Israel?

[wes4dbt]

True fact: many fish species can spontaneously change sex. Do with that what you will but I reckon Shaggy's safe as long as he's not counting those ones.

hmm, was there a message in there???

[TysonLPrice]

I don't think so but it sounds fishy. It spawns thought I guess... I might not be catching what is under the surface though. Too deep for me.
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[Shaggy Hiker]

True fact: many fish species can spontaneously change sex. Do with that what you will but I reckon Shaggy's safe as long as he's not counting those ones.

Oh it gets worse than that. Not only do some fish change genders, but LOTS of fish mate across species.

Those fish, they just don't stay in their lanes like their supposed to.

Other than that, DOGE is not directly impacting me, just people around me. Trump doesn't like to take the time to understand any problems. He goes for the quick and uninformed answer to any problem. When it comes to fish, it's a bit hard to say which way he'd jump, especially now. He could do damage, he might do something good, but ultimately he probably can't keep his mind on one thing long enough to really accomplish anything one way or another.

[wes4dbt]

but LOTS of fish mate across species.

With the way males fertilized eggs wouldn't that tend to happen because of the nature of flowing water? Or is it know to be intentional? Maybe just bad aim or eye site.

[TysonLPrice]

He could do damage, he might do something good, but ultimately he probably can't keep his mind on one thing long enough to really accomplish anything one way or another.

The "leader" of the free world

Just one month into it...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classro...ps-second-term

[FunkyDexter]

LOTS of fish mate across species.

From the look of some of the night clubs round my way I'm pretty sure that's happening here.

[Shaggy Hiker]

With the way males fertilized eggs wouldn't that tend to happen because of the nature of flowing water? Or is it know to be intentional? Maybe just bad aim or eye site.

Yeah, we aren't known for our aim.

Other than that, it is intentional...as long as you attribute intention to fish. I suppose there are layers to that one.

[wes4dbt]

Anyone else get the feeling that as soon as Israel gets back it's hostages they will resume destroying Gaza and killing Palestinians??

The only major push back the government got from Israeli's was from people wanting to get the hostages back.

[TysonLPrice]

Anyone else get the feeling that as soon as Israel gets back it's hostages they will resume destroying Gaza and killing Palestinians??

The only major push back the government got from Israeli's was from people wanting to get the hostages back.

Now that Trump has their back I'm betting the West Bank is next.

[wes4dbt]

The details aren't listed on who pays what,

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...120108228.html

But even if Israel doesn't have to pay a dime, I don't think they will accept the plan. Israel seems determined to continue the destruction of Gaza.

[wes4dbt]

Israel's killing spree is going strong again. https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...d99275f52868a5

The White House says it was consulted and agreed with the Israeli plans. Shame on us.

I new Trumps didn't care about Palestinian life but I am also disappointed in the rest of the world for not doing much more than wag their finger at Israel and say shame shame.

Then again I'm not sure what else they can do unless they are willing to put boots on the ground against Israel. I don't see that happening.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump probably figures that sand is easier to smooth for a new building than rubble.

[sapator]

Let me remind that the same was said about Biden so don't Trumpatize everything . Someone sneezes it's Trumps fault. Stop been so biased you would hurt you cholesterol .

[wes4dbt]

Let me remind that the same was said about Biden so don't Trumpatize everything . Someone sneezes it's Trumps fault. Stop been so biased you would hurt you cholesterol .

I didn't give Biden or the US a free pass with their lack of action against Israel. This is what's happening now and Trump is in charge.

Or is your opinion that two wrongs make a right?

[sapator]

No I'm not taking sides as I have stopped researching after a while.
So to be clear you are anti Israel anti antisemitism ?

[wes4dbt]

No I'm not taking sides as I have stopped researching after a while.
So to be clear you are anti Israel anti antisemitism ?

If your not taking sides then why did you call it "Trumpatize" when I mentioned him my post about the current Israeli actions in Gaza?

I'm against what Israel is doing in Gaza. Yes I am "anti antisemitism" but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their current actions.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Let me remind that the same was said about Biden so don't Trumpatize everything . Someone sneezes it's Trumps fault. Stop been so biased you would hurt you cholesterol .

Biden didn't talk about kicking the Palestinians out and turning Gaza into a resort. That was what my comment was regarding.

[sapator]

If your not taking sides then why did you call it "Trumpatize" when I mentioned him my post about the current Israeli actions in Gaza?

I'm against what Israel is doing in Gaza. Yes I am "anti antisemitism" but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their current actions.

I did not mention you in particular where did I do that? You are just the biased and that if fine. I'm not talking sides since my last post with relevance to the confrontation was months ago so I'm not participating.

And on "Biden didn't talk about kicking the Palestinians out and turning Gaza into a resort." Talk is cheap the practice is the exact same like Biden, do nothing and protest. So it does not make sense to "Trumpatize" but since I disturbed the water I'll let you go in with the rampage. Sorry for the intrusion.

[wes4dbt]

I did not mention you in particular where did I do that? You are just the biased and that if fine. I'm not talking sides since my last post with relevance to the confrontation was months ago so I'm not participating.

And on "Biden didn't talk about kicking the Palestinians out and turning Gaza into a resort." Talk is cheap the practice is the exact same like Biden, do nothing and protest. So it does not make sense to "Trumpatize" but since I disturbed the water I'll let you go in with the rampage. Sorry for the intrusion.

"blazed", "rampage", "Trumpized" lol

[sapator]

What this has to do with anything?

[wes4dbt]

I remember a while back when Ty said things are going to get worse for the Palestinians now that Trump was president. SH said, how could it get worse. Which I tended to agree with.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...121218784.html

Now I'm starting to feel Ty might be right. The murdering of Palestinians continues and the food/medical/housing has gotten worse. I don't blame Trump anymore than I did Biden. Both have chose to turn a blind eye to the situation. Then again, who hasn't? Other than a, shame on you and let's sent aid, Israel has been given the freedom to do what ever they want to the Palestinians.

[TysonLPrice]

I remember a while back when Ty said things are going to get worse for the Palestinians now that Trump was president. SH said, how could it get worse. Which I tended to agree with.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...121218784.html

Now I'm starting to feel Ty might be right. The murdering of Palestinians continues and the food/medical/housing has gotten worse. I don't blame Trump anymore than I did Biden. Both have chose to turn a blind eye to the situation. Then again, who hasn't? Other than a, shame on you and let's sent aid, Israel has been given the freedom to do what ever they want to the Palestinians.

At least Biden never proposed turning Gaza into a resort. I believe, minus the experiments, the Israelis are topping what the Germans did to them. "Never Forget" turned into "Never forget as long as it isn't us". I can't think of anything so horrendous against a people in decades north of the equator. And the US is complicit.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's going a bit too far. They are being uncaring in their violence, but they haven't reached the level of systematic execution. Although, I would say that some of the people on the right wing of Netanyahu's coalition certainly sound like they'd be willing to go there.

[TysonLPrice]

That's going a bit too far. They are being uncaring in their violence, but they haven't reached the level of systematic execution. Although, I would say that some of the people on the right wing of Netanyahu's coalition certainly sound like they'd be willing to go there.

I really respect your posts but, BS!...deliberately starving people, eliminating medical help, denying basic survival? The aren't lining them up and shooting them in front of pits, but, the streets, hospitals, and evacuation routes suffice for them. Same death pits , no burning... They are slaughtering a people to clear them off the land. You do see that right? They are deliberately starving children for payback.

[TysonLPrice]

UN warns 14,000 babies could die in Gaza in next 48 hours without aid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-news-updates

Revenge is a ***** but payback is a .....

[Shaggy Hiker]

I really respect your posts but, BS!...deliberately starving people, eliminating medical help, denying basic survival? The aren't lining them up and shooting them in front of pits, but, the streets, hospitals, and evacuation routes suffice for them. Same death pits , no burning... They are slaughtering a people to clear them off the land. You do see that right? They are deliberately starving children for payback.

Yeah, I agree that it's terrible. I agree with almost all of that, but what the Nazis did was a level beyond even that. What we are seeing here is a careless, self-interested, violence focused on gaining some land without regard for those who live there. History has plenty of examples of that kind of warfare, especially in that particularly blood-soaked corner of the world. The Nazis did some of that as well, in eastern Europe. What they did to certain other groups, including the Jews, was a level beyond that. Israeli right wing actors want that land. They'd like it cleared, and they don't seem to care how it ends up being cleared, but it is the land they want. They are indifferent to the people on it. The Nazis wanted the people dead, they were relatively indifferent to whether or not there was land involved.

[TysonLPrice]

Yeah, I agree that it's terrible. I agree with almost all of that, but what the Nazis did was a level beyond even that. What we are seeing here is a careless, self-interested, violence focused on gaining some land without regard for those who live there. History has plenty of examples of that kind of warfare, especially in that particularly blood-soaked corner of the world. The Nazis did some of that as well, in eastern Europe. What they did to certain other groups, including the Jews, was a level beyond that. Israeli right wing actors want that land. They'd like it cleared, and they don't seem to care how it ends up being cleared, but it is the land they want. They are indifferent to the people on it. The Nazis wanted the people dead, they were relatively indifferent to whether or not there was land involved.

The Nazis just plain wanted them dead and didn't care about their land. I agree with that. The Israelis want the land and want them dead as long as they are on it. I think that is splitting hairs.

I realize I'm simplifying complicated world events. But the Israelis are being as cruel as any other peoples that have inflicted such punishment on others. With our help...

[wes4dbt]

Yeah, I agree that it's terrible. I agree with almost all of that, but what the Nazis did was a level beyond even that. What we are seeing here is a careless, self-interested, violence focused on gaining some land without regard for those who live there. History has plenty of examples of that kind of warfare, especially in that particularly blood-soaked corner of the world. The Nazis did some of that as well, in eastern Europe. What they did to certain other groups, including the Jews, was a level beyond that. Israeli right wing actors want that land. They'd like it cleared, and they don't seem to care how it ends up being cleared, but it is the land they want. They are indifferent to the people on it. The Nazis wanted the people dead, they were relatively indifferent to whether or not there was land involved.

After 75+ years of fighting I'm not sure there isn't a significant portion of Israelis that have reach a point of complete dehumanization of anyone in that area that isn't Israeli. Any of them they kill is automatically justified.

Maybe the same can be said about the rest of the world. Because they are openly killing innocents and no one has really done anything. In fact we supply them with weapons. I think this is what I find the most shocking.

[TysonLPrice]

I like seeing some outrage, too bad not from the US...

Israel’s Allies Condemn Expansion of Gaza War

Britain, France and Canada called the Israeli plans for escalation “disproportionate” and “egregious” at a time when the U.N. is warning the population is at risk of famine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/w...offensive.html

[wes4dbt]

I like seeing some outrage, too bad not from the US...

Israel’s Allies Condemn Expansion of Gaza War



https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/w...offensive.html

That seems sort of worthless. Israel doesn't care.

Lets see some meaningful sanctions. Boots on the ground would be great but I can't see that happening.

[Shaggy Hiker]

The Nazis just plain wanted them dead and didn't care about their land. I agree with that. The Israelis want the land and want them dead as long as they are on it. I think that is splitting hairs.

I realize I'm simplifying complicated world events. But the Israelis are being as cruel as any other peoples that have inflicted such punishment on others. With our help...

Yeah, it's splitting hairs for either of us to be arguing about the level of despicableness a despicable act is.

[Shaggy Hiker]

After 75+ years of fighting I'm not sure there isn't a significant portion of Israelis that have reach a point of complete dehumanization of anyone in that area that isn't Israeli. Any of them they kill is automatically justified.

That '+' is doing a whole lot of work on that 75. If you read the Old Testament, that's pretty much how Moses led the Jews back to Israel from Egypt. Thou shalt not kill did not apply to anybody who was not part of the tribes. For those people, extermination and conquest was the rule. Of course, it wasn't the rule for the Jews, it was the rule for everybody in the region.

[FunkyDexter]

That seems sort of worthless. Israel doesn't care.

Lets see some meaningful sanctions. Boots on the ground would be great but I can't see that happening.

I agree with both of you. It's nice to finally see some outrage but I don't imagine it's going to make any difference.

I think the only country that could make a difference is the US and I'm not sure even you guys could. Netenyahu sees the war as a means to hold on to power and doesn't give much of a damn about what the effects are beyond that.

[TysonLPrice]

I agree with both of you. It's nice to finally see some outrage but I don't imagine it's going to make any difference.

I think the only country that could make a difference is the US and I'm not sure even you guys could. Netenyahu sees the war as a means to hold on to power and doesn't give much of a damn about what the effects are beyond that.

I think my criticisms of Israel's policy on Gaza are justified and many people agree. I'm a little unnerved though because of the DC murder of the Israeli couple. I would hate that my criticism helps fuel behavior like that. In the end I don't think I can stop a nut like that and there is a need to voice to leaders discontent. But I can see negative criticism being fuel for bad behavior.

[FunkyDexter]

I would hate that my criticism helps fuel behavior like that.

I think that kind of thinking's a trap. I may disagree with you on the occasional nuance but I think criticism of Israel's actions is entirely valid and I think your criticisms have been entirely reasonable. No matter what you say there is always a chance that some kook will glom on and carry out some act you never intended - that's not on you and should not prevent you from making the criticism in the first place. If you'd issued a direct call to violence then you might share some responsibility but I don't think anything you've said has come close to that bar (at least, not on this forum).

That said, I do think we all could be a little more careful about how we express ourselves, particularly on written media like the internet where it's difficult to express tone. It's quite easy to write something meant as a joke and have it taken all too seriously.

[TysonLPrice]

CNN news has shown their priorities...less than a dozen people burned by a lunatic and it is 24/7 coverage; while thousands of children are being deliberately starved to death EVERY SINGLE DAY and barely a peep! Go America!

I'm not making light of the tragedy and pain caused...my comment is about CNN's priorities.

The BBC is leading with "Doctor describes 'total carnage' as 27 reported killed by Israeli fire at Gaza aid centre".

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg5vyp33j1t

[wes4dbt]

CNN news has shown their priorities...less than a dozen people burned by a lunatic and it is 24/7 coverage; while thousands of children are being deliberately starved to death EVERY SINGLE DAY and barely a peep! Go America!

I'm not making light of the tragedy and pain caused...my comment is about CNN's priorities.

The BBC is leading with "Doctor describes 'total carnage' as 27 reported killed by Israeli fire at Gaza aid centre".

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg5vyp33j1t

Something new and bizarre is going to get the lions share of the news. Israel murdering the Palestinians isn't new.

It's strange how any push back against what Israel is doing is somehow framed as antisemitism. When it's not that at all. I'm not talking about terrorist acts, like this latest attack, I'm talking about peaceful protests or public denunciation.

For such a small number of Americans they certainly seem to have a large amount of political influence.

[TysonLPrice]

For such a small number of Americans they certainly seem to have a large amount of political influence.

A lot more than the Ukrainians have...

[wes4dbt]

Just an update.

The US support of Israel hasn't diminished. It seems to be stronger than ever. Now we are attacking people outside the US that point out the crimes being committed in Gaza by Israel.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/10/g-s1-...or-abuses-gaza

Here in the US there is a strong effort by the Trump administration to label anyone who speaks in support of protecting the Palestinians as an antisemite.

Not our finest hour.