Post election prediction

[sapator]

I remember in a post in a galaxy far far away I've said I'm pro freedom of speech in everything , except pedophiles, that should be hanged of course.
And possibly animal lovers but that is a WOKE thing so I'm not sure, I might be insulting some psycho.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Yea sure. Thing is, I've seen this kind of disturbing thing on the left too often to the point I don't even care anymore if some are false flags. I see something like that, I'm running with it.

So would you also share and run with it if it was falsely claiming someone from the right was a paedophile?

[sapator]

Let's not go to this.
Also stop trying again and again to label people "sideways", it ain't working.

[FunkyDexter]

Also stop trying again and again to label people "sideways", it ain't working.

I mean, Niya was trying to label the left as paedophiles but, again, you didn't feel like that was worth calling out.

Yea sure. Thing is, I've seen this kind of disturbing thing on the left too often to the point I don't even care anymore if some are false flags. I see something like that, I'm running with it.

Or to put it another way, you don't want reality to get in the way of your fantasy.

[Niya]

So would you also share and run with it if it was falsely claiming someone from the right was a paedophile?

No. Just the left.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Let's not go to this.
Also stop trying again and again to label people "sideways", it ain't working.

How come it is only an issue when someone is accused of being on the "right", you never seem to have an issue if someone, including yourself, accuses someone of being "left"?

[Niya]

I mean, Niya was trying to label the left as paedophiles but, again, you didn't feel like that was worth calling out.

I said no such thing. I just shared something I found on social media that was shared by someone else. It's really up to you how you want to interpret it. You called it out as a false flag and I say fair enough.

[FunkyDexter]

So who were you trying to imply were paedophiles? See if you can narrow it down for me in a way that doesn't look like you trying to demonise some group or another and which answers why you felt this thread was an appropriate place to post it.

[sapator]

It has nothing to do with left and right. Can we stop this, please?

[Niya]

How come it is only an issue when someone is accused of being on the "right", you never seem to have an issue if someone, including yourself, accuses someone of being "left"?

Oh the far right is just as bad but I won't waste my time because everyone already knows the far right is evil and it's mostly still in the fringes where it belongs. However, the far left is just as evil but it they are better at dressing up it as virtue in my opinion. This is why I have an issue with the left.

BTW when I say far right, I don't mean Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan etc. They are centrists as far as I'm concerned. I mean David Duke, Andrew Anglin etc. They guys are absolutely disgusting and I despise them just as much as any leftist.

[Shaggy Hiker]

You've set yourself up for a quip, but I'll pass on it.

I don't have a problem with that. I've always felt that the far left and the far right have nearly met. It's more of a horseshoe than a straight line, with the tips being closer to each other than to the middle. I don't agree with where you think the center is, but that's fine.

[Niya]

So who were you trying to imply were paedophiles? See if you can narrow it down for me in a way that doesn't look like you trying to demonise some group or another and which answers why you felt this thread was an appropriate place to post it.

The term "minor attracted person" is a thing that came out of the left and there is a small element within the wider progressive movement that seeks to normalize it by taking advantage of the left's desire to present themselves as virtuous. This isn't to say that all of the left are pedophiles. It's to say that the left is ripe for infiltration by them which is already under way.

They cannot infiltrate the right or the center with these ideas as they will get rejected right away. However, the moral relativism of the left makes the left a welcoming home for a lot of, shall we say, distasteful ideas.

[Shaggy Hiker]

The term "minor attracted person" is a thing that came out of the left and there is a small element within the wider progressive movement that seeks to normalize it by taking advantage of the left's desire to present themselves as virtuous. This isn't to say that all of the left are pedophiles. It's to say that the left is ripe for infiltration by them which is already under way.

I don't think it came out of the left. The first I heard about it was in Florida, though I don't know where the group they were talking about was located. It sounded like Florida.

The right is far more easily ripe for infiltration in that regard, especially the religious right. They have a tendency towards top down authoritarianism and protecting the 'leaders'. Sex scandals, especially child sex scandals, in right wing institutions are so common as to be nearly expected. It's hard to find such an institution that doesn't have a few. If you get to more fundamentalist groups, it's sometimes part of doctrine, such as the Mormon fundamentalists found in parts of the west (both US and Canada).

[FunkyDexter]

None of which answered the question of who you were trying to demonise as paedophiles but hey ho.

The term "minor attracted person" is a thing that came out of the left

Nope, it came from online paedophile groups who were trying to legitimise themselves and the Left has pushed back on it just as hard as you or anyone else. In particular the LGBTQ community pushed back when they tried to add it to their acronym. It has been adopted by some elements of academia in an attempt to acknowledge that treatment rather than punishment may be a better course to preventing it but never in an attempt to approve of the behaviour. The vast majority of the left and the LGBTQ community disagrees with even that acknowledgement though.

Of course, if you hadn't got yourself into a position where you believe that anything that disagrees with your prejudices should be ignored you could have looked this up.

[PlausiblyDamp]

It has nothing to do with left and right. Can we stop this, please?

How can you claim this had nothing to do with left or right when the original post had the following content

Context: In the wake of Donald Trump's victory a lot of very prominent leftists promoted BlueSky as a Twitter alternative, as in their view Twitter has become a right wing hellhole since Elon Musks's takeover. BlueSky is basically the left's version of Truth Social, a haven for the the far left.

I have added the emphasis but left and right were mentioned multiple times.

[Niya]

Left has pushed back on it just as hard as you or anyone else.

Yea, I don't buy this at all but I'm not going to get into all that. That's another deep rabbit hole that will lead to more endless arguments. Let's just agree to disagree on this.

In particular the LGBTQ community pushed back when they tried to add it to their acronym.

This is only thing I agree with you on concerning this topic.

It has been adopted by some elements of academia in an attempt to acknowledge that treatment rather than punishment may be a better course to preventing it but never in an attempt to approve of the behaviour. The vast majority of the left and the LGBTQ community disagrees with even that acknowledgement though.

I'm not sure I buy this either. There are many reasons why but I don't think it would be fruitful to get into that either.

Of course, if you hadn't got yourself into a position where you believe that anything that disagrees with your prejudices should be ignored you could have looked this up.

I can live with that and I'm fine with getting things wrong here and there but I will NEVER accept the far left until they reject and expunge their extremist elements.

[dilettante]

Over a billion dollars to Africa... while hurricane victims have been left homeless, relying on volunteers for what little assistance they can get. Many victims politically discriminated against by the corrupt Biden-Harris regime.

Blanket pardons by Lying Joe for his criminal son. And what exactly was anonymously pardoned that occurred 11 years ago? Could it be... influence peddling?

How much more damage can this cretin and his masters do before they take the keys away? Begin WW III?

Biden and Starmer have a "special" relationship. Special as in "short bus." At least Biden has dementia to blame.

[Niya]

I don't think it came out of the left. The first I heard about it was in Florida, though I don't know where the group they were talking about was located. It sounded like Florida.

The right is far more easily ripe for infiltration in that regard, especially the religious right. They have a tendency towards top down authoritarianism and protecting the 'leaders'. Sex scandals, especially child sex scandals, in right wing institutions are so common as to be nearly expected. It's hard to find such an institution that doesn't have a few. If you get to more fundamentalist groups, it's sometimes part of doctrine, such as the Mormon fundamentalists found in parts of the west (both US and Canada).

All I'll say about this is that outside of the scandals and the true far right David Duke Neo Nazi stuff, the your so called right, which I see as just normal, is the acceptable standard for me. The things that the current left call normal I find abhorrent.

[dilettante]

"Meltdown videos" are still quite popular.

Even in Canada:

[Niya]

"Meltdown videos" are still quite popular.

I enjoy these a great deal.

[Niya]

Here's something non-political to break the tension.

[sapator]

I'm sure a leftish will find something racist about it.

[wes4dbt]

Of course, if you hadn't got yourself into a position where you believe that anything that disagrees with your prejudices should be ignored you could have looked this up.

That's the position you end up at when your only goal is to prove your monster is real. It's not about finding the truth, it's about justifying your delusion.

The right is far more easily ripe for infiltration in that regard, especially the religious right. They have a tendency towards top down authoritarianism and protecting the 'leaders'. Sex scandals, especially child sex scandals, in right wing institutions are so common as to be nearly expected. It's hard to find such an institution that doesn't have a few. If you get to more fundamentalist groups, it's sometimes part of doctrine, such as the Mormon fundamentalists found in parts of the west (both US and Canada).

That's a very true observation, let's not forget about the Boy Scouts(though their not far right). Though, I don't think pedophilia has anything to do with right/left.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I was thinking of the Boy Scouts, but also a large number of religious organizations. For some reason, whenever you get a patriarchal groups with a 'protect the leaders' ethos, you always seem to end up with sex abuse.

[wes4dbt]

I was thinking of the Boy Scouts, but also a large number of religious organizations. For some reason, whenever you get a patriarchal groups with a 'protect the leaders' ethos, you always seem to end up with sex abuse.

Maybe it's because sex abuse can't continue long term without that type of environment. So these are the groups the predators gravitate to.

[sapator]

France down.
Mega WOKEr Macron is probably going bye bye.

[Shaggy Hiker]

No, Macron is not the PM. The government fell, which means the PM had to resign, but Macron is the president, and will not be up for election for a while, yet. And at that time, he probably will lose. It's not just that he's unpopular, but the French change their president with every election.

[FunkyDexter]

It's Barnier (a conservative - centre right) who has been forced to step down via a vote of Non Confidence. Macron is being put under pressure to resign, though.

From what I can gather the pressure, both on Barnier and Macron, is mostly coming from the Far Right under LePenn. She is being investigated embezzling public funds and if she is found guilty she will be ineligible for public office 4 years. Her followers are hoping they can force Macron out and trigger a new Presidential contest (which she has a a not insignificant chance of winning) before that happens. From what I can gather she probably wouldn't win (she not first in the polls) but I said that about Trump so reach your own conclusions.

I don't think Macron can be forced to resign as no mechanism exists but public pressure could be enough.

^That's just stuff I could glean from some quick searches and what I've seen on the news so I can't speak to it's accuracy.

[sapator]

Tho to many coincident after Trump election.
France down, Germany down,ex Greek Prime minister in the party of prime minister resigns, Romania down, Biden frogging for ww3 (well the Biden puppeteers), Russia and China collaborate of war treaty, invasion on Syria by terrorists (where is NATO here? But I know they are not terrorist they are "liberators", that happen to hunt down orthodox) .

A month to go,non?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Before what? You seem to be thinking that these threads point to something. Unless it's total autocratic tyranny by a handful of robber barons, I'm not sure what you are seeing.

[sapator]

Before what?

That is good as you don't seem to care and you take it easy. So I will not spoil or remind what will happen in a little more than a month.
Have a great weekend and God bless America.

[FunkyDexter]

where is NATO here?

Syria's not a member of NATO so NATO can have no involvement. It's possible various members of NATO could intervene on an individual basis but not under the auspices NATO.

Further, NATO members aren't typically supportive of the Assad regime due to it's frequent human rights violations and the fact that it's basically a Russian puppet. On the whole they're not big fans of the rebels either who sprung out of Isis among other groups - they've tried to distance themselves since but there are a lot of suspicions that that's largely a fig leaf. So, given that they don't much like either side, why do you think they would get involved?

I can perhaps see Turkey getting involved as they're more directly affected on their Southern border although I don't know on which side. They sure don't like Assad but Kurdish rebels are one of the main constituents of the current rebel group and Turkey's got it's own problems with them.

[sapator]

Syria's not a member of NATO so NATO can have no involvement.

Really? So Yugoslavia was a member of NATO? Afghanistan was a member of NATO?Kuwait was a member of NATO?Iraq was a member of NATO?Ukraine was a member of NATO? Cyprus was a member of NATO? Oh that's right, it was US that are NATO that did nothing when Turkey invaded but actually supported it on the background.
The luck of not understanding how NATO acts and calling it a peace organization separate us miles and miles away so whatever I say and whatever you say will not come to a mutual join (inner left or union ) .
So I just have to repeat and be on my way,
Have a great weekend and God bless America. And if Trump demolish NATO I will be extremely happy.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Really? So Yugoslavia was a member of NATO? Afghanistan was a member of NATO?Kuwait was a member of NATO?Iraq was a member of NATO?Ukraine was a member of NATO? Cyprus was a member of NATO? Oh that's right, it was US that are NATO that did nothing when Turkey invaded but actually supported it on the background.
The luck of not understanding how NATO acts and calling it a peace organization separate us miles and miles away so whatever I say and whatever you say will not come to a mutual join (inner left or union ) .
So I just have to repeat and be on my way,
Have a great weekend and God bless America. And if Trump demolish NATO I will be extremely happy.

Just because a member of NATO is at war with a country doesn't mean NATO is. This is a pretty fundamental thing. Being a member of NATO does mean NATO is to blame for what you do.

[wes4dbt]

That is good as you don't seem to care and you take it easy. So I will not spoil or remind what will happen in a little more than a month.
Have a great weekend and God bless America.

It wont spoil my day so go ahead. Tell us what is going to happen when Trump takes office. You keep saying "it's over", what's over????

[wes4dbt]

Before what? You seem to be thinking that these threads point to something. Unless it's total autocratic tyranny by a handful of robber barons, I'm not sure what you are seeing.

I am starting to worry about what these people Trump is appointing are going to do. I especially don't like Mush being so deeply involved. Johnson is talking about wanting to cut 75% of government agencies. Not that I'm against cutting waste but this sounds more like a way to deregulate corporate America.

https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2659519.html

Deregulation sound like a good thing but corporate America has shown over and over again that without oversight they exploit the people and planet. I still remember the financial crisis of 2008 and more recently the Boeing 737 Max disasters. But those just a couple that come to mind, there is a long history of exploitation.

Several of the other picks worry me just because they have no qualification for the job. The Rfk Jr. appointment and many others.

So far it's all just talk but I'm glad I live in Ca.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I am starting to worry about what these people Trump is appointing are going to do. I especially don't like Mush being so deeply involved.

I'm grabbing that quote just to preserve it.

What's going to happen in a bit over a month? Well, it might be total pandemonium. If not, then it will at least be partial pandemonium. Those who expect to see a dumpster fire...well, they might get it. But those who believe they know what will happen are going to have to change their expectations after the fact to be whatever does happen, or else they'll be confused/disappointed.

[TysonLPrice]

I'm grabbing that quote just to preserve it.

What's going to happen in a bit over a month? Well, it might be total pandemonium. If not, then it will at least be partial pandemonium. Those who expect to see a dumpster fire...well, they might get it. But those who believe they know what will happen are going to have to change their expectations after the fact to be whatever does happen, or else they'll be confused/disappointed.

All I can say is...buckle up

[wes4dbt]

I'm just in standby mode. lol

For some reason I believe even if it turns into a dumpster fire the American people will clean it up and move in a better direction. Especially if it hits them in the wallet.

[TysonLPrice]

I'm just in standby mode. lol

For some reason I believe even if it turns into a dumpster fire the American people will clean it up and move in a better direction. Especially if it hits them in the wallet.

Part of any direction is who do we want in charge...people who want to govern or people who want to rule.