Post election prediction

[Niya]

I'm not that seasoned. I never seem to have enough thyme.

You just can't help yourself can you.

They can, though. The thing that war is showing is that what was conventional warfare in the last decade is no longer conventional warfare.

I would agree that if it was a matter of the fight ending once the last person was killed on one side or the other, then Ukraine must lose. That's not how wars end, though. Russia has lost wars before due to economic or morale collapse, even when they still had plenty of manpower. They have also persevered in the past after taking horrific losses.

This war will end when one side loses the will to keep fighting. That will be partly, but only partly, due to losses on the battlefield.

It seems I need to clarify exactly what I mean by win. Victory in the context of my previous post would be the ability to completely exhaust any fighting capability of your opponent. People actually believe Ukraine can do that to Russia without the aid of other nations.

[sapator]

And if beggars where chooser horses could fly. (edit: that is not directed to the post above)

President Donald Honest. Trump announced Saudi Arabia's $600-billion commitment to invest in the United States

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...m-saudi-arabia
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-shee...-saudi-arabia/

Is that good bad or ugly?

[wes4dbt]

Victory in the context of my previous post would be the ability to completely exhaust any fighting capability of your opponent. People actually believe Ukraine can do that to Russia without the aid of other nations.

[QUOTE]If that isn't proof of the immense hypnotic power of corporate media, I don't know what is.[QUOTE]

I'm sure you can find some people that believes that but it not a prevailing view here the US. It's certainly not a view that has any major push by the Dem's, Rep's or the media here. Perhaps this "immense hypnotic power" can control our thoughts without saying a word. They just have to think it.

That must be what your talking about.

[TysonLPrice]

This is really the most likely. Though he might try some of those others, I don't see any possibility of success.

When asked about a third term he actually used that method as an example.

I'm not worried about a third term. My guess is there wouldn't be enough support if he tried. Besides that's a long way off and the current chaos is enough to deal with.

Umm...Trump very rarely tells the truth

[abhijit]

Over the past 20 years, media bias has destroyed journalistic integrity, favoring influence over impartial reporting.
Fact-driven journalism must be restored to rebuild public trust and prevent manipulation.

It is a battle for the eyeballs.

[TysonLPrice]

Over the past 20 years, media bias has destroyed journalistic integrity, favoring influence over impartial reporting.
Fact-driven journalism must be restored to rebuild public trust and prevent manipulation.

It is a battle for the eyeballs.

"journalistic integrity" is alive and well. You have to consider the source just like always. Whether it was news papers, radio, TV, cable , or the internet you have to use your intellect and discernment. Basically consider the source. It has not changed in that sense. The people that don't have that skill, fall for the online click bytes you mention.

[wes4dbt]

"journalistic integrity" is alive and well. You have to consider the source just like always. Whether it was news papers, radio, TV, cable , or the internet you have to use your intellect and discernment. Basically consider the source. It has not changed in that sense. The people that don't have that skill, fall for the online click bytes you mention.

I basically agree. News media being used as a tool to manipulate people isn't new. And there are still quality news sources available. What I think has changed is the number of junk sources and the reach those sources can have. All you need is a laptop and an internet connection and you can reach most of the world. If they choose to listen. All you need is a phone to reach those who choose to use social media as a news source.

[sapator]

Germany’s Merz vows to build Europe’s strongest army

https://www.politico.eu/article/frie...entional-army/

So can I swear on the neo Nazis now or the post will be deleted as well?

Anyhow, that, at least will bring me Funky and plu to a brotherhood. The other countries will accept surrender or get pommel withing a month. US will come late as usual.

At least as a bonus all traitors would be executed as a martial law will come in place so , MR Prime traitor that you also support this , beware.

[FunkyDexter]

Sounds insane to me. He's putting a lot of energy into this term

He's loudly declared he's going to do it. The schtick where you say Trump won't do the illegal/immoral think he says he's going to do and then crow when he goes ahead and actually does it is getting weak.

People actually believe that Ukraine can beat Russia in head to head conventional warfare. If that isn't proof of the immense hypnotic power of corporate media, I don't know what is.

Depends what yardstick you set. If you're looking for either side to make the territorial gains they want then neither will "win" because neither has the capacity to do so. Ukraine does not have the wherewithal to evict Russia from all Ukrainian territory but Russia neither does Russia have the wherewithal to make any significant advancements on what they've made already. Indeed, by that yardstick, Russia lost within a week of launching their offensive.

But the mistake there is to look at this as a territorial war of manoeuvre. It hasn't been that for two years. This is a static war of attrition similar to WW1 and Ukraine is currently winning that hands down. The casualty rates being inflicted on Russia dwarf those being experienced by Ukraine and it's economy is in tatters, particularly following the recent collapse in global fuel prices. In WW1 nothing changed for 4 years then everything changed in weeks. If this runs to a conclusion rather than becoming a frozen conflict, you will likely see a similar play out.

Arguing that Ukraine couldn't win without support seems fatuous since Ukraine does enjoy the support of it's allies. And so does Russia, though far less. Indeed Russia has already had to engage the actual soldiers of it's allies, having already burned through it's own stocks of young men, while Ukraine has yet to implement full conscription (though it has engaged replacement level conscription).

So by any mutually applied yardstick, Russia is getting it's arse kicked.

[abhijit]

"journalistic integrity" is alive and well. You have to consider the source just like always. Whether it was news papers, radio, TV, cable , or the internet you have to use your intellect and discernment. Basically consider the source. It has not changed in that sense. The people that don't have that skill, fall for the online click bytes you mention.

"journalistic integrity," is a mythical creature.

[abhijit]

I basically agree. News media being used as a tool to manipulate people isn't new. And there are still quality news sources available. What I think has changed is the number of junk sources and the reach those sources can have. All you need is a laptop and an internet connection and you can reach most of the world. If they choose to listen. All you need is a phone to reach those who choose to use social media as a news source.

I agree a 100%

[Niya]

Over the past 20 years, media bias has destroyed journalistic integrity, favoring influence over impartial reporting.
Fact-driven journalism must be restored to rebuild public trust and prevent manipulation.

It is a battle for the eyeballs.

I used to think the same thing, but lately, I've been of the mind that perhaps it never existed. You see, the only reason we know that journalistic integrity is dead is because of social media and camera phones. In ancient times, we didn't have these things. We depended on corporate media to tell us everything, so how could we possibly know if they were lying and propagandizing us back then?

[sapator]

When Germany forms the neo Nazi army and Europe falls down and give brouklentar jabs (regulate this ) to Russia to help, will Woke leader countries ally with Germany (we are one of them also, by lead of course but he will be strudeld (regulate this) )?

Edit: Teams is so bad that a donkey tried to take a brik , he saw it and moved further.

[dilettante]

It'll be interesting to see what comes of the FBI's new push to examine social media posts for death threats made against Trump.

The deranged have themselves so tightly wound up in their reality-distortion field that they seem to have no trouble embracing a culture of assassination. Perhaps a few public convictions for such terrorism might help break the fever.

[wes4dbt]

It'll be interesting to see what comes of the FBI's new push to examine social media posts for death threats made against Trump.

The deranged have themselves so tightly wound up in their reality-distortion field that they seem to have no trouble embracing a culture of assassination. Perhaps a few public convictions for such terrorism might help break the fever.

It took a social media death threat against Trump to get you interested? You didn't notice all the other death threats against politician, judges, election workers ...... that have become more and more frequent over the last decade.

Welcome to the party.

[TysonLPrice]

"journalistic integrity," is a mythical creature.

Adorable take. Let the grown-ups talk about "journalistic integrity". It is obvious you do not know where it is and I guess you do not how to find it .

[TysonLPrice]

It'll be interesting to see what comes of the FBI's new push to examine social media posts for death threats made against Trump.

The deranged have themselves so tightly wound up in their reality-distortion field that they seem to have no trouble embracing a culture of assassination. Perhaps a few public convictions for such terrorism might help break the fever.

I'm curious, honestly asking, do you really believe this stuff you post or are you just having fun posting it?

[Niya]

It'll be interesting to see what comes of the FBI's new push to examine social media posts for death threats made against Trump.

The deranged have themselves so tightly wound up in their reality-distortion field that they seem to have no trouble embracing a culture of assassination. Perhaps a few public convictions for such terrorism might help break the fever.

This isn't what it seems. Just as virtue signalling is a sport on the left, calling for the assassination of Trump is now just another category in that sport. It's just another pretense they use to score points with each other. Most of these leftists won't do a damn thing. All they do is talk **** on TikTok. The real problem is the people who take these fools seriously and try to act on it. However, I believe they are in a minority. If they weren't, there would have already been a dozen assassination attempts on Trump instead of just two.

I'm curious, honestly asking, do you really believe this stuff you post or are you just having fun posting it?

What are you even talking about? Do you know how many leftists on TikTok are calling for the assassination of Trump? I've seen dozens upon dozens of them since Kamala's campaign began right up to the present. This was and perhaps still is a very popular TikTok trend among ultra left wing influencers. Hell, right now on X there is a big conversation about it, something about the number 89 or something.

[wes4dbt]

Hell, right now on X there is a big conversation about it, something about the number 89 or something.

It was actually "86". This is what the fake outrage is all about. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...0.cms?from=mdr

It's a term I've heard many times in regards to banning someone from a restaurant, store, club or bar..... I've never heard it used as a death threat but I never hang out with murders so maybe they use it.

It just political nonsense being played. Like I said before, outrage is all the rage now a days. lol

[Niya]

It was actually "86". This is what the fake outrage is all about. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...0.cms?from=mdr

It's a term I've heard many times in regards to banning someone from a restaurant, store, club or bar..... I've never heard it used as a death threat but I never hang out with murders so maybe they use it.

It just political nonsense being played. Like I said before, outrage is all the rage now a days. lol

Ah I see. Well, X is on fire right now with this conversation. It's like the Elon Nazi salute nonsense all over again. Every other post on X is talking about it. I'm not really following what it is about as I quickly lost interest when I read it had something to do with calling for Trump's assassination. It seems like every other day some crazy leftist is calling for his assassination, so I'm quite desensitized to it. It's just boring now.

I do think that the authorities should be paying attention to it though, as some idiot might try to act on it. Social media has always been a great place to recruit broken people into doing heinous things on behalf of misguided causes.

Like I said before, outrage is all the rage now a days. lol

Very true. However, this has been the case since Trump first won in 2016. The world went crazy and outrage because a bonafide business since then. One of the things I can't wait to see is what will happen when Trump finally exists the political arena. I would really love to see where that excess energy is going to go because I really doubt the world can go back to the way it was. The media will have to manufacture a new super villain to keep the grift going.

[TysonLPrice]

What are you even talking about? Do you know how many leftists on TikTok are calling for the assassination of Trump? I've seen dozens upon dozens of them since Kamala's campaign began right up to the present. This was and perhaps still is a very popular TikTok trend among ultra left wing influencers. Hell, right now on X there is a big conversation about it, something about the number 89 or something.

I was speaking about his videos in general, not that one specifically. But that doesn't matter, they are all the same theme and from extremists. Dil is such a good coder it is hard for me to believe he believes the stuff he posts.

[TysonLPrice]

Ah I see. Well, X is on fire right now with this conversation. It's like the Elon Nazi salute nonsense all over again. Every other post on X is talking about it. I'm not really following what it is about as I quickly lost interest when I read it had something to do with calling for Trump's assassination. It seems like every other day some crazy leftist is calling for his assassination, so I'm quite desensitized to it. It's just boring now.

I do think that the authorities should be paying attention to it though, as some idiot might try to act on it. Social media has always been a great place to recruit broken people into doing heinous things on behalf of misguided causes.



Very true. However, this has been the case since Trump first won in 2016. The world went crazy and outrage because a bonafide business since then. One of the things I can't wait to see is what will happen when Trump finally exists the political arena. I would really love to see where that excess energy is going to go because I really doubt the world can go back to the way it was. The media will have to manufacture a new super villain to keep the grift going.

I agree the political world in the US has changed and there is no going back because of Trump. And to me it turned for the worse. It is the same old dirty politics, just right out in the open and in your face. Outright lying is now acceptable. Open hatred gets votes.

[dilettante]

It isn't easy being so ahead of our time.

[wes4dbt]

I agree the political world in the US has changed and there is no going back because of Trump. And to me it turned for the worse. It is the same old dirty politics, just right out in the open and in your face. Outright lying is now acceptable. Open hatred gets votes.

I'd say one thing you can count on is that things will change. Societal norms/values evolve, they don't stay stagnant. I don't know what form the changes will take, I just know they'll change over time.

I don't see any reason why those changes can't be less lying and hate. It our choice.

[TysonLPrice]

I'd say one thing you can count on is that things will change. Societal norms/values evolve, they don't stay stagnant. I don't know what form the changes will take, I just know they'll change over time.

I don't see any reason why those changes can't be less lying and hate. It our choice.

As much as I go on and on about Trump and republicans I'm actually optimistic about a shift in the other direction. I just think it will take well over a decade.

[PlausiblyDamp]

As much as I go on and on about Trump and republicans I'm actually optimistic about a shift in the other direction. I just think it will take well over a decade.

I think the two problems we have though are

1. A lot of people are happy to believe a lie that they agree with than an uncomfortable truth, promise people what they want and they will like you; if you fail to deliver then lie about the cause of the failure. Just look at how Brexit was handled in our country - nearly everything about it was a lie (from the number of immigrants, the money saved for our NHS, the promises of no extra bureaucracy, the idea that the EU needs us more than we need them, something something sovereign country something mumble blue passports mutter mutter etc.)

2. Hate and victimisation of minorities support my first point.

The (delete as applicable - economy / health service / crime statistics / benefit fraud / cost of living) isn't doing badly because of (delete as applicable - poor management / government corruption / tax avoidance by rich people and corporations / increased numbers of people and children living in poverty / lack of training and education opportunities) it is because of (delete as applicable - Transexuals / immigrants - or at least the non-white ones / refugees / benefit cheats / homosexuals / tolerance to minorities / vaccines / neurodiversity). It is easier to point peoples attention and blame to "others" rather then the real issues. Politics of division benefits the people in charge at the expense of everyone.

At the risk of waving a target about... This is one of the major ways the Nazi party strengthened their power in 1940s Germany; prior to 1933 Germany had a very progressive LGBTQ scene (obviously that label wasn't applied then but it still applies) and the word homosexual was first used in Germany around this time.

The Nazi party started targeting this community using often unsubstantiated arguments such as "criminal activity", "asocial behaviour", or the typical conflation of homosexuality and child abuse and used it to justify draconian measures against homosexuals. Major Nazi party members, such as Himmler, describes them in terms of conspiracy against the state, enemies of the state, and even shirking their duty to repopulate. Far easier to attack "other" people than face the problems in society

Similarly the Nazi prosecution of Jewish people was a way of blaming a particular group of "other" people - often using untrue claims that it was their fault Germany lost WW1 as a justification. Far easier to blame somebody else, that face the truth about losing....

Hate makes it easier to do extreme things; you want to deport people without due process to a concentration camp - then you just need to use terms like "illegal immigrant", "criminal gang member", or "photo shopped evidence of tattoos" and bingo! You can do it! You want to be able to only employ straight, white, cis-gendered people to positions of power (even if they are unqualified) then you just need to cast suspicion that anyone "non-white" or "non-heterosexual" has been hired purely to make up numbers (even if they are obviously capable and qualified) and bingo! You can fire them and replace them with unqualified people!

Get enough people onboard with hate and people will actually start claiming they don't mind if someone is a dictator, or corrupt, or a racist, or a liar, or a sex offender, or an adulterer - because at least they are doing something about those "others" we don't like.

People prefer a comfortable lie, to an uncomfortable truth.

[TysonLPrice]

I think the two problems we have though are

1. A lot of people are happy to believe a lie that they agree with than an uncomfortable truth, promise people what they want and they will like you; if you fail to deliver then lie about the cause of the failure. Just look at how Brexit was handled in our country - nearly everything about it was a lie (from the number of immigrants, the money saved for our NHS, the promises of no extra bureaucracy, the idea that the EU needs us more than we need them, something something sovereign country something mumble blue passports mutter mutter etc.)

2. Hate and victimisation of minorities support my first point.

The (delete as applicable - economy / health service / crime statistics / benefit fraud / cost of living) isn't doing badly because of (delete as applicable - poor management / government corruption / tax avoidance by rich people and corporations / increased numbers of people and children living in poverty / lack of training and education opportunities) it is because of (delete as applicable - Transexuals / immigrants - or at least the non-white ones / refugees / benefit cheats / homosexuals / tolerance to minorities / vaccines / neurodiversity). It is easier to point peoples attention and blame to "others" rather then the real issues. Politics of division benefits the people in charge at the expense of everyone.

At the risk of waving a target about... This is one of the major ways the Nazi party strengthened their power in 1940s Germany; prior to 1933 Germany had a very progressive LGBTQ scene (obviously that label wasn't applied then but it still applies) and the word homosexual was first used in Germany around this time.

The Nazi party started targeting this community using often unsubstantiated arguments such as "criminal activity", "asocial behaviour", or the typical conflation of homosexuality and child abuse and used it to justify draconian measures against homosexuals. Major Nazi party members, such as Himmler, describes them in terms of conspiracy against the state, enemies of the state, and even shirking their duty to repopulate. Far easier to attack "other" people than face the problems in society

Similarly the Nazi prosecution of Jewish people was a way of blaming a particular group of "other" people - often using untrue claims that it was their fault Germany lost WW1 as a justification. Far easier to blame somebody else, that face the truth about losing....

Hate makes it easier to do extreme things; you want to deport people without due process to a concentration camp - then you just need to use terms like "illegal immigrant", "criminal gang member", or "photo shopped evidence of tattoos" and bingo! You can do it! You want to be able to only employ straight, white, cis-gendered people to positions of power (even if they are unqualified) then you just need to cast suspicion that anyone "non-white" or "non-heterosexual" has been hired purely to make up numbers (even if they are obviously capable and qualified) and bingo! You can fire them and replace them with unqualified people!

Get enough people onboard with hate and people will actually start claiming they don't mind if someone is a dictator, or corrupt, or a racist, or a liar, or a sex offender, or an adulterer - because at least they are doing something about those "others" we don't like.

People prefer a comfortable lie, to an uncomfortable truth.

Sadly...there is a lot of truth in that post

[dilettante]

I don't see any reason why those changes can't be less lying and hate.

Come on, that doesn't leave you anything left to say. The anti-Trump screeds above positively drip with hatred, lies, and bad will.

[wes4dbt]

Come on, that doesn't leave you anything left to say. The anti-Trump screeds above positively drip with hatred, lies, and bad will.

Which of my above posts "positively drip with hatred" towards Trump? Dislike, definitely. I think he is a morally bankrupt, self absorbed con man. But that's an opinion, not hatred. Unless you consider any negative opinion of Trump as hatred, I can only guess you just felt compelled to spout insults.