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    Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Seems like a silly question but it is often used as an analogy of a business that is slow to change...

    https://brainmass.com/business/strat...trategy-437538

    Surprising, and as can be expected, you can find links to support yourself either way. Here is "proof" it is NOT true:

    https://asianintp.wordpress.com/2017...is-not-a-myth/

    Kind of impressive

    It turns out if you take out their brains it is true and that is part of the myth:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilin...l%20jump%20out

    My point is, and I'm just kidding around to have fun, you can always find something impressive looking on the web to prove your point.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    When I read this sentence:

    those past researchers were never trying to boil frogs
    my first thought was, "of course not, they were German. Had they been French, however...."

    Anyways, this reminds me of an attempt in grad school to figure out how far the common green frog could jump. A buddy of mine got an electric Lilli pad made for him. We'd put the frog on the pad, then give it the most mild shock we could. It was just enough to annoy the frog, at which point the frog would jump off the pad....and then launch itself so far as to make a mockery of any attempt we had to measure that initial jump. They'd jump just far enough to get off the pad, but then they'd make it abundantly clear that the initial jump meant nothing, but we had no means the measure the subsequent jump.

    Phooey on frogs. They kept us ribbeted for a couple hours trying to measure a jump.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    What this proves to me is that scientists are douchebags

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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Phooey on frogs. They kept us ribbeted for a couple hours trying to measure a jump.
    Maybe you are jumping to a conclusion. Maybe something was wrong with the frog. Maybe it was old and ready to croak.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    When I read this sentence:


    my first thought was, "of course not, they were German. Had they been French, however...."
    Ah, in some regions in Greece they eat frog legs, aka, my one side of relatives are from Epirus region. They are frog legger eaters.
    They also eat snails and lamp eyes and brains (braaaiiinnns) .
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    πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·

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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Are they epicureans? Epirus epicureans would be so very fitting.

    @Funky: There were some studies done back then that were totally bizarre. They weren't just hard on the frogs, they were hard on themselves: https://royalsociety.org/blog/2014/0...ific-injuries/
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Unfortunately completely different meanings.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Are they epicureans? Epirus epicureans would be so very fitting.

    @Funky: There were some studies done back then that were totally bizarre. They weren't just hard on the frogs, they were hard on themselves: https://royalsociety.org/blog/2014/0...ific-injuries/
    I guess I'm in their club...last winter it was around 11 degrees out. I went out in a T shirt to see how long I could take it. After a minute or so, I don't remember exactly, It started getting very painful. I went inside and thought I'd be warm right away. I was surprised when I started shaking uncontrollably. Don't try that at home
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    There were some studies done back then that were totally bizarre.
    My tongue was partly (only partly, mind) in my cheek but it's also worth reading up on Pavlov's experiments. We tend to think he just rang a bell and fed some dogs. What he actually did is actually pretty horrendous.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    I found that link because I was looking for a different link. I had heard some report of a few members of the Royal Society sitting around chatting in a room while a teapot boiled. I read about that in the context of how much heat the human body can take, so the suggestion was that the teapot didn't have any heat source causing it to boil, aside from the temperature of the room. In that link, there is a mention of somebody going into a room at 212 degrees F, which might have been the same story told in a different fashion.
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    From The boiling frog tale is not a myth:
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    Re: Will a frog jump out of slowly boiling water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I found that link because I was looking for a different link. I had heard some report of a few members of the Royal Society sitting around chatting in a room while a teapot boiled. I read about that in the context of how much heat the human body can take, so the suggestion was that the teapot didn't have any heat source causing it to boil, aside from the temperature of the room. In that link, there is a mention of somebody going into a room at 212 degrees F, which might have been the same story told in a different fashion.
    I looked for it but couldn't find it. It was a cartoon by Gary Larson and it was three or four scientists standing around a boiling pot of water with googles and clipboards. The caption was "works every time".

    "A watched pot never boils"...
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