Biden should go or stay???

[dday9]

Perhaps you could have just bought up his art work and had the same result?

Could you imagine that timeline where the Nazi's never came in power but produced a high profile anti-Semitic artist? It almost sounds like a Simpson's plot.

[FunkyDexter]

Picking up butts because I've come late to the thread:-

Why did you think that was necessary to say???

I think because it was all too predictable that some people would revel in Trump nearly dying. I'm not sure I'd have used the word evil and I'm not sure I'd have expected it from anyone on this forum but consider twitter. Hell, my Mum, who's as meek as they get, said "it's a shame he missed". I was not expecting that from her.

Trump took a fairly high road

From what I've seen, surprisingly, yeah. I do wish he hadn't shouted "Fight, Fight, Fight" along with his fist bump though. The fist bump I'll definitely give him given that he'd just survived a murder attempt.

I think this is first assassination attempt on a presidential candidate since Bobby Kennedy in 1968

Ronald Reagan. You guys actually get quite a lot of them.

I'm curious, would you say that if it was Putin?

I would. I could understand e.g. feelings of relief if it curtailed his current actions but if you felt pleasure at someone getting shot I think that would speak to some disturbing psychological issues. Same for Trump. I want him stopped but I'd take no pleasure in his death.

you will consistently hear the argument that it is perfectly OK to aggress against Nazis

Yep, dealt with that opinion a lot. I've held that opinion in my younger days. It really isn't healthy and leads to some dark places.

Unfortunately, we DO tend to say that political assassinations are OK

I do think there's a different flavour to domestic ones though. This speaks to something uniquely dark in US society at the moment.

So let's start the conspiracy theories:

There will be plenty. I've already come across one person touting that, as the shooter was a registered Republican and pretty much a post boy for the sort of person who supports Trump (which is admittedly pretty weird), it must be that he was a Trump plant, paid to shoot at him and miss because surviving this pretty much seals the election for him. Don't get me wrong, Trump will do a lot of under handed things to win an election but willingly getting shot at isn't among them.

Who's talking about a president assassination attempts 200 years ago?

I believe it was a reference to Tyson pushing back on OptionBase saying that people who took pleasure in the assassination attempt were evil. I think there was a whole lot of misconstruing going on. Nobody should be taking pleasure in it but that's a long way from calling for revenge assassinations.

A couple of points of my own:-
I suspect the motive that will eventually come out for this for this was to stop Trump's presidential run by any means necessary but that's based on the shootee rather than the shooter. Looking at the shooter, he's a model Trump fan and registered republican (though he had made a small donation of $15 to a progressive PAC). That does sow a seed of doubt and it's probably worth waiting a few days to see what the investigation finds out before assuming.

The rhetoric that lead to this has not been equal and nobody should try to "both sides" it. The rhetoric from the right has been far, far worse. After this attempt Biden immediately condemned the attack. After the attempt on Paul Pelosi's life Trump Jr posted in image of a pair of boxer shorts and a hammer and captioned it "Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume". Nobody should revel in this attempt on Trump's life but, if they do, it was the Maga movement that set the precedent.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Ronald Reagan. You guys actually get quite a lot of them.

Nope. I was going to say that, then I realized that the original statement might have been technically correct, as Reagan wasn't a candidate, he was president. One might also say Ford, but he was president at the time, too, even though I think the assassination attempt was while campaigning.

I think this will come down to: He was 20, an age when most guys are still willing to do stupid impulsive things, he just did it more so. Was it political motivation? Perhaps superficially, but it could be as shallow as, "his motorcade annoyed me." Views tend to be volatile at that age.

[wes4dbt]

Nope. I was going to say that, then I realized that the original statement might have been technically correct, as Reagan wasn't a candidate, he was president. One might also say Ford, but he was president at the time, too, even though I think the assassination attempt was while campaigning.

I had forgot about Ford. He might have been campaigning.

I think this will come down to: He was 20, an age when most guys are still willing to do stupid impulsive things, he just did it more so. Was it political motivation? Perhaps superficially, but it could be as shallow as, "his motorcade annoyed me." Views tend to be volatile at that age.

His mental conditions is an unknown so far. Perhaps because of his young age his mental problems hadn't been fully identified. Unless he has left some type of explanation it's just a guess.

[sapator]

I would say that his soul was Black as a Rock, wink wink, did you get it? Wink wink.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Oh yeah, you were saying that he was a soulless money manager.

[sapator]

I would say a certain commercial showing a certain person being in it was dropped. Wink **** wonk.

Also I just saw that on a Greek channel and here also:

Video shows shooter Thomas Crooks wasn't stopped for nearly two minutes before shooting

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-...rump/104096376

Was it incompetence or "negligence"? Wink **** Wenk Woonkk.

The first one I've seen the second one time may have or not been tampered so for now it's just what's online.

[sapator]

What the W-ank?

Since you are online I would like to withdraw the Landslide bet , it's clearly like stealing a church now.

[dday9]

lol it's a British slur. They've got some funny sounding ones.

[sapator]

I tried to w-ank , be a w-anker but the forum won't let me.

[Shaggy Hiker]

You really didn't know that one? I figured it would be better known over there than it is over here. You're closer.

[sapator]

I did know but then again the forum let some other strange words pass and anyhow I did not think as it went well with the flow...And I was referencing the mountain in Germany.
You as a fellow climber(allegedly as I don't climb at all) should be the first to know!

[FunkyDexter]

Reagan wasn't a candidate, he was president.

Good point. I missed that.

His mental conditions is an unknown so far.

From what I've heard(which is likely unreliable) he was fine with no prior red flags. He'd been badly bullied at school which may have played into in some way but, other than that, pretty unremarkable.

[TysonLPrice]

Good point. I missed that.

From what I've heard(which is likely unreliable) he was fine with no prior red flags. He'd been badly bullied at school which may have played into in some way but, other than that, pretty unremarkable.

Here is an article on him...nothing really jumps out to me.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o

[Shaggy Hiker]

I did know but then again the forum let some other strange words pass and anyhow I did not think as it went well with the flow...And I was referencing the mountain in Germany.
You as a fellow climber(allegedly as I don't climb at all) should be the first to know!

There's no way the forum would let me post the joke I have in reply to that, so I won't even try. I'm not really a climber, though. I'm mostly into distance.

[sapator]

I climb ladders at most...No actually I'm beside a hill in the center of Athens so I guess 500 meters up is my limit as for vacation it's zero meters( seaside).

[dday9]

There's parts of my property that is up to 4ft above sea level, so you can say I've got some pretty high property for where I live.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I think I lived at 7 ft when I was in the Florida Keys.

[sapator]

Ah you guys.
Am at 3rd floor in Athens and 1st floor in the sea side apartment so, I'm taller than you!

[sapator]

There is a constant pommeling on Biden it don't think he will run again. Probably close to a bye bye.

[FunkyDexter]

Yeah, I'll be surprised if he doesn't step down soon. At this point even Obama's saying he should step aside. That's a damn big coffin nail.

[sapator]

Yeah it's the I told you so , or as Shaggy says "blind squirrel" effect. I always find my...Nuts.

[wes4dbt]

Yeah it's the I told you so

Thought you hated to do that. lol

But I don't know what your trying to take credit for.

[sapator]

The blind squirrel award? Lol.

[wes4dbt]

The blind squirrel award? Lol.

You got my vote!!!

[Shaggy Hiker]

There is a constant pommeling on Biden it don't think he will run again. Probably close to a bye bye.

With the Olympics about to start, expect even more pommeling.

[Shaggy Hiker]

All y'all get this sorted out while I go dodge wildfires in the woods for a couple weeks. I expect it to be sorted by the time I get back. I don't want it to be sordid, mind you. I said "sorted", regardless of what Sapator reads.

[wes4dbt]

All y'all get this sorted out while I go dodge wildfires in the woods for a couple weeks. I expect it to be sorted by the time I get back. I don't want it to be sordid, mind you. I said "sorted", regardless of what Sapator reads.

Where you gonna be hiking?? Keep the injuries to a minimum, your not a young gun anymore. lol

[OptionBase1]

Breaking my earlier promise, but Biden just dropped out.

Holy crap, let the political "silly season" begin.

[sapator]

I told you so.
The blind squirrel award is mine all minneee!!!

[dday9]

Without invoking the 25th too, which I wouldn't put pass them at this point.

I am shocked but not surprised at the same time. Once Obama started pushing for him to drop, that was sort of the writing on the wall.

[wes4dbt]

Finally, about 2 years late but it's finally over. It's so late in the race I guess the Dem's will have to stick with Harris. Wish it could have been a more competitive process.

[OptionBase1]

Finally, about 2 years late but it's finally over. It's so late in the race I guess the Dem's will have to stick with Harris. Wish it could have been a more competitive process.

For a host of reasons, it "should" be Harris. But will it be? If the betting odds were 50/50 for Harris/The Field, I'd be tempted to bet The Field simply because we seem to be in the upsidedown.

[dday9]

I'm sooo excited that it seems like the presumptive nominee is going to be Harris. She did horrific in the primaries for a reason and as someone not rooting for the R's or the D's, if in fact she does run, it will be widely entertaining. I doubt that a Newsome or Whitmer will run. If you look at it from their perspective, the likelihood of winning this election is becoming increasingly small and if they did run but then lose they would set back their national ambitions at least 4 years.

The DNC have really painted themselves in a corner because RFK Jr. or Dean Phillips are the ones who should be nominated, but then they would be overstepping the first black/Indian woman which would turn off a huge portion of their base who have bought into the identity politics. On the flip side with the nomination of JD Vance as the VP, its very likely that Ohio will go from split R/D in the senate to having only D's. I think the strategy behind Vance is that he will help pull white male voters in swing states that Trump lost in 2020 at the expense of a weaker representation of Republicans in the senate.

This is shaping up to be the most hilarious election cycle of my lifetime and I remember the 2016 election when it was essentially two people with the absolute lowest approval ratings running against each other. The cherry on top would be a 269 split in November, if that happens I might just explode.

Edit - I should mention this because of some of the other posts, but the attempted assassination was not funny, that was scary. Everything else so far though has been funny.

[OptionBase1]

I'm sooo excited that it seems like the presumptive nominee is going to be Harris. She did horrific in the primaries for a reason and as someone not rooting for the R's or the D's, if in fact she does run, it will be widely entertaining. I doubt that a Newsome or Whitmer will run. If you look at it from their perspective, the likelihood of winning this election is becoming increasingly small and if they did run but then lose they would set back their national ambitions at least 4 years.

The DNC have really painted themselves in a corner because RFK Jr. or Dean Phillips are the ones who should be nominated, but then they would be overstepping the first black/Indian woman which would turn off a huge portion of their base who have bought into the identity politics. On the flip side with the nomination of JD Vance as the VP, its very likely that Ohio will go from split R/D in the senate to having only D's. I think the strategy behind Vance is that he will help pull white male voters in swing states that Trump lost in 2020 at the expense of a weaker representation of Republicans in the senate.

This is shaping up to be the most hilarious election cycle of my lifetime and I remember the 2016 election when it was essentially two people with the absolute lowest approval ratings running against each other. The cherry on top would be a 269 split in November, if that happens I might just explode.

It's got to be a 269-269 split where the Supreme Court is involved in the decision making, a la Florida 2000.

Clintons/Biden have endorsed Kamala. Obamas seem to want a "process" to decide who it is.

With all the happenings, I feel like some cable news anchor is going to experience death by political orgasm on the air some time before the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTY836hhY7o

[wes4dbt]

Trump really showing what a slimy person he is https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...183901032.html

Biden is out of the race and has to continue to name call and lie about him.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Trump really showing what a slimy person he is https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...183901032.html

Biden is out of the race and has to continue to name call and lie about him.

From my (non-USA location) the entire thrust of Trump's campaign so far seems to have focused on the previous election being stolen (it wasn't), and Biden is too old to server. Now that Biden is no longer his opponent the 3 years difference in his and Biden's age suddenly isn't the advantage; he is now the older, potentially mentally inform candidate. All he has left is his tendency to lie and attack.

[Steve R Jones]

Trump really showing what a slimy person he is https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...183901032.html

Biden is out of the race and has to continue to name call and lie about him.

In the picture it looks like his lips are moving.

[sapator]

What I wrote after the debate was that he made the mistake of doing it early on. That would give dems time to get another candidate and that is what they are doing. Everything else would be a complete disaster. I'm also glad to see most of the people here finally realizing that sleepy Jo was not up for it...Only took 2 years but still. I don't think there is a change of dems winning but Biden running was both hilarious and abnormal. I would prefer...Prefer, more like advise for Obama to run but realistically Skippy the wonder dog would be better than Biden.

[dday9]

but realistically Skippy the wonder dog.

I had to look that one up, I had no idea what you were talking about! Not only was that before my time, but that was before my dad's time too!