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    The answer is “Yes”. The Great Wall of China was effective to some extent in warding off the invasion of nomads from the north. However the barrier was not immune to the large-scale attacks and was broken through by northern nomadic tribes on more than one occasion
    It sort of feels like that. The Great Southern Wall. We haven't advanced much in 2,000yrs.

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    But they would rather use the situation as a tool against each other than working together on a solution.
    It sounds like they are in agreement on at least part of the solution.

    Funny now that the shoe is on the other foot Biden isn't being called a racist, fascist, and every other dirty word in the Little Red Book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    It sounds like they are in agreement on at least part of the solution.

    Funny now that the shoe is on the other foot Biden isn't being called a racist, fascist, and every other dirty word in the Little Red Book.
    I'm sure the Rep's would if it wasn't for the fact that whatever they called him would also apply to Trump. They can't really say what a terrible idea it is, their hands are tied.

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    Spin it all you want, I haven't heard of any organized protests against the policy now that Biden has reversed everything he's said on the matter for years now.

    Most of these issues are clearly just proxies, excuses for blind hate.

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    Too bad they are notoriously good at committing other peoples' money to their own poorly conceived notions.

    The Latin American wave is showing up at their doors. This time without hedge clippers or roofing nails and they are not leaving the neighborhood each day before the commuters arrive back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Spin it all you want, I haven't heard of any organized protests against the policy now that Biden has reversed everything he's said on the matter for years now.

    Most of these issues are clearly just proxies, excuses for blind hate.
    You haven't? Are you listening? Trump called them rapists and drug dealers (or something close to that). There was plenty of pushback about that, but it seems like about the same people and in the same way as the less virulent speech (or lack thereof) that Biden uses. In both cases, the policy ends up being the same: No solution will make it through Congress and every executive action ends up being thrown out by the courts.

    There actually WAS a bipartisan immigration bill, and here's a new one:

    https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/th...commendations/

    Note that the first one failed because the Republicans simply filibustered it. They'll likely do the same with the new one. Their underlying principle isn't JUST xenophobia, though there's plenty of that. They're pretty darn sure that immigrants won't vote for them and will likely vote Democrat, so it's an existential issue for the Republican party.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    It sounds like they are in agreement on at least part of the solution.

    Funny now that the shoe is on the other foot Biden isn't being called a racist, fascist, and every other dirty word in the Little Red Book.
    He isn't tearing babies out of mothers arms to send a message either...
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Republicans are always saying they need another Saint Reagan...I wonder how they would feel about him giving them blanket amnesty again?
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    I hadn't heard anything about the wall that Biden is building, now that I have, what's the objection? It's either 17 or 18 miles long. There's already 706 miles of border wall. Trump only added around 50 miles, so he didn't do much. A further 17 miles isn't anything. Biden says that he couldn't find any way to NOT do it, since Congress had authorized it, and that fits pretty well. If he wanted to build a wall, it would be more than 17 miles.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I hadn't heard anything about the wall that Biden is building, now that I have, what's the objection? It's either 17 or 18 miles long. There's already 706 miles of border wall. Trump only added around 50 miles, so he didn't do much. A further 17 miles isn't anything. Biden says that he couldn't find any way to NOT do it, since Congress had authorized it, and that fits pretty well. If he wanted to build a wall, it would be more than 17 miles.
    I don't know that I buy that Biden HAD TO DO IT. He did waive a couple dozen laws to allow the building to start.

    I'd say it was a political decision where the benefit from the optics that he's doing something about the border problem outweighs the blow back.

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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    It may well be, but 17 or 18 miles of wall is almost a joke....literally. I remember some kind of cartoon where somebody built a wall that was high, but really narrow. A different cartoon character was pointing out that they could go around this side...or around that side...I don't remember what cartoon that was.

    To put it in a bit more perspective, that distance is what I estimate for a good, moderate, day when planning a backpacking trip. Thus, I see it as talking about a nice days walk.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    17 or 18 miles of wall is almost a joke
    It's not much less than Trump built though...
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    It sounds like Bill Clinton started the wall. Biden was all for it. More was built under Obama too.

    Like a lot of knee jerk issues reality doesn't match spouted doctrine.

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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    It sounds like Bill Clinton started the wall. Biden was all for it. More was built under Obama too.

    Like a lot of knee jerk issues reality doesn't match spouted doctrine.
    I don't think any of them made a campaign promise that Mexico would pay for it though
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    The word "equivocation" comes to mind.

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    It may well be, but 17 or 18 miles of wall is almost a joke....literally.
    I agree, if you analyze it on the actual facts. But all the noise comes from politicians/media/ haters. Fair and honest evaluations is not their strong point. lol

    To put it in a bit more perspective, that distance is what I estimate for a good, moderate, day when planning a backpacking trip. Thus, I see it as talking about a nice days walk.
    It figures you would chose to walk 17 miles instead of just going over it. lol

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    That's a point, as well. A wall is useless unless it is patrolled. The existing wall has a road along it. The road is there for patrols. If the patrols aren't frequent enough, the existence of the road makes the wall even less useful than the current situation.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    The word "equivocation" comes to mind.
    A multisyllable word came to mind? That must have hurt
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    Sesquipedalian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapator View Post
    Sesquipedalian.
    The longest English word is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, which is forty-five letters long and refers to a type of lung disease
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    Although it's just Greek medical terms all mashed together. Except Ultra and Volcano that is Greek in origin but here transferred as Latin.
    The fun in that is that I more or less understand what the "poet" wanted to specify when he/she wrote it. Without even knowing the decease.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

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    Although it's just Greek medical terms all mashed together. Except Ultra and Volcano that is Greek in origin but here transferred as Latin.
    The fun in that is that I more or less understand what the "poet" wanted to specify when he/she wrote it. Without even knowing the decease.
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    The word "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" is often cited as one of the longest words in the English language. It is a technical and rarely used term, primarily coined for its length and not for practical communication. Let's break it down into its constituent parts:

    Pneumo-: This prefix relates to the lungs or respiratory system.
    Ultra-: A prefix meaning "beyond" or "extremely."
    Micro-: A prefix indicating something small or microscopic.
    Scopic: A suffix related to the act of observing or examining.
    Silico-: A prefix associated with silicon or silica, often found in dust or fine particles.
    Volcano: Referring to volcanoes, which can produce fine volcanic ash.
    Conio-: A prefix related to dust.
    -osis: A suffix indicating a condition, disease, or pathological state.

    When you put all these parts together, "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" becomes a very long word that describes a lung disease. Specifically, it refers to a lung disease caused by inhaling very fine silica or quartz dust, often found near volcanoes. It's important to note that this word is more of a linguistic curiosity than a practical medical term, as medical professionals typically use shorter and more precise terms to describe specific conditions.
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    I guess it was a medical prank.

    Pneumo Greek Pneumonas (lung)
    Ultra Latin
    Micro Greek Mikro (small)
    Scopic Greek aim something (not gun)
    Silico Greek Silikoni (not 100% sure bored to check)
    Volcano Latin
    Conio Greek , Socrates drunk the Conium
    osis Greek as said.
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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Do you think the Dems will help Scalise get the speakership? Might be a smart thing so you don't have to worry about someone like Jorden being elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    Do you think the Dems will help Scalise get the speakership? Might be a smart thing so you don't have to worry about someone like Jorden being elected.
    Better the devil you know...

    Steve Scalise was nominated by a majority of the conference, but did not have the support of 217 lawmakers needed to claim the gavel on the House floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    Do you think the Dems will help Scalise get the speakership? Might be a smart thing so you don't have to worry about someone like Jorden being elected.
    Hasn't McCarthy already endorsed him? That wouldn't surprise me. They're both Romneycrats, difficult to distinguish from the Clinton wing of the Dems based on policies, connections to foreign money, and disdain for working people and the poor. Scalise has even been known to refer to his faction as "King George" Republicans and himself as “David Duke without the baggage."

    Why anyone would promote his star rising escapes me. Unless of course they count themselves among Hillary's 2016 "winners" who prosper by standing on the necks of other Americans.

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    Sounds like Jordan also endorsed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Sounds like Jordan also endorsed him.
    Very grudgingly...he wanted the job.
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    House speakership stalled as Steve Scalise announces he’s withdrawing from the race
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-speaker-vote/

    And the shut done is now about to happen, sigh again, in a few weeks.
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    Well, hold on there's more!!! This probably means that eventually Trump's lacky Jorden will be speaker.

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    Jordan didn't have enough votes to beat Scalise. Does he, now? Probably not, unless those that oppose him drop their opposition. They might, just to end the embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Jordan didn't have enough votes to beat Scalise. Does he, now? Probably not, unless those that oppose him drop their opposition. They might, just to end the embarrassment.
    If they vote for Jordan then the embarrassment will just be getting started...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Jordan didn't have enough votes to beat Scalise. Does he, now? Probably not, unless those that oppose him drop their opposition. They might, just to end the embarrassment.
    My thought was that the radical right will support him and will never support a moderate. So, eventually the moderates will give in just so they can get back to business (and end the embarrassment).

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    Re: Next US government shutdown in a few weeks

    Who is this "radical right?" Is that the people who are tired of radicalism? You know, Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Who is this "radical right?" Is that the people who are tired of radicalism? You know, Americans?
    Oh, first time you heard that term??? Google it, lots of examples.

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    The question is what you meant by it. I suspect it is an inaccurate pejorative, intended to evoke an emotional response.

    Or just more bobble-heading from within The Bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    The question is what you meant by it. I suspect it is an inaccurate pejorative, intended to evoke an emotional response.

    Or just more bobble-heading from within The Bubble.
    I meant the few that are willing to oust there own speaker and are more than willing to leave the country without a functioning congress unless they get what they want. That action certainly isn't moderate. But you can use wat ever term you like to describe them. The term "radical" is very subjective. I'm sure there are some countries where this type of action isn't considered radical. Lets hope it doesn't become normal for our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    The question is what you meant by it. I suspect it is an inaccurate pejorative, intended to evoke an emotional response.

    Or just more bobble-heading from within The Bubble.
    It's the term most news outlets are using, left, right, or center, as far as I can see. The exact membership, I have never looked up, but it is a pretty small group, so no, it isn't "people who are tired of radicalism", unless you figure those people are so few in number that they can only elect a handful of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    The exact membership, I have never looked up, but it is a pretty small group...
    Winner take all elections produce a scenario where a "group" of significant size can only achieve insignificant representation. I'm pretty sure that point has been made here over and over again. Things get further distorted in State elections (Governor, Senate) and even more when elections get more local (House). Of course "more distorted" can probably be argued to be "representative" here.

    But which "group" is hard to determine from a label like "radical right."

    If I had to guess from the partisan tone here (where "party" seems to be duopolitan globalists but preferably those wearing a "D" on their chests) the group being tarred and bashed is probably anyone aligned with Trump or his policies at home and abroad.


    If that's not it then maybe there is something to say (and hear). Otherwise it is just the galvanic leg twitching of TDS which is pretty boring and meaningless.

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