Biden should go or stay???

[TysonLPrice]

I think it's called obsession , or stalking, or compulsive behavior. So 500 meters restriction would be the minimum.
I might have broken CM also

I think projection is the word you are looking for

[dday9]

So you are telling me that this looks yummy?

https://realtree.com/timber-2-table-...-and-dumplings
https://cdn.media.amplience.net/i/re...ng-squirrel-54

Looks and tastes are two difference senses. It don't look that good, but it be.

[wes4dbt]

Looks like the Dem's are going to stick with Biden since he wont bow out gracefully. My son asked me why wont he quit, told him I have no idea why anyone wants to be president. It's a suck way to live. My best guess is Jill Biden doesn't want to give up being first lady. lol

The Dem's do seem to be in a tough spot, the normal replacement would be Harris but Harris hasn't polled very well. No other viable candidates have publicly thrown their hat in the ring. I don't see a winnable way forward, at this point.

I swear, you can almost see Biden aging before your eyes. I can say from experience that's is how it works. When your born there are rapid changes for the first years then from 20 - 65 changes are very slow, then the decline starts to speed up. The changes to me from 68 to 70 are speeding up and have been noticeable. Poor Biden, I saw a news clip of the end of a speech he was making. After the speech he did the old man shuffle over to Jill, she put a hat on him and pointed him in the direction of some supporters so he could shake their hands. Sad, but it will happen to all of us, unless we don't make it that far.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I don't think it's a good idea to take a close-up of most types of food. There are some types of drinks and soups that would look quite nice in close up, and mashed potatoes can be formed into interesting shapes, so they can look good, but most foods...are best left tasted.

[wes4dbt]

Well, maybe I was wrong about Harris. Right after my previous post I saw this https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/...090100054.html

But, polls come and go, they do sparks interesting conversations. I still don't think the Dem's can unite and force Biden to retire. There is a slim chance I could be wrong for a second time today. Oh my!!!!

Edit - Oh come on, now this poll shows Harris well behind Trump. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lea...161628950.html

I've got to stop reading the news.

[TysonLPrice]

I swear, you can almost see Biden aging before your eyes. I can say from experience that's is how it works. When your born there are rapid changes for the first years then from 20 - 65 changes are very slow, then the decline starts to speed up. The changes to me from 68 to 70 are speeding up and have been noticeable. Poor Biden, I saw a news clip of the end of a speech he was making. After the speech he did the old man shuffle over to Jill, she put a hat on him and pointed him in the direction of some supporters so he could shake their hands. Sad, but it will happen to all of us, unless we don't make it that far.

So true and it is so and it is in our face for this election. I see it called the "double hate' in the media. A criminal that will usurp our democracy and a feeble old man. Geez...

[TysonLPrice]

I don't think it's a good idea to take a close-up of most types of food. There are some types of drinks and soups that would look quite nice in close up, and mashed potatoes can be formed into interesting shapes, so they can look good, but most foods...are best left tasted.

Traditionally, Haggis comprises of sheep's offal, mixed with oats, suet, onion, spices and is cooked inside a sheep's stomach. Yum Yum!

[wes4dbt]

So true and it is so and it is in our face for this election. I see it called the "double hate' in the media. A criminal that will usurp our democracy and a feeble old man. Geez...

Maybe I'm wrong but there seems to be enough people that thoroughly dislike Trump that all the Dem's need to do is produce a warn body under 70 for them to vote for and it would be a close election.

[dday9]

So true and it is so and it is in our face for this election. I see it called the "double hate' in the media. A criminal that will usurp our democracy and a feeble old man. Geez...

I am genuinely curious, how do you think that Donald Trump would usurp democracy? I have heard Van Jones's argument (who I consider probably the most intellectual and Machiavellian leftist) and I feel that it is more fear mongering than actual concern.

[wes4dbt]

I am genuinely curious, how do you think that Donald Trump would usurp democracy?

I'll let Ty answer in full but did you forget about Jan. 6th? If you try to overthrow a presidential election, that's trying to usurp democracy. So, he's capable of trying. But I don't see him succeeding.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I don't think Trump is capable of keeping focused on anything at all for long enough to accomplish anything. He's pretty much stated that a second term would be largely about revenge, and that would be in keeping with his history. He attacks ANYBODY.

The bigger concern is that people he's bringing in have stated an intention to undermine the justice system. They'll basically be attempting to replace all senior positions with loyalists. Can they do it? Hard to say, but it certainly IS possible:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Democraci.../dp/1524762938

[Shaggy Hiker]

And there's also this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[dday9]

I'll let Ty answer in full but did you forget about Jan. 6th? If you try to overthrow a presidential election, that's trying to usurp democracy. So, he's capable of trying. But I don't see him succeeding.

At the end of the day, he got on a plane and left. He could have complained about the loss and try to present a legal case in the more traditional manner (like Kerry's approach post 2000), but that has never been his style.

I see him more as an over the top personality who has a pathological aversion towards any negativity against his "brand", real or perceived.

But to paint him as some wannabe dictator who will make this absolute power grab in some cunning or even in a brute manner is just an overreach in my opinion.

A 2024 Trump presidency to me would probably be some more Supreme Court picks due to retirement and circumstance, some more big spending Republicanism with over the top fights in the senate, and a cabinet of "the best people" who are basically the similar establishment folks that he had before. Basically a loud mouth Bush administration focused on immigration instead of "democracy building" in the Middle East.

If it isn't painfully obvious, I'm not very optimistic about a Trump presidency but I just don't see it as an overthrowing democracy presidency.

[dday9]

And there's also this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

I did NOT consider that.

[wes4dbt]

At the end of the day, he got on a plane and left.

He is definitely a wanna be dictator. He just didn't succeed. What else was Jan 6th?? Why does the fact he failed to overthrow the election keep him from being a wanna be dictator? The fact he got on a plane and left only means he failed. He would of stay if it had been successful.

But to paint him as some wannabe dictator who will make this absolute power grab in some cunning or even in a brute manner is just an overreach in my opinion.

Well, he did try to get the DOJ involved in declaring the election invalid. You know he's capable of being a brute. If he could of got the military on board he would have.

You seem to be confusing lack of success with the will to do so.

I'm voting for Pedro!!!

[jmcilhinney]

I haven't read much of this thread so I might be a bit behind but I'll address the initial point. I wasn't particularly a fan of Biden from the word go and don't think he ever should have been the Democratic candidate, but I would have voted for him in a heartbeat over Trump, if I were American. It was my opinion from the outset that, whatever his own positions may be, Trump is a terrible person and such a person should not be in such a position. History has borne that out, with Trump destroying America in his attempts to hold onto power for himself. Regardless of any of his policies, the damage he has done with his rhetoric will linger of r a long time.

Biden called himself a "transitional candidate" the first time so, second time around, the Democratic party should have looked to get someone else in place well before now. Now that we're here, I don't think that anyone who replaces Biden would have a better chance. It's just too late for anyone to gain the profile required and convince voters that they are the person for the job despite not having been initially preferred to a man considered incompetent enough to need to be replaced. Anyone who could have been a good candidate just doesn't have the time to show it now. Bernie Sanders is still sharp a s tack despite his age but I expect that he's over it now and I think that Democrats would rather lose than give him the chance. Gavin Newsom could be a good presidential candidate but he'd have to give up California governorship and I doubt he wants to do that when a loss is highly likely and could set his political career back a decade or more. Kamala Harris didn't get far in the Democratic primaries for a reason when she stood and I doubt that people like Pete Buttigieg are ready yet and also could have their careers destroyed by a loss.

[sapator]

Looks and tastes are two difference senses. It don't look that good, but it be.

I concur but it's like here that they eat snails. They say it's very tasteful but I cannot real see me trying one.

[sapator]

As for Biden, I said that Trump made a mistake with the early debate and gave the Democrats time to do some changes, if they just whistle around they will lose by a landslide. Just remember that the political time moves very differently than the actual time. in 4 months there is a LOT to be done, I'm not here to tell what to be done but one obvious thing is Biden to step off. If they wont do that then there is not much to talk about, rather than make plans (them) on fighting Trump after he wins.

[TysonLPrice]

I am genuinely curious, how do you think that Donald Trump would usurp democracy? I have heard Van Jones's argument (who I consider probably the most intellectual and Machiavellian leftist) and I feel that it is more fear mongering than actual concern.

As was mentioned, he already tried once and failed. He'll be better prepared next time. Read up on project 2025...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is...ge-foundation/

[sapator]

In a post to his social media platform Friday, Trump wrote, "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."

Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance raised a similar sentiment in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," saying organizations will have good ideas and bad ideas.
"It's a 900-page document," he said Sunday. "I guarantee there are things that Trump likes and dislikes about that 900-page document. But he is the person who will determine the agenda of the next administration."

Of course Trump is a lair and Axiom axios or whatever is called had a reliable source, the same one heard of nuking storms, that Trump said in a meeting that he will undertake every singe one of the 900 pages.

The funny thing is, we will get to see it either way. So sit back, relax and bring pop corn.

[TysonLPrice]

In a post to his social media platform Friday, Trump wrote, "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."

Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance raised a similar sentiment in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," saying organizations will have good ideas and bad ideas.
"It's a 900-page document," he said Sunday. "I guarantee there are things that Trump likes and dislikes about that 900-page document. But he is the person who will determine the agenda of the next administration."

Of course Trump is a lair and Axiom axios or whatever is called had a reliable source, the same one heard of nuking storms, that Trump said in a meeting that he will undertake every singe one of the 900 pages.

The funny thing is, we will get to see it either way. So sit back, relax and bring pop corn.

To post something that Trump says as being the truth is just absurd. You even post the contradiction supporting your "point".

"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal."

He knows "nothing" about it, but disagrees with some of it. Which is it? You seem to insist on defending the indefensible.


Just recently he droned on...

From a standard Trump stump speech, full of evidence-free claims that his 2020 election defeat was fraudulent; baseless accusations that overseas nations were sending to the US “most of their prisoners”; and a laughable assertion that a gathering of supporters numbering in the hundreds was really a crowd of 45,000.


It also touched on the surreal. Biden, he insisted, had raised the price of bacon four-fold.

“We don’t eat bacon any more,” Trump said.

Electric cars, he said, “cheated” the US public because drivers had to stop for three hours to recharge their vehicles after every 45 minutes of driving. And, in an echo of one of the more bizarre debate exchanges with Biden over who was the better golfer, he challenged his White House successor to 18 holes over the Doral course while granting a 10-stroke concession.

“It will be among the most watched sporting events in history, maybe bigger than the Ryder Cup or even the Masters,” Trump said, pledging $1m to a charity of Biden’s choosing if he lost.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...campaign-rally

[sapator]

Well. I guess we will find out.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I concur but it's like here that they eat snails. They say it's very tasteful but I cannot real see me trying one.

Look very closely at nearly anything that you have dug into and it might look a bit of a mess. I felt that was a really bad picture. That closeup just made it look kind of greasy and unappealing. Presentation matters, and closeups...well, have you ever looked really closely at a sausage? They're the wurst!

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump is easy to manipulate. The people around him are well aware of that. He responds very positively to adoration. He strikes out against any criticism. So, there's no such thing as constructive criticism with him, just give him adoration and he'll support whatever you want. He was an abortion rights, anti-gun, liberal when it got him what he wanted, and now he's an anti-abortion, gun rights, conservative because that gets him what he wants now. Who knows what he actually believes, but his public views are very much for sale.

[sapator]

Look very closely at nearly anything that you have dug into and it might look a bit of a mess. I felt that was a really bad picture. That closeup just made it look kind of greasy and unappealing. Presentation matters, and closeups...well, have you ever looked really closely at a sausage? They're the wurst!

Yes but i tend to it from a relative distance, not putting my face into the food to look closely on what I eat.

[sapator]

Trump is easy to manipulate. The people around him are well aware of that. He responds very positively to adoration. He strikes out against any criticism. So, there's no such thing as constructive criticism with him, just give him adoration and he'll support whatever you want. He was an abortion rights, anti-gun, liberal when it got him what he wanted, and now he's an anti-abortion, gun rights, conservative because that gets him what he wants now. Who knows what he actually believes, but his public views are very much for sale.

If that is true vote for Biden.

From what I've seen lately he's got some solid views on the main issues that are the important ones. Economy, immigrants and war. I tend to agree. You need to have an indoors solid economy- builds, exports etc, I'm against immigrants overpopulation (although completely different beast Us and Europe) and war, Ukraine, well Black rock has bought over 30% of the feeding soil so no point to continue.
Now if there is that hidden agenda specified before, anyone with spare time can write out the most significant issues that will impact negative US and go one by one when he gets elected to see what are materialized and what not.
I mean issues that he refuses that will do cuz some might already be valid in his agenda.

[techgnome]

Trump is easy to manipulate. The people around him are well aware of that. He responds very positively to adoration. He strikes out against any criticism. So, there's no such thing as constructive criticism with him, just give him adoration and he'll support whatever you want. He was an abortion rights, anti-gun, liberal when it got him what he wanted, and now he's an anti-abortion, gun rights, conservative because that gets him what he wants now. Who knows what he actually believes, but his public views are very much for sale.

That's the part that actually has me the most concerned... it's not what Trump himself will/can do... it's what he'll empower those around him that has me concerned... That's why I don't have a good feeling about PRoject 2025 ... it's a blueprint for... a number of things... that was put together by people who are/were part of his inner circle over the last 8 years... it's THEIR plan, not his... but if he's elected, then he'll be enabling them to act on it... some directly, "here sir, sign this..." some indirectly - by appointment, or even by removing regulations --- one of the more damming plans is the reclassification of a number of government employees that were previously protected - non-partisan positions and offices that should operate outside of politics - and removing the protection making them firable every 4 years... That protection was removed... then restored... Project 2025 has plans to re-remove the protection and make it permanent... And there's more... parts that seem innocuous on their own, but when put together with other actions... it gets dark really quickly. If I remember tonight, I'll dig through it and see if I can pull out some of the juicier items.

It's the same game plan from the MAGA movement... Trump didn't directly lead it, but his actions and words emboldened others to start speaking out and taking direct action. He's like alcohol... he removed a lot of people's inhibitions about speaking out... and now they feel like they have carte-blanche to say and do what they want, regardless of the damage it causes.


-tg

[TysonLPrice]

He's like alcohol... he removed a lot of people's inhibitions about speaking out...

That's a new one on me but so true...

[dday9]

Alcohol has the opposite effect on me lol

[OptionBase1]

I'm from Minnesota, the home state of Representative Dean Phillips. You may have heard of him, you may not. He was basically the only Democrat running in the Presidential primary against Joe Biden. He was running because he didn't think Joe Biden was fit for another term. The media and other Democrats basically destroyed him for it.

And now it comes out that this same media and these same Democrats are calling Biden's "shocking decline" an "open secret for 2+ years".

That's why, to me, the media, politics, it's all a bunch of absolute lies and garbage. All of it. And people can't stop falling for it, day in and day out. Just hogwash nonsense.

[dday9]

Bobby Kennedy was probably his strongest opponent. I am familiar enough with Dean Phillips, he is basically another run of the mill establishment Democrat, but you are right he was absolutely lambasted by the corporate media. More and more Americans are waking up to the corporate media narrative, "news" is not factual reporting of information, rather it is merely a political driver of whatever message the party the C-level executives of the outlet support.

What is nuts is that this statement is perceived as a right wing conspiracy theory but the same is true with outlets like Fox and Blaze. That is why I fully support the podcast environment, libertarian shows are openly libertarian, right-wing shows are openly right wing, and left-wing shows are openly left-wing. You can listen to several different perspectives and conclude that the truth is somewhere between them all.

[wes4dbt]

What is nuts is that this statement is perceived as a right wing conspiracy theory but the same is true with outlets like Fox and Blaze. That is why I fully support the podcast environment, libertarian shows are openly libertarian, right-wing shows are openly right wing, and left-wing shows are openly left-wing. You can listen to several different perspectives and conclude that the truth is somewhere between them all.

Can't you say the same for all types of news media. FOX, CNN, NBC, AP, Reuters, NY Times .... all have there bias's. As you said, the truth is somewhere between them all. I don't think it's a bunch of "absolute lies", mostly partial truths. They conveniently leave out facts or lack context.

[sapator]

Oh Darn.
I remember a thread. The thread. That all of these media where absolute correct and now they may tell a lie from times to times.
At least I bashed them from the beginning and your 2 years theory , well, how did I knew that theory 2 years ago and you did not (again plural)? Is it because of one track mindness? Of blinkers? Of stubbornness to see what is in front of you? Or anti Trumpism?
At the positive side, yes people start to wake up, at least for Biden. It's completely obvious the man cannot cope and if they where trying to bend it imagine what other things they are bending...

I don't think it's a bunch of "absolute lies", mostly partial truths. They conveniently leave out facts or lack context.

Agree 100% and I will give you credit as I remember you having second thoughts at least a year ago.

And now counting backward for the first wave of vacations... 7--6...

[dday9]

Can't you say the same for all types of news media. FOX, CNN, NBC, AP, Reuters, NY Times .... all have there bias's. As you said, the truth is somewhere between them all. I don't think it's a bunch of "absolute lies", mostly partial truths. They conveniently leave out facts or lack context.

I do call them out. The difference between the corporate media and podcasts is that the former claim to be THE source of truth whereas the latter (for the most part) openly acknowledges their biases.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Oh Darn.
I remember a thread. The thread. That all of these media where absolute correct and now they may tell a lie from times to times.

\

Yeah, I remember that thread, too. It wasn't the media, it was published science. Of course, you loons didn't have any published science, so you just posted links to talking heads talking, and pretended it was evidence.

[sapator]

Well then you don't remember correctly.
The media did all the dirty job, published or non published it did not really made any difference. We where probably the only ones looking at publications while the media spread the terror.
But suit yourself, Biden was covered up for years and now the...Media.Always trust the media.
Also who are you calling a loon? Just wait till I get my head out of the beer bucket filled with...Beer and I'll give you a piece of my mind!

[Shaggy Hiker]

Well then you don't remember correctly.
The media did all the dirty job, published or non published it did not really made any difference. We where probably the only ones looking at publications while the media spread the terror.
But suit yourself, Biden was covered up for years and now the...Media.Always trust the media.
Also who are you calling a loon? Just wait till I get my head out of the beer bucket filled with...Beer and I'll give you a piece of my mind!

Ah, you probably don't even know what a loon is.

For that matter, I'm not entirely sure myself, in that context. The loon is an iconic bird across the northern US and Canada (not sure if they are found anywhere in Europe). They're funny birds, with some strange behavior, but the call of the loon is what is iconic. In this case, though, the word may be "loon", but it's probably short for lunatic, which is a word with a far different history.

[sapator]

From what you write and taken in consideration the iconic call, it looks very close as a call to 'Linus'.
This is from wiki.
In Greek mythology Linus (Ancient Greek: ????? Linos "flax") was a reputed musician and master of eloquent speech.He was regarded as the first leader of lyric song.
Maybe the bird song had something to do with the the naming. But as a general remark I kinda think you know what you wrote. You are insulting me in order to get insulted and then feel insulted but the whole think is insulting. I'm insulted!

P.S. The Greek sold out media started transmitting Biden goof-ups, they have never done so in the past. What does this tells us and take in consideration that the sold out media are in collaboration with the sold out goverment that is US obedient dog?...Or this is one big coincidence..Yep, must be so.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Loon isn't much of an insult. It's a description, to be sure, but whether or not it is even negative largely depends on the context.

However, you got me curious about where the bird name came from, and it looks like it was probably Scandinavian in origin, one way or another. While the call of the loon is iconic, I'm not sure that it would be considered song. The name may come from the Scandinavian word Lum, which is probably the origin of the old English word lumme, especially since they both mean awkward or clumsy. That's not how I would describe the bird, but I would be wrong. Most waterfowl can get out and walk around on land, but the loon has its legs too far back, and is awkward on land. Also, most flying waterfowl can take off from the water they are floating on. The loon can, as well, but only so long as it has enough room. It takes such a long distance to get airborne that it can become trapped if it lands on a small enough body of water....which seems like a really big design flaw, really.

[OptionBase1]

Edit to add:

General commentary not in response to any post or poster in this thread:

Anyone pleased with Trump getting shot a few minutes ago is pure evil.