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    QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    It seems that a parallel BASIC community has just gone "tits up" and exploded in a eruption of vitriol. That being the QB64 community. QB64 is a recreation of QBasic from the 90s, a 64bit 90version of the IDE, compiler and language. It had a site (qb64.org) , WIKI, forum, codebank, discord server. Almost all were erased after a main contributor handed over the site to an unknown and discussion turned to argument, in turn to troubles.

    https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-w...early-took?s=r

    I joined that community a few years ago but just as quickly left. It was full of politics leaking into normal discussions all the time, long time contributors acting as trolls, some questionable support for those long time trolls due to their essential contribution to the code meaning they could not be banned, very little moderation keeping the place under what we would consider normal control (No Shaggy there!)

    To my mind it was a mere matter of time before the community imploded or exploded. One or the other, and it did. Felippe Heitor was a very nice person but he lacked the strength to control a whole community by himself.

    It looks as if the QB64 community is having its fourth rebirth after previous incarnations also died. QBASIC > QB64.net > QB64.org > QB64.com.

    I thought that QB64 was a noble ambition but the community was fractious, always has been. Hopefully that will improve.

    One thing to extract from all that - the Discord community ultimately saved the QB64 project, I suggested once that we ought to have something similar, MatterMost, Discord or similar. Just a finishing thought.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    I joined that community a few years ago but just as quickly left. It was full of politics leaking into normal discussions all the time, long time contributors acting as trolls, some questionable support for those long time trolls due to their essential contribution to the code meaning they could not be banned, very little moderation keeping the place under what we would consider normal control (No Shaggy there!)
    Sounds like my kind of place. I've always thought the heavy handed moderation of the modern internet is downright stupid. This is not the internet I "grew up" on.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Get used to it

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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    When you ask a technical question on a particular subject, the last thing you need is a US right wing agenda or a Russia-invasion supporting troll giving you indoctrination at the same time. It is bad enough when a subject goes off the rails in a technical sense (as it sometimes does here). When you call them out and then become labelled yourself as being PC, a 'commie' or a 'nazi' depending upon which side you are naming.

    Difficult for me being called those names, being white, English, CoE, privileged, middle class and middle aged as well as having a communist grandfather, a socialist father but being rather right wing myself is that all their criticisms seem to stick regardless of the direction from which they came.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arnoutdv View Post
    Get used to it
    I never will.

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    When you ask a technical question on a particular subject, the last thing you need is a US right wing agenda or a Russia-invasion supporting troll giving you indoctrination at the same time. It is bad enough when a subject goes off the rails in a technical sense (as it sometimes does here). When you call them out and then become labelled yourself as being PC, a 'commie' or a 'nazi' depending upon which side you are naming.
    Sounds like a very interesting place to be. Online groups like this never bothered me. What bothers me is when people start banning on the basis of your views. If they let everyone have their say, I'm right at home.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Thank goodness for Shaggy.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    One good thing about bad news is that I suppose it attracts attention. Bad publicity is at least publicity.

    I just downloaded QB64 and installed it on my laptop and desktop where I am tempted to try it again just because it is a BASIC environment that I am very familiar with (QBASIC) that operates on multiple platforms. Nice to have a simple tool (IDE+language + compiler = simple?) that you can code in that will work regardless of the o/s (Niya's time to chime in). I unloaded it before but it was tainted by my negative experience with the QB64 forum.

    Strange how you associate an application with those that support it but that's human behaviour I suppose.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    (Niya's time to chime in). I unloaded it before but it was tainted by my negative experience with the QB64 forum.
    Well, what you want me to say?

    If you want to know my feelings about QB64, I would say that I'm extremely glad people are keeping it alive and giving it modern upgrades. However, this is not for any practical reason. It's entirely for sentimental reasons. QuickBasic is what I grew up in. It is where I learned the foundation of programming when I was as a child and I have many fond memories of my time in QuickBasic. It would hurt my soul to know that such a core piece of my own history has disappeared.

    However, I'm not about to start telling people that they should start writing all their programs in QuickBasic. I recommend that people try it, if only to get a taste of what programming was like in the 90s.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Oh yes they should....
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    it is a BASIC environment... that operates on multiple platforms.
    That was what I expected you to chime in on Niya but you missed it.

    I think of QB64 as a sort of extended batch scripting language that you can compile. VBscript is going out of fashion and QB64 is a gap-filler, at least I can see myself using it that way.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    That was what I expected you to chime in on Niya but you missed it.

    I think of QB64 as a sort of extended batch scripting language that you can compile. VBscript is going out of fashion and QB64 is a gap-filler, at least I can see myself using it that way.
    Haha.....If I chimed on this, I'd simply have said that one would be better off using Python instead. Python is almost as universal as HTML. It executes on more platforms than just about any other language including QB64.

    Don't get me wrong, I love QuickBasic but I'm still self-aware enough to know that my love for it doesn't make it the best choice. If someone asked me to recommending a multi-platform scripting language for serious work, I tell them to use Python.

    I would also say this though, QB64 could position itself in the same space as Python. It's such a perfect language for the kind of scripting that Python is used for. It would have to be upgraded on language features though. Iterators, lambdas, array and dictionary syntaxes are all things that should be in all modern languages.
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony.R.Brown View Post
    The Worst QB64 Forum ?
    Why? Do you have a specific beef?
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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Has Anthony.R.Brown vanished from the forum?

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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    So it would seem ... including all the spam posts made by his (alleged) alt account too.

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    Re: QB64 site and forum explodes into nothing, then rises like a phoenix?

    Thank goodness for that! It seems that any contact with QB64 seems to taint.
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