Israel?

[TysonLPrice]

Why??? Israel didn't consult the US before taking this action. I think it's about time the US stops blindly going to Israel's aid. But I'm repeating myself. That's what happens when you get old.

I think at this point it is just trying to contain the explosion. I go back even farther than that and still ask why. The US was the very first to nation agree taking that land was "legal". Who else have we given nuclear weapons to?

[wes4dbt]

This is very encouraging. https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...071406241.html

Even though it's only because the hostages and not for the killing of 10's of thousands innocent palestinians it's a good thing.

[wes4dbt]

Israel's willingness to kill innocent Palestinians is still going strong, https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/g-s1-...si-khan-younis

The willingness of the rest of the world to just shrug their shoulders is still going strong.

I really did think there would be a stronger push back by now. It's disappointing.











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[TysonLPrice]

Israel's willingness to kill innocent Palestinians is still going strong, https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/g-s1-...si-khan-younis

The willingness of the rest of the world to just shrug their shoulders is still going strong.

I really did think there would be a stronger push back by now. It's disappointing.

It pales next to what is going on in Africa...where?

[OptionBase1]

Coordinated attack in Lebanon where pagers simultaneously explode. Unknown dead, thousands reported injured. Unbelievable. Israel is suspected to be behind the attack. These pagers were recently distributed to suspected members of Hezbollah.

Not good.

[wes4dbt]

I agree, it's not good but killing each other seems to be the only solutions they want. They've been doing it for over 75+ years and I don't see it ending any time soon. I realize that's a very negative response but the lack of growth in their humanity towards each other is very disappointing and hard to understand. All the innocent lives so easily taken is shameful.

killed at least eight people and wounded 2,750 others

That seems strange, so many injured and so few deaths. Then again how much explosives can you fit in a pager?

[TysonLPrice]

Coordinated attack in Lebanon where pagers simultaneously explode. Unknown dead, thousands reported injured. Unbelievable. Israel is suspected to be behind the attack. These pagers were recently distributed to suspected members of Hezbollah.

Not good.

For all the negatives, and risking condemnation here, it was pretty cool

It was similar to the Stuxnet virus...introduced in the manufacturing stage.

[TysonLPrice]

I'm seeing their backup radios, in case the pagers go down, are exploding now....

[OptionBase1]

I'm seeing their backup radios, in case the pagers go down, are exploding now....

Reports of other types of devices exploding as well, like home solar power systems.

No, this isn't cool at all. This isn't a movie or TV show. This is real life, and undoubtedly there are people (yes, actual human beings like you, me, or your family members) who have been hurt or killed that have zero links to terrorism.

[wes4dbt]

No, this isn't cool at all. This isn't a movie or TV show. This is real life, and undoubtedly there are people (yes, actual human beings like you, me, or your family members) who have been hurt or killed that have zero links to terrorism.

I agree but it's not surprising. Israel's willingness to kill innocents has been on full display in Gaza. This is just another example.

I should add, Hamas and Hezbollah also have no problems with killing the innocent. I realize there are always innocent people killed in conflicts. The scale at which it's happening in this conflict is disturbing.

[TysonLPrice]

Reports of other types of devices exploding as well, like home solar power systems.

No, this isn't cool at all. This isn't a movie or TV show. This is real life, and undoubtedly there are people (yes, actual human beings like you, me, or your family members) who have been hurt or killed that have zero links to terrorism.

I guess I know what you mean about the "human toll" but I think you don't know what I meant. It was absolutely cool...the mechanisms, the infiltration, the intelligence, the timing, the very sophistication of it. Top of the notch execution...very cool!!!

A high precision, multi-layered, international, plan coming together "right on time"...excellent.

[wes4dbt]

A high precision, multi-layered, international, plan coming together "right on time"...excellent.

I know what you meant about the plan and execution but it's kind of like complimenting a serial killer for how good they were at it. It may be true but should it really be openly admired? I doubt in either case the victims and their families would think it was cool.

Sort of hard to separate the execution of the plan and the resulting human carnage.

Sometimes I think of these acts and the seemingly lack of consideration for innocent lives, then wonder how they justify it. But they can always find a way. I often think back to the fire bombing of Japan, we killed 100,000 people in one night. But we justify it, we were at war, it saved American lives. I tell myself there is a difference between WWII and the what's going on between Israel and their enemies. But I'm not sure.

[TysonLPrice]

I know what you meant about the plan and execution but it's kind of like complimenting a serial killer for how good they were at it. It may be true but should it really be openly admired? I doubt in either case the victims and their families would think it was cool.

Sort of hard to separate the execution of the plan and the resulting human carnage.

Sometimes I think of these acts and the seemingly lack of consideration for innocent lives, then wonder how they justify it. But they can always find a way. I often think back to the fire bombing of Japan, we killed 100,000 people in one night. But we justify it, we were at war, it saved American lives. I tell myself there is a difference between WWII and the what's going on between Israel and their enemies. But I'm not sure.

I see what you mean but I can separate the mechanics from the results and recognize them both. Saying the obvious in polite company can get you "condemned" and I knew I was risking that.-

I wonder if I had posted "I have to admire the mechanics of the operation" instead of "I think it was cool" the replies would have been different.

[wes4dbt]

I wonder if I had posted "I have to admire the mechanics of the operation" instead of "I think it was cool" the replies would have been different.

Probably. It struck me that it showed the sophistication of Israel's intelligence gathering services. Several of their strikes recently makes it clear they have knowledge of Hezbollah plans at a very high level.

In reality, I find it morally unjustifiable to set off thousands of bombs with no certainty of who they are going to harm. Lebanon is not at war with Israel.

[TysonLPrice]

Probably. It struck me that it showed the sophistication of Israel's intelligence gathering services. Several of their strikes recently makes it clear they have knowledge of Hezbollah plans at a very high level.

In reality, I find it morally unjustifiable to set off thousands of bombs with no certainty of who they are going to harm. Lebanon is not at war with Israel.

I haven't seen it asked yet, that I have read, but what if one was on a plane in flight?

[wes4dbt]

I haven't seen it asked yet, that I have read, but what if one was on a plane in flight?

Obviously Israel didn't care who was killed. They've really turned to terrorism.

[techgnome]

Obviously Israel didn't care who was killed. They've really turned to terrorism.

Seriously? You think so? I duinno... need more evidence...


-tg

[wes4dbt]

Seriously? You think so? I duinno... need more evidence...


-tg

Seems like terrorism to me. If Hamas/Hezbollah set of thousands of bombs in Israel, would you consider that an act of terrorism? Recently Israel has set off bombs in Lebanon and Iran multiple times.

Gaza is a different story, that's just a straight out invasion with a long list of crimes against humanity.

[techgnome]

yeaaaaah... I don't know... things explode all the time. Especially with lithium batteries... They even explode mid-flight and no one's screaming terrorism...


-tg

[wes4dbt]

yeaaaaah... I don't know... things explode all the time. Especially with lithium batteries... They even explode mid-flight and no one's screaming terrorism...


-tg

Not sure what that even means. lithium batteries??? lol

[TysonLPrice]

Not sure what that even means. lithium batteries??? lol

Possibly sarcasm

[wes4dbt]

Possibly sarcasm

Maybe your right. A was struggling to make the connection between planned attacks on foreign soil and accidental battery explosions. Or who was screaming.

I'm really struggling with the idea that someone doesn't agree with me. Doesn't seem possible. lol

[techgnome]

It was sarcasm... "They've really turned to terrorism." -- I read that and I thought "OH REALLLLY? You think only NOW that they have?" A more accurate (in my opinion) statement would have been "They've really turned up the terrorism."

-tg

[FunkyDexter]

On the one hand I can kind of admire the planning and execution that must have gone into that attack. From a logistical point of view it's actually a very impressive achievement. And, strategically, it has shut down the communications of Hezbollah's leadership in a single (or pair of) actions.

On the other hand, good God is that irresponsible! The danger to innocent passers by is bad enough but imagine if e.g. one had gone off on a plane. The results could have been horrific.

[wes4dbt]

Killing two or three hundred more people by bringing down a plane wouldn't even raise Israels body count by 1% over the past year.

Looks like Israel is seeking to expand the conflicts (it's actually war but no one want to call it that). Taking on Hamas/Hezbollah/Lebanon all at once in a full scale war seems risky. Iran and the US will be significant wild cards.

[TysonLPrice]

Killing two or three hundred more people by bringing down a plane wouldn't even raise Israels body count by 1% over the past year.

Looks like Israel is seeking to expand the conflicts (it's actually war but no one want to call it that). Taking on Hamas/Hezbollah/Lebanon all at once in a full scale war seems risky. Iran and the US will be significant wild cards.

I personally think that "bibi" wants to widen the war and suck the US right into it. After they blew up the pagers they went after the radios, the last 150 Lebanon air strikes are going after them trying to use phones again. I wonder if that was part of the the plan from the start or a "bonus".

[TysonLPrice]

History repeats itself:

The Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon lasted for eighteen years, from 1982 until 2000. In June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon in response to attacks from southern Lebanon by Palestinian militants.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...gs_ivs=1#tts=0

Today:

Israel planning an imminent limited ground operation in Lebanon, U.S. official says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/?relo...=1727734989795

Paraphrasing...Biden keeps going "enough, cease fire, enough, cease fire". Netanyahu says "you are a lame duck, I'm in war mode". He knows the US is his war "puppet" and he is going for it.

[sapator]

If the war escalates US can go full force helping them and that would be an excuse to postpone the elections, or a nation at war gathers around it's leader so might get more votes, just enough to win the elections.
But I probably have a devious mind

[wes4dbt]

If the war escalates US can go full force helping them and that would be an excuse to postpone the elections, or a nation at war gathers around it's leader so might get more votes, just enough to win the elections.
But I probably have a devious mind

It certainly wouldn't postpone the election.

It might change a few votes but which way. Being at war can either get you votes or loose you votes. In this case my guess is it would loose the incumbent votes. Going to war again in the middle east isn't a popular idea.

[sapator]

Maybe, maybe not, you have to sell it smart, if you decide to go for it.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I don't think any US president is willing to put boots on the ground for this. Planes in the air, perhaps, but not boots on the ground.

[TysonLPrice]

That the elections would be postponed would just never happen. At least not in this cycle. The conflict can't help the current leader because he isn't running.

[FunkyDexter]

It wouldn't postpone the US election but that's not the target. Postponing the deadline when Netanyahu has to call an election... well that's a different story.

[TysonLPrice]

It wouldn't postpone the US election but that's not the target. Postponing the deadline when Netanyahu has to call an election... well that's a different story.

I think that could be read both ways, or at least I did. But I have been wrong before...

[FunkyDexter]

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to guess what others had meant by their posts here. My comment's purely to do with why I think Netanyahu is pursuing the course he is.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I, too, feel that the main driver of what Israel is doing is for Netanyahu to avoid facing the voters.

[TysonLPrice]

I, too, feel that the main driver of what Israel is doing is for Netanyahu to avoid facing the voters.

If that is true he is a real piece of scum, up there with Putin when it come to civilians.

[sapator]

US support him so the scum of my enemy is my kinda scum. If that is true...

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, unfortunately, we've often been like that. It was probably worse during the cold war, but not a whole lot worse.

[TysonLPrice]

Yeah, unfortunately, we've often been like that. It was probably worse during the cold war, but not a whole lot worse.

I didn't think of that when I posted but, yes, that makes the US scum for suppling the weapons and supporting it. From day one literally. The US is the first nation to recognize redrawing the map, eighty years ago?, and has been involved, ready to go to war to support the newly declared nation, since then.