mattered. I have zero respect for wishy-washy people like that.

[Niya]

Oh I had a 3rd thought about Mark. Perhaps he is like Ana Kasparian and has been slowly waking up. It would be nice if this were the case but I think I'll stick with my first thought, that he is spineless.

[sapator]

I have another opinion.
Zucky was among many that censorship news about fakevid and fakeccines as he clearly states now.So back then, he got filed a lawsuit from the institution that was bound to reveal those fact and was constantly censored (true or false we are not looking at this now) and that happened to have had Kennedy as president. As it turns out Kennedy will have a key position to the new government and I don't think he will let Zue get away so easily so he is currently crapping his pants right now.
But it's not long now to see what will happen.
7...(or 11)

[FunkyDexter]

Or Zuckerberg is bowing to the threats that Trump made toward him. And even Trump knows that.

[sapator]

All in all you got to give credit to a free internet. Of course we would start again with the restriction etc but as I've said years ago I'm all in for free speech and apparently Musk also, so, even is Zucky is forced one way or another that is a good thing. Isn't it?

[PlausiblyDamp]

All in all you got to give credit to a free internet. Of course we would start again with the restriction etc but as I've said years ago I'm all in for free speech and apparently Musk also, so, even is Zucky is forced one way or another that is a good thing. Isn't it?

Musk is very big on Musk having free speech, less so on people who disagree with him having any though.

[FunkyDexter]

and apparently Musk also

Yeah, he's totally pro free speech as long as you advocate for H1B visas. Oppose those and he bans you. Because "American jobs for American people"... as long as they're crappy jobs.

To be clear, you are not getting a free internet and the fact that Trump has been able to threaten Facebook into toeing his line should disturb anyone.

I posted a while back that Trump was not a fascist on the basis that he wasn't centralising power and wasn't a military expansionist. Given that he's now taking pride in threatening companies into following his whim and that he's threatening military force against allied sovereign states because he wants their resources, those two exceptions no longer apply and he now meets the literal dictionary definition for fascism.

[TysonLPrice]

Yeah, he's totally pro free speech as long as you advocate for H1B visas. Oppose those and he bans you. Because "American jobs for American people"... as long as they're crappy jobs.

To be clear, you are not getting a free internet and the fact that Trump has been able to threaten Facebook into toeing his line should disturb anyone.

I posted a while back that Trump was not a fascist on the basis that he wasn't centralising power and wasn't a military expansionist. Given that he's now taking pride in threatening companies into following his whim and that he's threatening military force against allied sovereign states because he wants their resources, those two exceptions no longer apply and he now meets the literal dictionary definition for fascism.

A Washington Post cartoonist recently resigned because Bezos didn't like the truth. The billionaire's bowing to Trump (including him):

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/04/nx-s1...washingtonpost

[sapator]

Accounts of patriotic parties that where blocked are now available and a lot of Greek users are noticing a sense of freedom.
Also EU dogs are screaming NOT to allow free speech on the platform and that is a violation...Of free speech.
It hurts I know.

[Niya]

Or Zuckerberg is bowing to the threats that Trump made toward him. And even Trump knows that.

And that's the point, he bows to threats. He bows when Trump threatens and he bows when the Democrats threaten. He is spineless. I mean if you're a leftist, be a leftist even when it's hard and if you're a conservative then be a conservative even when it's hard. Cowardice is even worse than being on the opposite side of cultural or political line.

[wes4dbt]

I'm all in for free speech and apparently Musk also

In a make believe world maybe but in the real world that's far from true. Musk is constantly banning people that say things he don't like.

[sapator]

Well, I'm still pro free speech.
I could say that you can't make a wokelate without braking some wokes but, too soon?

[Niya]

In a make believe world maybe but in the real world that's far from true. Musk is constantly banning people that say things he don't like.

You probably don't use Twitter so you don't know but I use it extensively and I am telling you, Musk did what he said he would do. Twitter was extremely restrictive in what you were allowed to post there before Musk took over. Now, you really have to go out of your way to get a suspension on Twitter. So don't believe the hype.

Yes he bans people for saying things he doesn't like and many times even I don't agree but I can never forget how much worse it used to be before Musk. I really cannot stress enough how bad it was. It was very draconian. There was almost nothing you could say on old Twitter and not get suspended. Now, there are just a couple of things you can't say. As users we get a far better deal from Musk than from the old regime.

[wes4dbt]

There was almost nothing you could say on old Twitter and not get suspended.

I don't believe that, considering the millions of people that were using it on a daily basis. So there was a lot being said without being banned.

It sounds to me like you like what's allowed now and what's not allowed isn't a major issue to you. Musk's censorship is more palatable to you.

[wes4dbt]

And that's the point, he bows to threats. He bows when Trump threatens and he bows when the Democrats threaten. He is spineless. I mean if you're a leftist, be a leftist even when it's hard and if you're a conservative then be a conservative even when it's hard. Cowardice is even worse than being on the opposite side of cultural or political line.

I think your expecting the impossible. People in these positions aren't there because of their political beliefs, they're businessmen. They make business decisions. They may try to frame it as a social decision so they are viewed more favorably. Musk did a good job of that a few years ago when he switched to the Republican party. But truth was the Dem's policies were starting to cost him money so he switched. He loved being a democrat when they were giving Tesla and the people buying them all kinds of tax breaks.

[Niya]

I don't believe that, considering the millions of people that were using it on a daily basis. So there was a lot being said without being banned.

It sounds to me like you like what's allowed now and what's not allowed isn't a major issue to you. Musk's censorship is more palatable to you.

I started on Twitter around the time when the Musk takeover was looming, I spend more time on that site than any other except YouTube and I have 15,200+ posts there, a little less than twice the amount I have here, so why do you think you know more than I do about what goes on over there?

[Niya]

I think your expecting the impossible. People in these positions aren't there because of their political beliefs, they're businessmen.

In most cases I'd agree with you but not this one. The old regime on Twitter went way too far and they had to be stopped regardless of the financial consequences. There are some things that are more important than money. Mark Zuckerberg would have done the same thing if he wasn't so spineless.