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    It's strange that the Independent party can't make a better showing. They have the largest percentage of registered voters. I've been registered as all of them at one time or another. lol
    I have to register in a party in my state to vote in the primaries for that particular party. I knew people who had switched parties to vote for Obama to torpedo Hillary Clinton so I wanted revenge. I tried that with Trump...I switched to republican and voted for him in the primary because I thought he never had a chance and torpedoed other Candidates. People that know me well still tease me I voted for him.
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    I mean he was basically a 50's style big spending NY democrat who ran under the republican banner ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I see your point.
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    I'd agree with all of that. But I'd add, fixing the problem seems tremendously complex. There are so many groups promoting funding increases for there causes. Many of them I agree with. There is so much infrastructure that we need to catch up on. Then there's the no tax increases group. How do you "be responsible with your spending". Coming to an agreement of what is a responsible use of our taxes doesn't even seem possible. Even if you simplify it to, "don't spend more than you collect", your still left with the question of, should we spend less or tax more.
    It's not so much a responsible use of your taxes. Everybody has some opinion on that. That's what voting is supposed to sort out. If candidate A says, "I want to spend money on X" and candidate B says, "I want to spend money on Y", then the voters choose which way they want the money spent. That's the theory, anyways.

    In practice, how A or B wants to spend money tends to be subsumed by the culture wars. Difficult decisions are difficult. Culture battles are relatively easy. When it comes to paying for infrastructure, everybody knows that a certain amount will pay off handsomely at some future date, but nobody knows what part will pay out, how handsomely, or when. Culture wars are much more black and white.

    Republicans aren't going to win many votes running on cutting social security and Medicare. Those are theoretical goals for them, as both of those are socialist policies which go against the core of fiscal conservatism. They're both total loser issues in US elections. Culture wars are not.
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    Republicans aren't going to win many votes running on cutting social security and Medicare.
    I don't think that's an issue. it probably hasn't been for almost 20 years.

    Of course there's a media spin on that:

    How Biden Got Republicans To Run Away From Their History of Pushing Social Security and Medicare Cuts

    The President may not have extracted as clear a concession from the opposing party as he claimed. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy told reporters last month that changes to those programs were off the table in talks to prevent the federal government from defaulting on its debts. Yet the President was not exactly elevating a fringe GOP idea. Democratic strategists and conservative policy analysts have since marveled at how Biden was able to prod GOP leaders into running away from a position that was for years championed by some of their leading lights, including former House Speaker Paul Ryan.
    As I said, I think most of that is nothing more than spin.

    However at least there is agreement that some things are not negotiable. Can't we take that as a win?

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    I don't think that's an issue. it probably hasn't been for almost 20 years.

    Of course there's a media spin on that:

    How Biden Got Republicans To Run Away From Their History of Pushing Social Security and Medicare Cuts



    As I said, I think most of that is nothing more than spin.

    However at least there is agreement that some things are not negotiable. Can't we take that as a win?
    What makes it easy to spin is the republican "budget" proposes big cuts but it doesn't say to what. If they want a big percentage cut, and will leave the military and social security alone what does that leave, cut everywhere else. The democrats just fill in the blanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    I don't think that's an issue. it probably hasn't been for almost 20 years.
    It's not an issue. They certainly don't run on that. It IS still a principle that the intellectual economic wing of conservatism still wants. Since it's such a loser, it isn't mentioned very often, but it's still there. I don't disagree with the debate, either. The different schools of thought about economic theory SHOULD be debating policies, and they do. However, there are positions that are theoretical and positions that are practical. Any politician knows that "I want to end Social Security" is a sure way to lose, but "I'm opposed to socialism" is a winning position. The fact that Social Security is an element of socialism...well, that's not to be mentioned.
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    What makes it easy to spin is the republican "budget" proposes big cuts but it doesn't say to what. If they want a big percentage cut, and will leave the military and social security alone what does that leave, cut everywhere else. The democrats just fill in the blanks.
    I don't think that's quite fair, either. It IS what any politician would prefer to do, so I have no particular problem with the Republicans doing so. There are a couple reasons why it is what they'd prefer to do. First, it's always easier to not do work than do work. Second, when you cut funding, somebody is going to lose out. If you cut tiny amounts from very targeted areas, the people who lose out aren't going to have enough of a voice to do anything...but the cuts also won't do anything. Those are relatively easy, and totally useless considering the size of the US budget.

    What it really comes down to is that no matter who suggests what, so long as it is large enough to actually make a difference towards reducing the deficit, the other side is going to attack you for it. The result is that each side is trying to get the other to state what they are willing to do, but partly because as soon as they do, there will be attack ads out against them within a day.

    The only way to solve this impasse is a truly bipartisan action where both sides are fully, explicitly, responsible. That hasn't happened since the 90s, when Clinton was able to cut a deal with the Republicans with both sides explicitly sharing the responsibility and all that came with it.

    Right now, McCarthy might be willing to do that, but if he were to try, he'd lose the gavel, so he's trapped and nothing much can happen with a weak Speaker negotiating a losing hand.
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    I don't think that's quite fair, either. It IS what any politician would prefer to do, so I have no particular problem with the Republicans doing so. There are a couple reasons why it is what they'd prefer to do. First, it's always easier to not do work than do work. Second, when you cut funding, somebody is going to lose out. If you cut tiny amounts from very targeted areas, the people who lose out aren't going to have enough of a voice to do anything...but the cuts also won't do anything. Those are relatively easy, and totally useless considering the size of the US budget.

    What it really comes down to is that no matter who suggests what, so long as it is large enough to actually make a difference towards reducing the deficit, the other side is going to attack you for it. The result is that each side is trying to get the other to state what they are willing to do, but partly because as soon as they do, there will be attack ads out against them within a day.

    The only way to solve this impasse is a truly bipartisan action where both sides are fully, explicitly, responsible. That hasn't happened since the 90s, when Clinton was able to cut a deal with the Republicans with both sides explicitly sharing the responsibility and all that came with it.

    Right now, McCarthy might be willing to do that, but if he were to try, he'd lose the gavel, so he's trapped and nothing much can happen with a weak Speaker negotiating a losing hand.
    Even so it looks like he is willing to default saying "we passed the budget, it is up to Biden" knowing full well it isn't really a budget and it was dead on arrival. That is part of why I think it is going to happen this time. He is in a weak spot. Like never before that I can remember a group of very extreme right re publicans want to burn it all down. They have said as much.

    I started this thread thinking the default was definitely going to happen. A week ago I was thinking, "well - maybe not". Now I'm back to thinking it is a given. If you have a large group willing to elect a man that tried to overthrow the government I think that same group doesn't grasp or doesn't care what it takes to govern and would delight in a crash.

    There are also many of the same players that let the government shut down not that long ago.
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    Like never before that I can remember a group of very extreme right re publicans want to burn it all down. They have said as much.
    Kevin McCarthy? Extreme? Are you delusional?
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    I'm leaning towards them letting it crash, too. Something is going to crash, it will be either McCarthy or the debt ceiling, or the US, but something will happen.

    I went looking into what would happen. Everybody says it will be a catastrophe, but it might not be. There are many alternatives that could be taken, several of which would end up in court, but ending up in court is a way of kicking the can down the road. The US Constitution does have a clause that can be interpreted to say that US debts MUST be paid, in which case the Treasury could state that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and just opt to ignore it. That would certainly trigger a suit, but it would be an interesting one. If they didn't do that, the one thing they'd do would be servicing the debt, while everything else would have to wait. That would be similar to a government shutdown, just with a greater impact on senior citizens...who vote more reliably than other groups, so then it would come down to who was seen as being to blame. Typically, that has ended up being Congress.

    Either way, the credit rating of the US would be downgraded again. That would boost borrowing costs right away. The average person wouldn't see that directly, but the markets would be in turmoil, which would impact hiring and other business decisions.

    It wouldn't mean the lights go out across the country, cats and dogs living together, or anything like that, though, and that might well mean that it will be tried.
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    Kevin McCarthy? Extreme? Are you delusional?
    He isn't extreme, but to become Speaker of the House, he had to agree that any member can call for his removal at any time and for any reason, which means that if he angers anybody in his caucus, he will face removal. The fact that they don't have any obvious replacement won't stop him being removed. That doesn't make him extreme, that just makes him the weakest Speaker in a very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    He isn't extreme, but to become Speaker of the House, he had to agree that any member can call for his removal at any time and for any reason, which means that if he angers anybody in his caucus, he will face removal. The fact that they don't have any obvious replacement won't stop him being removed. That doesn't make him extreme, that just makes him the weakest Speaker in a very long time.
    In my opinion anyone that blindly supports, defends, and is willing to reelect Trump, like he does, is extreme. A lot of his members make him look moderate compared to him. I don't see how you can say anyone that is willing to go headfirst into the country defaulting is not extreme.
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    In my opinion anyone that blindly supports, defends, and is willing to reelect Trump, like he does, is extreme.
    This reminds me a lot of Hilary Clinton's basket of deplorables rhetoric, do you remember that?

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    ... I don't see how you can say anyone that is willing to go headfirst into the country defaulting is not extreme.
    I don't see how you can say anyone that is willing to perpetually increase the country's credit limit is not extreme.
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    This reminds me a lot of Hilary Clinton's basket of deplorables rhetoric, do you remember that?


    I don't see how you can say anyone that is willing to perpetually increase the country's credit limit is not extreme.
    I agree, all those deplorables are trying to trash the nations credit. I also agree Trump exploded the debt during his time.
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    I agree, all those deplorables are trying to trash the nations credit.
    Bees, honey, and vinegar or something.

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    I also agree Trump exploded the debt during his time.
    Yes. Trump is a terrible president who exploded the debt... continued the war in Syria... I could go on, but what's the point?

    To be honest, you give off the impression of being so incredibly close minded that you refuse to listen to anything that fits within vaguely defined parameters you've boxed yourself into. Every (non-technical) thread we've ever engaged in I never got the impression that you were open minded to anything. I don't mind engaging with you, to be honest it's kind of funny watching you resort to "orange man bad", but I want you to know the impression you give off to me at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dday9 View Post
    Bees, honey, and vinegar or something.


    Yes. Trump is a terrible president who exploded the debt... continued the war in Syria... I could go on, but what's the point?

    To be honest, you give off the impression of being so incredibly close minded that you refuse to listen to anything that fits within vaguely defined parameters you've boxed yourself into. Every (non-technical) thread we've ever engaged in I never got the impression that you were open minded to anything. I don't mind engaging with you, to be honest it's kind of funny watching you resort to "orange man bad", but I want you to know the impression you give off to me at least.
    I'm not going to return your unpleasantries but you should look up the word "projection".
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    During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post's fact-checker tallied the number as 30,573 by January 2021, an average of approximately 21 per day by the end of his presidency.[1][5][6][7] The Toronto Star tallied the number of false claims as 5,276 by June 2019, an average of 6.1 per day.[2] Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of his mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13] and the consistency of falsehoods a distinctive part of his business and political identities.[14]

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    I don't see how you can say anyone that is willing to perpetually increase the country's credit limit is not extreme.
    That is, by definition, not extreme. After all, the point everybody (including you) has been making is that both major parties have been doing this routinely. I suppose that there IS a definition of extreme that fits, but we aren't talking about it like "extreme skiing", we're talking about it as being well out along the ends of the bell curve. Something that everybody does is not well out along the ends of any bell curve, so it isn't extreme. Might still be unwise, but it isn't extreme.
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    I'm not going to return your unpleasantries but you should look up the word "projection".
    I think I'm pretty open minded. Way back when I think you were the person who convinced me that a flat tax was a bad idea.

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    During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post's fact-checker tallied the number as 30,573 by January 2021, an average of approximately 21 per day by the end of his presidency.[1][5][6][7] The Toronto Star tallied the number of false claims as 5,276 by June 2019, an average of 6.1 per day.[2] Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of his mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13] and the consistency of falsehoods a distinctive part of his business and political identities.[14]

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    That is, by definition, not extreme. After all, the point everybody (including you) has been making is that both major parties have been doing this routinely. I suppose that there IS a definition of extreme that fits, but we aren't talking about it like "extreme skiing", we're talking about it as being well out along the ends of the bell curve. Something that everybody does is not well out along the ends of any bell curve, so it isn't extreme. Might still be unwise, but it isn't extreme.
    That's true, I suppose it isn't extreme rather it is routine. Not sure which is scarier.
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    On a more fun political note,

    George Santos is in custody. lol

    I had noticed that the George Santos situation had went silent. Thought maybe it was being swept under the rug. But they hit him with some serious charges. Nice!!!

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    The average person wouldn't see that directly, but the markets would be in turmoil, which would impact hiring and other business decisions.
    The market crashing is the one thing that worries me the most. A lot of us don't have 10 or 15 years to wait for the recovery. I've been thinking about moving everything into some type of fixed income. That could cause tax problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    On a more fun political note,

    George Santos is in custody. lol

    I had noticed that the George Santos situation had went silent. Thought maybe it was being swept under the rug. But they hit him with some serious charges. Nice!!!
    Oh man, I was thinking the same thing. That story is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.
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    I think I'm pretty open minded. Way back when I think you were the person who convinced me that a flat tax was a bad idea.


    Orange man bad.
    That wasn't me but I think we have had more "pleasant' interactions then "unpleasant'. I've mentioned many times I'm rabidly anti-Trump and all his ardent supporters. I don't feel like that about republicans in the general population. I voted for Bush the first time. And it is not I'm closed minded about how I feel about republicans in congress, in my opinion, there just isn't any conceivable argument I can think of to justify reelecting Trump or blowing up the economy via a default.

    And in my post "I agree, all those deplorables are trying to trash the nations credit. I also agree Trump exploded the debt during his time." I blatantly and deliberately turned what you posted on it's head for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    On a more fun political note,

    George Santos is in custody. lol

    I had noticed that the George Santos situation had went silent. Thought maybe it was being swept under the rug. But they hit him with some serious charges. Nice!!!
    Yeah big time. The only think the didn't charge him with is screwing the guy out of his money for his sick dog

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    I suppose what I don't understand is that you don't want the economy to blow up via a default but the polar opposite of that is resuming business as usual. I guess technically speaking there isn't a binary in that you could raise the debt ceiling then tackle the underlying problem of overspending (or increasing the amount brought in by taxes), but you yourself stated that the debit ceiling has been raised 100 times. That's like a parent giving a child a credit card that they can't pay back, upping the limit, then asking the child to promise not to hit the new limit with no other repercussions.

    Practically speaking, if the legislative branch would force the conversation of drastic cutbacks it would be far more effective than kicking the can down the road a few more years. Then again, that is relying on the legislative branch to limit itself, i.e. no more omnibus packages, explaining to constituents that they won't be able to fulfill key campaign promises, etc. That's why this entire conversation is pointless. Do you honest think that republicans are going to do the hard job of limiting itself just to get a political win? I certainly don't.

    That's why I initially said we have a uni-party system, both republicans and democrats will do whatever it takes to keep themselves in power which is why the inevitable conclusion is a dramatic crash that will wreck the economy and potentially the country. Whether it is 1 year or 50 years down the road, at our ever escalating pace it will eventually happen unless something changes.

    Edit - By the way, I'm not naive or overlooking what would happen if the United States defaulted on its debts. It is just that decades of ineptitude have brought us to this point. I feel that while defaulting would bring us tremendous amount of pain now, that pain would be multiple times worse if we continue down the same path we are on now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dday9 View Post
    That's true, I suppose it isn't extreme rather it is routine. Not sure which is scarier.
    I can't decide, either. Running a deficit isn't necessarily a bad thing, but eventually it sure seems like it has to be. Currently, there is a near insatiable demand for US debt. If that started to dry up, then bond yields would start to soar. In fact, they've been doing rather the opposite. They're up, as one would expect since the Fed has been raising interest rates, but they've started drifting back downwards, which suggests that people are piling into US treasuries. If that were to keep going, there would be no incentive to be responsible.

    In a recession, running a deficit does make sense. In good times, though, it should be reduced to some extent. I think the US needs to keep several trillion dollars of debt because lots of people want it, still, it shouldn't keep on rising the way it has been.

    On the other hand, Japan has been boosting its debt for decades in a desperate attempt to get their economy growing. It hasn't worked, and they now have an impressive debt burden...that hasn't hurt them a bit, as far as anybody can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    The market crashing is the one thing that worries me the most. A lot of us don't have 10 or 15 years to wait for the recovery. I've been thinking about moving everything into some type of fixed income. That could cause tax problems.
    Not everything, I'd say, but you might strongly consider shifting a bunch in the next week or two. If the US defaults, I would guess that the first thing that would happen would be a massive market crash. It isn't that the US debt is tied all that directly to the market, it's that the market takes fright at any minor perturbation, and this wouldn't be a minor one. They'd flip their wigs. The big question is whether or not they'd then settle down. I think they will, but I have a longer horizon.
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    I voted for Bush the first time.
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    My bet is on the one who wanted to invade Iraq

    Get it, because they both wanted to.

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    Heck, they both DID. Not sure whether either one wanted to, themselves.

    It is pretty funny that they both did that, though. Like father, like son, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggy hiker View Post
    the first bush, or the first term of w?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    On a more fun political note,

    George Santos is in custody. lol

    I had noticed that the George Santos situation had went silent. Thought maybe it was being swept under the rug. But they hit him with some serious charges. Nice!!!
    According to the charges brought by prosecutors, Santos fraudulently applied to receive unemployment benefits when he was employed and running for Congress in 2020.

    “You can’t make this up: House Republicans are beginning floor consideration today of a bill that would defund efforts to crack down on unemployment fraud,” Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) said in a tweet. “On the same day that one of their own members was hit with a criminal indictment for unemployment fraud.”
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    Remember when republicans lobbied to end COVID relief for unemployment benefits because of fraud concerns? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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    I think this is just more posturing against the backdrop of the opening of our far-too-long election campaign season. You can see it elsewhere, such as the renewed clamping down of the Iron Curtain of censorship:

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    Pretty sad that those providing medical information have to flee to Rumble, etc. to have a voice.

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    Please tell me I'm funny
    I mean... you look funny

    I'm personally not convinced the reps will crash the debt ceiling. There's a vocal minority (possibly even a majority) that would certainly do it but the Dems only need to romance a few of the more moderate members to avoid it. I don't think McCarthy is really part of that vocal minority but he is a hostage to them. Of course, he's also hostage to everyone else in his caucus so he could lose his gavel regardless of the outcome.

    As for whether crashing the debt ceiling is better or worse than the slow death of perpetual overspending and an ever increasing debt burden... it's better but only because it gives time for something to change before you hit a catastrophe. I'm not convinced anything will change but at least it leaves the door open. Really, for something to change will require a genuine bipartisan caucus to agree on where to cut spending and, in an increasingly divided system, I don't see that happening. It's depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday9 View Post
    Pepperidge Farm remembers.
    You aren't old enough to make that joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    I mean... you look funny

    I'm personally not convinced the reps will crash the debt ceiling. There's a vocal minority (possibly even a majority) that would certainly do it but the Dems only need to romance a few of the more moderate members to avoid it. I don't think McCarthy is really part of that vocal minority but he is a hostage to them. Of course, he's also hostage to everyone else in his caucus so he could lose his gavel regardless of the outcome.

    As for whether crashing the debt ceiling is better or worse than the slow death of perpetual overspending and an ever increasing debt burden... it's better but only because it gives time for something to change before you hit a catastrophe. I'm not convinced anything will change but at least it leaves the door open. Really, for something to change will require a genuine bipartisan caucus to agree on where to cut spending and, in an increasingly divided system, I don't see that happening. It's depressing.

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    I don't know...in the CNN Townhall yesterday Trump encouraged them to "stand fast":

    In a televised town hall aired Wednesday evening on CNN, former president Trump said Republican lawmakers should hold steady on their stipulations that to raise the debt ceiling, large spending cuts must be instituted.

    Trump dismissed warnings that a default would be "catastrophic" not only for the American public but also for America's standing on the world stage, saying the issues is "really psychological more than anything else".

    https://www.businessinsider.in/polit.../100146190.cms


    It is unclear whether Trump thinks the U.S. economy would escape the debacle unscathed, adding: "It could be really bad, it could be maybe nothing, maybe it’s a bad week, or a bad day, who knows?”

    "I say to the Republicans out there, congressmen and senators, if they don't give you massive cuts you are going to have to do a default," Trump said during CNN's GOP primary town hall in New Hampshire.

    The former president then predicted that a default would not be necessary because "the Democrats would absolutely cave."
    What he says goes a long way with republicans.
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    I'm just glad the show is back on to be honest. Nothing more entertaining than a billionaire ex president telling a corporate media interviewer "you're a very nasty person".

    I really hope he gets back on Twitter where he was at his peak entertainment and give up that less popular one he built (what is it called like Truth Social or True Social Media).
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