Post election prediction

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump has stated that he's considering shipping US citizens off to foreign prisons. At what point do you not just get on the cattle car?

[TysonLPrice]

Trump has stated that he's considering shipping US citizens off to foreign prisons. At what point do you not just get on the cattle car?

I'm not ready to moove in that direction yet. Ill steer clear of it for now. But just to milk the puns I'll say I won't be corralled one way or the other. If you have a beef with that then I'll steak my reputation you miss the point.

[FunkyDexter]

It's such inhumane position to take. The lack of consideration of the peoples lives this effects is disgraceful. They've already admitted it was wrong, what's the point.

The point is intimidation. If anyone can be renditioned without legal cause and with no hope of redress, who the hell is going to criticise Trump?

Our home office has already issued a travel advisory for the USA. In particular - don't go there if you're LGBTQ. I never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

Democrat voters call for violence

GOP voters spent the last 8 years doing that... and following through.

[FunkyDexter]

I'm not ready to moove in that direction yet. Ill steer clear of it for now. But just to milk the puns I'll say I won't be corralled one way or the other. If you have a beef with that then I'll steak my reputation you miss the point.

I hope the weather's good over there because it's Friesian here. I had to put on a Jersey.

(It's actually a lovely day but a bit of dishonesty was worth it for the pun)

[Shaggy Hiker]

I hope the weather's good over there because it's Friesian here.

You're sounding a little horse, there.

[FunkyDexter]

Yeah, and it triggers the arthritis in my leg. Oooh my "po' knee".

[wes4dbt]

The point is intimidation. If anyone can be renditioned without legal cause and with no hope of redress, who the hell is going to criticise Trump?

They definitely have the attitude that they should be able to do what ever they want, if they call it "For the good of our country". That excuse and "In the name of God" has been the two leading justifications for inhumane acts for thousands of years. Though their actual reasons are usually quite different.

[Niya]

Democrat voters call for violence

Oh their hatred runs deeper than simple wanton violence:-
Warning: The rhetoric on display in this image, although anti-right in nature, is extremely hateful and may be intolerably offensive to some. Proceed at your own risk.
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2025/04/2.jpeg

I wonder where we heard this kind of rhetoric before. Hmmm......

[wes4dbt]

Oh their hatred runs deeper than simple wanton violence:-

How do you know it was posted by a Democrat? How do you even know it was posted by a human?

It's not representative of Democrats or Republicans. Did you think it was? Or you think people don't know there is a lunatic fringe or mental illness. Maybe you don't think people know that there is hate speech on social media.

If not, then why did you post it.

[Niya]

It's not representative of Democrats or Republicans.

Are you being serious? This is a serious question. Who else on God's green Earth would even think to post something like that?

Also, if I were inclined to waste countless hours I could sit here all day and flood this thread with an endless array of pictures, posts, and videos of progressives and Democrats saying equally despicable things and many of them you will not doubt who they are because they will explicit tell you that they are liberals or Democrats. This kind of thing is extremely common on the left.

Naturally, I expect that you want to counter by saying "well Republicans and right-wingers do it too". Well, let me preempt this by telling you that I will not disagree with that, but I will instead point out that progressives sell themselves on the idea of them being people of tolerance, compassion, and champions of the downtrodden. If you're going to sell yourself as a saint, you will do yourself no favors by reciting rhetoric that evokes images of the barbarity committed by that famous moustached villain.

[wes4dbt]

Are you being serious? This is a serious question. Who else on God's green Earth would even think to post something like that?

That's easy. Anyone who wants to play to people like you. Or someone out of touch with reality.

This kind of thing is extremely common on the left.

You really don't have much first hand knowledge the American people do you? I've lived here over 71yrs and never heard anyone make such a statement. It's not a representative statement.

Naturally, I expect that you want to counter by saying "well Republicans and right-wingers do it too".

Wrong again. I just stated in my late post it's not representative of Democrats or Republicans.

In your case I'll put it terms of database programming. Garbage In = Garbage Out.

[TysonLPrice]

Oh their hatred runs deeper than simple wanton violence:-
Warning: The rhetoric on display in this image, although anti-right in nature, is extremely hateful and may be intolerably offensive to some. Proceed at your own risk.
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2025/04/2.jpeg

I wonder where we heard this kind of rhetoric before. Hmmm......

I forget...did I ever welcome you back from your ban

[Peter Porter]

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[Niya]

I've lived here over 71yrs and never heard anyone make such a statement.

Oh wow. I wish I had known this before, I wouldn't have bothered wasting my time arguing with you. We're way too far apart in age for us to ever be able to understand each other.

I'm not trying to be insulting so please don't take it that way. It's just that generational gaps that like this come with a communication barrier that is insurmountable. For example, there is no set of words I could ever choose to make my father's generation understand what my generation sees in rap music. Likewise, no set of words could ever make me understand how Gen Z could be so comfortable posting every mundane thing they do in their life on social media or why they love mumble rappers like NBA Youngboy. This is the natural progression of things.

I honestly thought we might have been closer in age. I've have tremendous respect for the elderly and the trials and tribulations they have survived and many of the things that they have seen. However, the truth is I live in a world that is incomprehensible to my father just as Gen Z lives in a world that is incomprehensible to me. I would never waste my time arguing with the elderly in the real world, so I shouldn't be doing it here. I should really be having these discussions with someone closer to my age.

Anyways, the elderly should be held in high regard regardless of whether anything they say makes a lick of sense to the younger generation. I apologize for this.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Oh wow. I wish I had known this before, I wouldn't have bothered wasting my time arguing with you. We're way too far apart in age for us to ever be able to understand each other.

I'm between the two of you in age, and I HAVE seen rhetoric like that on both sides...and regarding far less important things than politics, race, or religion, though it certainly exists for polarizing subjects as well. I would prefer that it not exist and that people not get so heated over these things, but they do. Also, when it comes to rhetoric, we do it quite casually.

One example was the Gabbie Giffords shooting. The Republicans had put out an add using a crosshairs on Democrats. They pulled that immediately following the shooting, but as it turns out, the shooting wasn't political. It was just a guy shooting up a place with a bunch of people, and she just happened to be there. The new American pastime, apparently. What it showed was that we use that rhetoric and symbiology casually, and seem shocked when somebody takes it literally, though in this case, it turned out they hadn't taken anything literally and may never have seen the ad.

A second example would be the Iranian, "death to America". It is my understanding that the phrase, "death to ...." is a casual curse of no great significance in that culture. It would kind of like me saying, "I hate beets." In fact, I don't HATE beets. I certainly don't spend any time stewing over the evil that beets bring to the world, I just choose to eat other things if I have any choice.

Most people have views that overlap enough that even someone who is fairly solidly right will have common cause on some issues with someone who is solidly left. We are making it increasingly hard to find that overlap, but that's largely because it's highly profitable to define an enemy and demonize them. People are making loads of money on the message, "THEY are out to get you." It has never been easier to do so than it is today.

Still, we should not forget that there are people who really do believe. That potential for violence really IS there. Right now, it's almost entirely on the right in the US, but it hasn't always been that way. A century ago, it was almost entirely on the left for some groups (politics and economic based), what would become the right for other groups (race based)...or the anarchistic center (politics based).

[wes4dbt]

Still, we should not forget that there are people who really do believe. That potential for violence really IS there. Right now, it's almost entirely on the right in the US, but it hasn't always been that way. A century ago, it was almost entirely on the left for some groups (politics and economic based), what would become the right for other groups (race based)...or the anarchistic center (politics based).

That's all true. The point I'm making is, though it exists it is not representative of the beliefs of the vast majority of Dems or Reps. Unfortunately, the fringe elements get a disproportionate amount of exposure in the media. Add that to the fact that the faceless, nameless and lack of accountability nature of social media provides a safe platform for people that like to spread views that wouldn't be acceptable in normal conversations, they tend to be prolific posters.

If you consider "X". Around 10% of the users provide 90+ % of the post. Less than 1/3 of the people here us X and the majority of their users are under 35. That creates an easy platform for a small group of people (small in the sense that there is 340million people here) to have a much larger presence.

[wes4dbt]

Oh wow. I wish I had known this before, I wouldn't have bothered wasting my time arguing with you. We're way too far apart in age for us to ever be able to understand each other.

I'm not trying to be insulting so please don't take it that way. It's just that generational gaps that like this come with a communication barrier that is insurmountable. For example, there is no set of words I could ever choose to make my father's generation understand what my generation sees in rap music. Likewise, no set of words could ever make me understand how Gen Z could be so comfortable posting every mundane thing they do in their life on social media or why they love mumble rappers like NBA Youngboy. This is the natural progression of things.

I honestly thought we might have been closer in age. I've have tremendous respect for the elderly and the trials and tribulations they have survived and many of the things that they have seen. However, the truth is I live in a world that is incomprehensible to my father just as Gen Z lives in a world that is incomprehensible to me. I would never waste my time arguing with the elderly in the real world, so I shouldn't be doing it here. I should really be having these discussions with someone closer to my age.

Anyways, the elderly should be held in high regard regardless of whether anything they say makes a lick of sense to the younger generation. I apologize for this.

That's funny.

[wes4dbt]

His followers clapped so hard when he made these promises,

“They’re dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying. And I’ll have that done — I’ll have that done in 24 hours.”

“That is a war that’s dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president,”

But now here we are and reality has to be faced. So, he is back to one of his more go to excuses in recent days,

“Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that,”

And now Rubio has to say,

"We are now reaching a point where we need to decide whether this is even possible or not," Rubio told reporters upon departure. "Because if it's not, then I think we're just going to move on."

I guess he was just being sarcastic when he made similar promises about the war in Gaza, lowering the cost of living, ..........

[dilettante]

So just how did the military-industrial complex drive useful idiots so far left?

Hmm...

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