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    Python under "Other Languages"

    Could I ask y'all to add a "Python" forum under the "Other Languages" category?

    My argument would be that it's supposedly (according to several surveys), the most popular programming language in the world these days. Also, I know (and like) the folks on these forums, and I suspect a few of them know (and sometimes use) Python.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Need feedback from a few others and at least two moderators.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Are there so many Python posts in 'Other programming languages' members are fighting over the 'Python spam' and saying it should be renamed the Python Forum?


    But yes it's not just incredibly popular, it's also the most common option for a first language and for people just looking to do light tasks to support other fields like VB used to be, so makes sense.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    This was also asked for before here:
    https://www.vbforums.com/showthread....ghlight=python
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    It's also the least VB language of them all (it isn't even a compiled language), and this is quite clearly a VB forum..."other languages" usually means other languages that can be coded in VB (as in C# or numerous other languages being used in Visual Studio)...I'm not against it, but is it really relevant? What's next, a Rust section?

    Again, not against it, there's plenty of other sections for languages that are nothing to do with VB, but a jack of all trades is a master of none!

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    What makes PHP more like VB than Python is like VB?

    Assembly?

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Who said I think PHP has more right to be there than Python? I'm not against PHP either, but it shouldn't really be here as it's not VB :-)

    Assembly is a little different though...it probably shouldn't be here either, but it has some tentative links with VB

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    IMO the only reason *any* other languages should be at VBforums is because VB programmers might come in contact with those languages within the scope of their VB programming. The only reasons a VB programmer would post about another language here instead of another dedicated language forum is that they have a need to lean on the wider VB community for advice on how to work with the other language within the scope of their VB projects, OR they want to show/teach other VB programmers that there are interesting ways to work with other languages in relation to their VB projects.

    I think that Elroy has demonstrated through code that an Other Languages > Python sub-forum might have some value, but from a moderator/admin perspective though, I can understand the reluctance around adding sub-forums - it's a volunteer position, and I imagine that any new sub-forums would lead to an increase of noisy emails asking for posts to be moved around.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Do VBForums have enough Python 'expert's to be able to answer Python questions?
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    @jpbro: Thanks for the support. And that's actually precisely why I'd like to see it, for purposes of comparison, contrast, and cooperation between VB and Python.

    Also, for me, there's a familiarity component. When I post here, or start a new thread, I know precisely what I'm getting into. If I were to start a thread in a Python forum here, and The Trick, or Wqweto, or many many others were to respond, I'd understand what I'm looking at. Whereas on any other forum, I'd be floundering in the dark, not knowing what makes sense and what doesn't.

    And also, as stated by others, in many cases, Python is a "bridge" language, in some ways like PHP. I totally "get" why there's a PHP forum. It's the most used language for auto-responding to and auto-generating website responses, and, as such, may interface with VB code. Python "bridges" in a slightly different way, such as being the "macro/script" language for popular end-user software, such as Gimp, Blender, AutoCAD, and others.

    In fact, I've got several VB6 programs that massage and then feed data to a Python script that then subsequently feed that data into Blender for automation purposes. So there's a perfect example of a VB6-to-Python interface, requiring both languages.

    IDK, again, it just seems we should be covering the world's most popular language, as I suspect a great many of us have at least dabbled in Python.
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Honestly, as some one learning Python, this isn't the first place I'd think of coming to for help with it.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Python Forum should exist. It is one of the most popular programming languages in the world as it is currently used by 15 million+ users and counting. Also a Machine Learning / Artificial Intelligence section would be nice but I know you want a ton more feedback before considering it.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    I have also heard that Python is very widely used, these days, but I can't say I have ever encountered anybody talking about it, aside from occasional references, on here. Is there anybody on here that uses it enough to be able to answer questions asked about the language?
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I have also heard that Python is very widely used, these days, but I can't say I have ever encountered anybody talking about it, aside from occasional references, on here. Is there anybody on here that uses it enough to be able to answer questions asked about the language?
    I'm about done with college and from my observations, every freaking CS student I ever knew here knows Python. I'm sure its the same case in all universities. As for people who use this forum, lets see. After all, I am a Python user myself.

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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    What's this "about done with college" bit? It's in your avatar. Did you got back for more?

    Everybody in biology seems to be using R. Everybody I know in ESRI seems familiar with Python, though how much they use it, I can't say. Also, if I based expectations on what I encountered when I was in college, everybody would be using an Apple and if they used any code, it would be C. That's not a bad language to know, but I doubt it is front and center anymore.

    I'm not opposed to adding a Python section, I'm just not sure whether it wouldn't become a graveyard where questions go to be ignored.
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    What's this "about done with college" bit? It's in your avatar. Did you got back for more?

    Everybody in biology seems to be using R. Everybody I know in ESRI seems familiar with Python, though how much they use it, I can't say. Also, if I based expectations on what I encountered when I was in college, everybody would be using an Apple and if they used any code, it would be C. That's not a bad language to know, but I doubt it is front and center anymore.

    I'm not opposed to adding a Python section, I'm just not sure whether it wouldn't become a graveyard where questions go to be ignored.
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    Awesome. Good job.
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    I too strongly support the addition of a Python section. We have a PHP section so whatever reasoning was applied there can be applied 10 times over for the inclusion of a Python section.
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    Re: Python under "Other Languages"

    I personally wanna master Python libraries such as PyTorch and Tensorflow to get my machine learning and AI skills up to par. Python seems to be in demand as its own forum. Can't imagine why not.

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