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    Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Hi,

    We have just completed a new programming tool called MixLangz.

    Here is a teaser video



    MixLangz is an integrated development environment (IDE) from Indic Software. It is used to develop computer programs. It can produce native code applications that run at blazing speed.

    Currently MixLangz support programming in two languages:
    1. Pascal
    2. Basic

    We will be adding more languages like JavaScript, C, Python, etc.

    The best part is that a developer can mix modules from all supported languages in one single project without any problem!! Imagine being able to employ developers from two different discipline to work on same project!!!

    - MixLangz IDE is designed to maximize programmers productivity
    - MixLangz IDE has all the features that are expected from modern development tools
    - MixLangz IDE’s memory foot print is very low
    - MixLangz IDE is blazing fast
    - MixLangz IDE supports mixing of both languages (Pascal & Basic) modules in single project
    - MixLangz supports data access from SQLite, MySQL, MS Access, etc.
    - MixLangz IDE comes with a powerful debugger
    - MixLangz has 50+ ready to use components/controls

    List of controls

    Standard Controls
    Main Menu
    Popup Menu
    Label
    Edit (text box)
    Memo (multi lint text box)
    Button
    Check Box
    Radio Button
    Combo Box
    List Box
    Panel
    Group Box
    Etc.

    Additional Controls
    Bitmap Button
    Speed Button
    Mask Edit
    Image Control
    Shape Control
    Splitter
    Etc.

    Windows OS provided Controls
    Tab Control
    Tab Page Control
    Image List
    Progressbar
    List View
    Tree View
    DateTime Picker

    Dialogs
    Open Dialog
    Save Dialog
    Font Dialog
    Color Dialog
    Etc.

    Data Access & Data Bound Controls
    ADO Connection, ZConnect & related controls
    Data Source
    DB Grid
    DB Navigator
    DB Edit
    DB Memo
    DB Image
    DB List Box
    DB Combo Box
    DB Check Box
    Etc.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    That is the most convincing video of them. Good work

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Is it available for download demo version or something?

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    The design idea of MixLangz is very similar to mine. When I plan to make a new Basic-based scripting language in the next 1-2 years, I actually want to make a mixed language of Basic and JavaScript.

    But I won't mix Pascal with VB, because these two languages are very similar languages.
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    Which BASIC is the IDE front ending? Is this your own interpreter and compiler or are you front-ending TRUE BASIC?

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by TTn View Post
    That is the most convincing video of them. Good work
    I have doubts that a serious programming environment can be promoted in this way.
    "VB code is practically pseudocode" - Tanner Helland
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    I think it can. The video shows what the IDE is doing and gives a good indication of what it plans to do. It is a video, nothing more. Given time I expect details of progress, perhaps a dedicated website and some more demos in the usual fashion. The video does exactly what it should do, promotes a product that is coming into existence, under development.
    It got you and I talking so that is some sort of successful promotion.

    I am unsure what you really mean... if you mean that you aren't convinced by a mere video then I can understand that but they aren't trying to get you to part with your money, at least not yet.

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    Indic, will this be a FOSS product or a commercial one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    I think it can. The video shows what the IDE is doing and gives a good indication of what it plans to do. It is a video, nothing more. Given time I expect details of progress, perhaps a dedicated website and some more demos in the usual fashion. The video does exactly what it should do, promotes a product that is coming into existence, under development.
    It got you and I talking so that is some sort of successful promotion.

    I am unsure what you really mean... if you mean that you aren't convinced by a mere video then I can understand that but they aren't trying to get you to part with your money, at least not yet.
    From a technical point of view, Daniel Duta's doubts or questions are justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingDataOnly View Post
    From a technical point of view, Daniel Duta's doubts or questions are justified.
    That's a different question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Duta View Post
    I have doubts that a serious programming environment can be promoted in this way.
    None of the products should be falsely promoted, or falsely advertised in an exploitative way. For example, TwinBasic doesn't have the ability to parse a vbp project file, but the website makes an ambiguous claim to aim for full compatibility with existing VB6/VBA. The Twin project now looks overly ambitious since it fell short in the preview, but they are using a good set of tools, so there may be hope still. Years away.

    The video in this thread looks like an authentic prototype/proof of concept. As I said, the most convincing of them.

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    The worry to me is that this tool is not BASIC-centric and thus is unlikely to be VB6 compatible. It might be useful tool for developing in general providing a nice forms generator for tools that don't currently have one but each language requires a different implementation as to how that data is stored and utilised. In .NET the form is defined in code, in VB6 it is described in the FRM file, in some tools that use .js it is stored as XML or CSS. I'd love to see a FOSS forms designer, then you could define the output as you require.

    As far as I am aware there isn't a FOSS forms designer that lends itself to easy modification of the output, if anyone knows one please do tell.

    As far as the code editor component is concerned I already have two editors, the VB6 IDE and RJTextEd.

    What it needs to tie it together is VB6 compatibility and an effort to tie it into one language.
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    Is it available for download demo version or something?
    Not yet. We are preparing for its launch.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by TTn View Post
    That is the most convincing video of them. Good work
    Thank you.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingDataOnly View Post
    The design idea of MixLangz is very similar to mine. When I plan to make a new Basic-based scripting language in the next 1-2 years, I actually want to make a mixed language of Basic and JavaScript.
    JavaScript is on out radar. We will be adding that language to MixLangz in near future.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    Which BASIC is the IDE front ending? Is this your own interpreter and compiler or are you front-ending TRUE BASIC?
    It is our own. I have never used True Basic.

    MixLangz supports two programming languages - Basic and Pascal and I believe True Basic does not support Pascal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    Indic, will this be a FOSS product or a commercial one?
    This will be a commercial version. We will give our developers a trial version so that they can test it before shelling out any hard cash.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by TTn View Post
    The video in this thread looks like an authentic prototype/proof of concept. As I said, the most convincing of them.
    The IDE is completed and fully functional.

    We are setting up related things like building web site, basic documentation, protection system, etc.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    I forgot to mention that MixLangz will be available only with 64Bit. We will not support 32Bit.

    Secondly it is not a VB6 replacement. We never claim that.

    We are also planning to make MixLangz cross platform so we will be releasing MixLangz for Linux as well as MacOS down the line. When building a cross platform development tool one cannot and should not try to clone VB6 even remotely as COM is not supported directly or indirectly in any other OS except Windows.

    But being able to program in multiple languages (currently Basic & Pascal) and being able to mix modules and forms created in different supported languages in one single project will give quite a boost to developers productivity.

    I believe this feature is not available in any other development tool that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndicSoftware View Post
    I believe this feature is not available in any other development tool that I know of.
    I though C++ Builder can mix C/C++ and Pascal. Even Visual C can mix C/C++ and inline assembly but this is just __asm part of the main language I suppose.

    What about .Net -- you can mix any of the languages.

    Or Kotlin?

    I'm not sure mixing languages feature drives flocks of dev teams to the environment. It looks like a good to have feature on paper though.

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by wqweto View Post
    What about .Net -- you can mix any of the languages.
    We had tried out .NET in 2017. At that time we could not mix modules or forms of different languages in same project.

    For example if we want to use any code written in C# in VB we have to build an assembly and then we could import that assembly in another project. This is different from what we are providing in MixLangz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndicSoftware View Post
    This is different from what we are providing in MixLangz.
    So you can mix languages by translating Basic to Pascal before compiling the binary?

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

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    So you can mix languages by translating Basic to Pascal before compiling the binary?

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    No, no, no. Not like that. What we do is convert both Basic and Pascal code into tokens when compiling. Tokens are language neutral. It is something similar to .NET's IL but not the same thing.

    Sorry, I cannot divulge more information at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndicSoftware View Post
    No, no, no. Not like that. What we do is convert both Basic and Pascal code into tokens when compiling. Tokens are language neutral. It is something similar to .NET's IL but not the same thing.

    Sorry, I cannot divulge more information at this point.
    No, problem. Hope you find commercial success with this project then.

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by wqweto View Post
    So you can mix languages by translating Basic to Pascal before compiling the binary?

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    For this problem, I think there are multiple solutions. I also have my own solution.

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Mixing languages might be a good idea, specially if it later comes to support languages like TypeScript, Python.

    Not sure if NSB/AppStudio already has something like that.

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Thanks for the link of NSB. I checked it. It mentions that you can either program in JS or in Basic not both. They provide Basic to JS converter.

    Lastly, all desktop apps created are based on NodeJS and one will have to use Electron infra for build native Windows Applications. Something that I really don't like as my experience is that such apps are more CPU intensive and require more RAM then conventional native desktop apps.
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    Ah, OK. I recalled that it mentioned that you can use Basic or JS but not the details.

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Just for everyone's information.

    We are creating our single page web site and setting up support forums.

    Once this is in place we will go live and everyone will be able to download Demo version of MixLangz.

    And those who want to purchase MixLangz we will be able to do so.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    Which BASIC is the IDE front ending? Is this your own interpreter and compiler or are you front-ending TRUE BASIC?
    Good Yereverluvinuncleber ...

    IndicSoftware ... Will you give more information about what your tool is? Or your software backend is top secret?

    thank

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    I will reveal necessary information in due time.
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Finally our support forums are configured and working properly.

    Here is a screen shot.
    https://imgur.com/a/2yi87f6
    We are testing our registration. Licensing system.

    Will be releasing Mixlangz soon!!
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    fix your attachment. doesnt work. better use "insert image" or a free online image posting site like postimage.org

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    Quote Originally Posted by IndicSoftware View Post
    Will be releasing Mixlangz soon!!
    we look forward ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingDataOnly View Post
    The design idea of MixLangz is very similar to mine. When I plan to make a new Basic-based scripting language in the next 1-2 years, I actually want to make a mixed language of Basic and JavaScript.

    But I won't mix Pascal with VB, because these two languages are very similar languages.
    There are many IDEs that Freebasic can use. You can also write code directly in Notepad, and use a free and open source compiler to directly generate EXE files.
    There are many free and open source IDEs developed in this language. If you develop it yourself, it is just a simple tool similar to a scripting language. If you are interested, it is faster to directly modify other people's open source projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTn View Post
    None of the products should be falsely promoted, or falsely advertised in an exploitative way. For example, TwinBasic doesn't have the ability to parse a vbp project file, but the website makes an ambiguous claim to aim for full compatibility with existing VB6/VBA. The Twin project now looks overly ambitious since it fell short in the preview, but they are using a good set of tools, so there may be hope still. Years away.

    The video in this thread looks like an authentic prototype/proof of concept. As I said, the most convincing of them.
    If you wait for the successful release of such a product, it is better to find some existing IDE software, which may be easier to use than his. Maybe different IDEs have their own characteristics and make up for each other.
    It is also a happy thing to find new and useful software and be a tester.

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    I have deleted several off-topic posts.


    xiaoyao, when you reply to a thread only post things that are related to the thread (this one is about MixLangz, so don't post replies that are just about other things)

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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    We are preparing documentation of MixLangz.

    Personally I believe that any product without a user manual or documentation is always harder to learn and use.
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    @ SearchingDataOnly
    why, instead of mixed, don't just stick with Basic? who knows, it may be a great world novelty your project in pure basic
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    Re: Introducing MixLangz a Visual IDE

    VB.NET,ASP,VB6,VC,Various languages can be mixed

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