Biden should go or stay???

[wes4dbt]

Anyone pleased with Trump getting shot a few minutes ago is pure evil.

Why did you think that was necessary to say??? "pure evil" ???

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump took a fairly high road, as did Biden. The people around Trump...could hardly have gone lower, faster.

Here's the Wall Street Journal on it:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tru...R5zqztfamOxtGf

[wes4dbt]

That sure could have ended a lot worse for Trump, another inch might have been fatal. Unfortunately some of the crowd got hit, one has died.

I think this is first assassination attempt on a presidential candidate since Bobby Kennedy in 1968.

[wes4dbt]

Trump took a fairly high road, as did Biden. The people around Trump...could hardly have gone lower, faster.

I hit a paywall on the WSJ so I only read the first couple of paragraphs. Blaming the dem's doesn't surprise me, pretty sure if it happened to Biden, they would be blaming the rep's.

[TysonLPrice]

Anyone pleased with Trump getting shot a few minutes ago is pure evil.

I'm curious, would you say that if it was Putin?

[Thierry69]

In Belgium we have the comics XIII (from the great Rosinski & Van Hamme).
You can find it in english : https://www.canalbd.net/img/couvpage...9180399_cg.jpg

I suggest everyone to read it !

it makes some years that for me, in US, it is nearly exactly like in the comics !

[Thierry69]

In Belgium we have the comics XIII (from the great Rosinski & Van Hamme).
You can find it in english : https://www.canalbd.net/img/couvpage...9180399_cg.jpg

I suggest everyone to read it !

it makes some years that for me, in US, it is nearly exactly like in the comics !

[sapator]

It has multiple dimensions, covering gun control, school education, media hatred etc. I'm really sorry that those things are happening in non 3rd world countries, US and Europe. Anyone promoting assassination or trying to balance killings with showing another "hated" person as an example should be banned no questions asked. I could get in a conversation off killing a leader after a trial and if the country constitution support it but for now and since I'm starting my vacations soon I would like to be in a good mood so I won't go to details. I'm just really sorry for what happened and the impact of the face of US as we are waking up some memories here.

[TysonLPrice]

Anyone promoting assassination or trying to balance killings with showing another "hated" person as an example should be banned no questions asked.

What??? Are you jumping ahead in case someone does? Are you giving the moderators advice? I know I didn't try to "balance" anything. And...

There should always be room for open discussions of this type of event. For example if Hitler would have been assinated in 1939. Or were the generals wrong trying to assassinate him him in 1944. Should anyone discussing that be banned? If I discuss Julius Caesar should I be banned?

Your post, in my opinion, is just a knee jerk reaction wanting to ban a person for just broaching a poster with a question of when "evil" is the driving force of an event? And I believe it is more personal than relevant to my the post

[sapator]

Oh do shut up.

[TysonLPrice]

Oh do shut up.

That reminds me of post #37:

Do you really think you won that case? You set it up so no matter how cogent the answer might be you will call it "except of course the stubborn mules, to them if you say the sky is blue they will argue that it's green and they will keep that argument no matter what". You have excluded all other discussion points. I guess in that way you can "rest your case", you refuse to acknowledge any other opinions, except that they are unreasonable.

You don't discuss, you attack, and then "try" and shut down all discussion with what I guess is your final word.

[OptionBase1]

Edit to add:

General commentary not in response to any post or poster in this thread:

Anyone pleased with Trump getting shot a few minutes ago is pure evil.

Edit to add:

General commentary not in response to any post or poster in this thread:

And if you think that there should be retribution against the "other side" for this, then you are pure evil as well.

Don't let the poison of partisan politics rot your soul to the point of losing your basic senses of decency and humanity.

[Shaggy Hiker]

When you get right down to it, the US has used assassination as a tool, including Trump himself. We do tend to make a distinction between domestic and foreign, though I rather doubt that other countries take much comfort in that. Still, this is a very American thing to do, at the moment. The last time a president was shot, it wasn't political, it was about impressing an actress. The shooting of Gabby Giffords was more about obsession than politics. The shooting of Steve Scalise was political, as were various church shootings, but so many weren't about politics at all. The only common thread to it all is that the US has shootings, and lots of them. Shootings on the left, shootings on the right, shootings to quiet the voices, shootings for no known reason (Mandalay Bay).

[TysonLPrice]

[QUOTE=OptionBase1;5650053]If you think that there should be retribution against the "other side" for this, then you are pure evil.

Don't let the poison of partisan politics rot your soul to the point of losing your basic senses of decency and humanity.[*/QUOTE]

Did you just pull that out of a dark spot of your body? I never said, nor implied, anything of the sort. There seems to be an immediate stance from a couple posters here that anything less than 100% condemning that makes you evil or needing banned. There can be no discussion about it otherwise.

Right or wrong, and please stop putting words in my mouth, there are a lot of people in this country right now sorry he missed...

John Wilkes Booth was considered a hero by many.

For the record...I not condone that act of violence, or any other!

[OptionBase1]

[QUOTE=TysonLPrice;5650057]

If you think that there should be retribution against the "other side" for this, then you are pure evil.

Don't let the poison of partisan politics rot your soul to the point of losing your basic senses of decency and humanity.[*/QUOTE]

Did you just pull that out of a dark spot of your body? I never said, nor implied, anything of the sort. There seems to be an immediate stance from a couple posters here that anything less than 100% condemning that makes you evil or needing banned. There can be no discussion about it otherwise.

Right or wrong, and please stop putting words in my mouth, there are a lot of people in this country right now sorry he missed...

John Wilkes Booth was considered a hero by many.

For the record...I not condone that act of violence, or any other!

Please point out how or why you think what I posted had anything to do with you, towards you, or about you.

I was making a distinct and consistent contrast with my post yesterday. A garbage person would approve of what happened yesterday. A garbage person would approve of going after Dem's because of what happened yesterday.

A garbage person would be mad the guy missed. The fact that many people might think that way (but hopefully not that many) doesn't make them less garbage or less evil. Or maybe they aren't terrible people and are just blinded by political poison.

I avoid these threads like the plague usually, so back to that for me.

[TysonLPrice]

[QUOTE=OptionBase1;5650065]

Please point out how or why you think what I posted had anything to do with you, towards you, or about you.

I was making a distinct and consistent contrast with my post yesterday. A garbage person would approve of what happened yesterday. A garbage person would approve of going after Dem's because of what happened yesterday.

A garbage person would be mad the guy missed. The fact that many people might think that way (but hopefully not that many) doesn't make them less garbage or less evil. Or maybe they aren't terrible people and are just blinded by political poison.

I avoid these threads like the plague usually, so back to that for me.

My first thought is you should look into anger management. If you didn't mean me, you certainly turned it into that. I'm trying not to make this personal but it seems there are a couple here intent on that.

[OptionBase1]

[QUOTE=TysonLPrice;5650066]

My first thought is you should look into anger management. If you didn't mean me, you certainly turned it into that. I'm trying not to make this personal but it seems there are a couple here intent on that.

I don't get how what I posted turned into anything towards you, other than you interpreting it that way. I mean, yeah, you were the last person who posted before my post, but I can't control that.

I'm not trying to make anything personal. I'm not asking for anyone to be banned. I'm sharing my opinion in a public forum. My opinion might be a "hot take" to some. I don't care if anyone here reads it and hates me for it.

Edit:

I edited those other two posts in this thread to hopefully clear up that my earlier post this morning was simply a continuation of my post yesterday. And good luck thread, you won't see me in it again.

[TysonLPrice]

[QUOTE=OptionBase1;5650068]

I don't get how what I posted turned into anything towards you, other than you interpreting it that way. I mean, yeah, you were the last person who posted before my post, but I can't control that.

I'm not trying to make anything personal. I'm not asking for anyone to be banned. I'm sharing my opinion in a public forum. My opinion might be a "hot take" to some. I don't care if anyone here reads it and hates me for it.

Edit:

I edited those other two posts in this thread to hopefully clear up that my earlier post this morning was simply a continuation of my post yesterday. And good luck thread, you won't see me in it again.

You said "Anyone pleased with Trump getting shot a few minutes ago is pure evil."...I reacted, as being anyone, that being "evil" in that context is subjective. It spiraled out from there...

I believe I fall into the "anyone" category

[TysonLPrice]

But i heard later they asked Melania, "Other than that, how did you the rally?"...

[dday9]

I never said, nor implied, anything of the sort.

Like it or not, I thought you were implying that political assassinations are OK if it is against someone you believe is truly evil, which is an incredibly slippery slope. I don't question your ability to judge whether a comment like what you made could be interpreted to be perceived how it was. At best I think it was a poorly thought out troll and at worst down right malicious.

Go listen to some of the more radicals prior to this attempt and you will consistently hear the argument that it is perfectly OK to aggress against Nazis, the only logical steps that stem from this is that if you consistently paint "the other side" as fascist then there will be people who feel justified in taking acts of aggression.

My hope from this event is that rhetoric will be toned down and people will stop believing that this is the most important election of our lifetime (or the one before, or the one before that, or the one…). I don’t think it will thought, but maybe I have become too cynical.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Unfortunately, we DO tend to say that political assassinations are OK...so long as it targets non-US citizens. We've gotten a bit too lax about killing somebody if the President says to. Trump did it, Obama did it, W had wars to fight, so that was his cover. Killing an enemy in war is...just war. Both Trump and Obama killed people who were possibly doing something that was against the interests of the US and might kill US citizens.

I'd rather we were a bit more consistent with our morality.

[wes4dbt]

I'd rather we were a bit more consistent with our morality.

That's seems like a big ask. What's moral changes from person to person and over time. Nothing wrong with dreaming big.

I thought Ty brought up a good point with the Putin question. I'm against the death penalty but then again, it didn't bother me when they executed Ted Bundy. I wouldn't be happy if Putin was assassinated but I certainly wouldn't be sad. I'd probably tell myself they world is a better place without him. But, you never know if the replacement would be any better. Later I would probably think no one has the right to take some ones life. I'm all over the map on this subject.

I'm definitely not morally consistent.

[sapator]

So what exactly are we doing here?
If p.e. Biden is assassinated , per your answers it would it be OK for me to write here. Hooray!Biden is dead! I'm so glad, hope more evil people will be dead! Are you in your right minds?
Just because the dude wants Trump dead and then Putin dead (else it make no sense to ask a question on what would you say if Putin is dead) and then he renounce violence (sic), was that the correct way to defend him?
Tell stories about former president assassination attempts 200 years ago?.. Here ye here ye, our forefathers and compare legit executions to assassinations? What the heck dudes?

[TysonLPrice]

OptionBase1. My comments about being personal were generated around post #90 from my Greek friend.

[TysonLPrice]

So what exactly are we doing here?
If p.e. Biden is assassinated , per your answers it would it be OK for me to write here. Hooray!Biden is dead! I'm so glad, hope more evil people will be dead! Are you in your right minds?
Just because the dude wants Trump dead and then Putin dead (else it make no sense to ask a question on what would you say if Putin is dead) and then he renounce violence (sic), was that the correct way to defend him?
Tell stories about former president assassination attempts 200 years ago?.. Here ye here ye, our forefathers and compare legit executions to assassinations? What the heck dudes?

And if Biden was behind it he will have immunity, per the Supreme Court, if he words it right.

[TysonLPrice]

The Israeli government considers assassination a tool...

[sapator]

Those are whatever responses. Keep of rocking apparently you have also immunity here so more power to you.

[TysonLPrice]

Those are whatever responses. Keep of rocking apparently you have also immunity here so more power to you.

Poor puppy....are your feeling hurt

Have a cookie

[sapator]

I rest my case.

[sapator]

But seriously you wrote some real BS yesterday and the day before. You don't seem to realize that so there is no point for this to continue.

[TysonLPrice]

But seriously you wrote some real BS yesterday and the day before. You don't seem to realize that so there is no point for this to continue.

You should be the last person on this forum to call BS on someone. Most of the negativity you receive is in reaction to your BS...

[sapator]

I'm not sure I get negativity (except you) as most is in good fun but maybe, OK. But what happened had nothing to do with something I wrote, now you already got 3 people telling you that there are issues on what you wrote so maaaybe? Mayyybe get you head out of the ground for once. Or, most certainly no.
So if there is nothing more to say, I'll put my vacation mood on again.

[TysonLPrice]

I rest my case...

[dday9]

Unfortunately, we DO tend to say that political assassinations are OK...so long as it targets non-US citizens. We've gotten a bit too lax about killing somebody if the President says to. Trump did it, Obama did it, W had wars to fight, so that was his cover. Killing an enemy in war is...just war. Both Trump and Obama killed people who were possibly doing something that was against the interests of the US and might kill US citizens.

I'd rather we were a bit more consistent with our morality.

For what its worth, I don't actually agree with those assassinations either. Not just from a humanitarian level, but from a practical level too. I remember when Trump killed Soleimani that I was seriously concerned that would be the event to literally trigger a major conflict.

And if we are being honest, I don't think it can be as narrow as "non-US citizens" since most people are OK if they simply aren't on US soil. Obama droned bombed Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, both US citizens, and bragged about it. No trail, no sentence, just the push of a button. I don't know if many people know or care.

Assassinations rarely bring peace, but you know what almost always brings peace, free and open trade amongst peoples.

[sapator]

So let's start the conspiracy theories:

New video shows just how early on people spotted the Trump shooter and started alerting the police.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1812...f8ccf80cebb%2F

I don't have X so I can't view any replies there.

[Shaggy Hiker]

So what exactly are we doing here?
If p.e. Biden is assassinated , per your answers it would it be OK for me to write here. Hooray!Biden is dead! I'm so glad, hope more evil people will be dead! Are you in your right minds?
Just because the dude wants Trump dead and then Putin dead (else it make no sense to ask a question on what would you say if Putin is dead) and then he renounce violence (sic), was that the correct way to defend him?
Tell stories about former president assassination attempts 200 years ago?.. Here ye here ye, our forefathers and compare legit executions to assassinations? What the heck dudes?

What are you talking about? Who's talking about a president assassination attempts 200 years ago? Who's talking about legit executions? I guess I'm wondering who you are talking TO, not about, as I haven't necessarily read over every post in the thread. I've only talked about recent things, not going back as far as Kennedy, which I don't remember because I wasn't born. When I talk about presidents ordering assassinations, I was talking about the last few presidents using drone strikes to kill people outside of any war. We might not like Putin, but there's always been a line drawn there. That line has gotten very blurry in the last decade or two.

[Shaggy Hiker]

For what its worth, I don't actually agree with those assassinations either. Not just from a humanitarian level, but from a practical level too. I remember when Trump killed Soleimani that I was seriously concerned that would be the event to literally trigger a major conflict.

And if we are being honest, I don't think it can be as narrow as "non-US citizens" since most people are OK if they simply aren't on US soil. Obama droned bombed Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, both US citizens, and bragged about it. No trail, no sentence, just the push of a button. I don't know if many people know or care.

Assassinations rarely bring peace, but you know what almost always brings peace, free and open trade amongst peoples.

Yeah, those were the ones I was referencing. If you start saying that it is okay to kill somebody who might assist somebody else in killing a US citizen, then where do you stop? You can justify killing anybody at all using that logic. It's the whole "killing baby Hitler" thing. At that point, he hasn't done anything. Perhaps you could have just bought up his art work and had the same result?

[TysonLPrice]

Looks like Trump just dodged another bullet "Trump’s classified documents case dismissed by Judge Aileen Cannon". That is one of the advantages of appointing your own judges. Immunity and dismissals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...isssed-cannon/


He is off free unless the appeals go against him. Slim chance of that...

Hours later, special counsel Jack Smith’s office said it would appeal the order, which could result in it eventually being overturned by a higher court. But for now at least, the dismissal by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon brings a stunning and abrupt halt to a criminal case that at the time it was filed was widely regarded as the most perilous of all the legal threats the Republican former president confronted.

But if he is president, he can make it go away...

[sapator]

What are you talking about? Who's talking about a president assassination attempts 200 years ago? Who's talking about legit executions? I guess I'm wondering who you are talking TO, not about, as I haven't necessarily read over every post in the thread. I've only talked about recent things, not going back as far as Kennedy, which I don't remember because I wasn't born. When I talk about presidents ordering assassinations, I was talking about the last few presidents using drone strikes to kill people outside of any war. We might not like Putin, but there's always been a line drawn there. That line has gotten very blurry in the last decade or two.

Don't worry about it. Not for you.

[sapator]

Someone's been a complete ass again.