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    I'm not really sure what point I'm making here or even if there is one. I just find this interesting.
    I didn't notice that before either.
    I anyway can say that here in my country I think that most people buy the narrative more than in USA.

    As an indicator, here we have 87% (76%) of vaccination against 74% (63%) of USA.

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    I didn't notice that before either.
    I anyway can say that here in my country I think that most people buy the narrative more than in USA.

    As an indicator, here we have 87% (76%) of vaccination against 74% (63%) of USA.
    I'd hesitate to say that it's because the people of our respective countries buy into it. I can't speak for other countries but in my country, a large majority of people got vaccinated too but if you listen to them talk about the pandemic and vaccines you will here some of the wackiest conspiracy theories ever conceived. No one where I'm from really buys into what the major powers of the world are saying with regards to the pandemic. We only got vaccinated because the Government is looking to make life more difficult for people who are unvaccinated and most people just want to get on with their lives.

    As for me, I didn't get vaccinated until very late into this pandemic. My personal reasoning was that I wanted to others to go first so I can be sure it's safe to take. Even then I only got vaccinated because it was becoming clear that discrimination against the unvaccinated could become a real problem. For example, our Government put out a statement stating that salaries would be withheld from their unvaccinated workers after a specific deadline. I have no idea what kind of cocktails they injected into me. It could have been orange juice for all I know but hey, as long as it doesn't kill me or worse, kill my manhood. I'm willing to risk it. I guess most people subscribed to a similar line of thinking.

    People just want to get on with their lives I think so we do what we must or dare I say, what we are forced to do. I guess sometimes it's just better to go along than to start a revolution even if what you're going along with is really for the benefit of the ruling elite and not for you.
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    Just looked up the vaccination stats for my country. It's 49.1% and I'm very sure that number will rise. No one here wanted to get vaccinated at all when vaccines finally got here. It wasn't until the Government implemented measures to more or less force people into taking it, did we start to see long lines of people trying to get vaccinated.
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    hard to say.
    my countrymen are quite brainwashed, but not all. so the "numbers" seems to be true here as well.
    around 20% are not buying it.

    its very hard to know exactly why.

    I can only talk about myself.
    Im not a follower. I don't care about social codes. I can say things that people usually avoid to not cause a scene. I wrote about the muster, that I didnt do what the military dude told me. so Im not very easy persuaded. I go my way. but that doesn't mean I can't compromise or be in a team.
    maybe that mindset makes it hard to hypnotize. as I see myself as an individual, unique, and I dont need to be part of a collective to find self worth. I actually can be alone without feeling lonely. contrary, I enjoy it. but that doesn't mean Im not social. but I can switch it on/off quite easily.

    another friend, is not like me at all. he is unsure about himself, living in the clouds, he is very kind, but sometimes too much and people use it. what I can see, he has a critical mind against the politicians, he's not a lucky guy, did struggle a lot, just a few years ago he finally got a steady job. so maybe thats the mindset? I can also see myself as that,

    when my class (at school) I saw the others, they all fit, they knew what they will go, what education and job, they have where more accepted by the group, I always felt myself as an outsider at that age, different. and my friend, as he explain his childhood, is similar. not that popular kid.

    not sure. but it seems you need to have some struggles in your life. where u didnt always get what you wanted, that you suffer or where bullied, or alone, or some tragic happened to you, or you stopped believing in the system, the teachers, the counselor.

    I believe if you life was a too comfortable and everything was already set for you, maybe your mind didnt train to see injustice, manipulation, a bully behavior. instead if you are more lucky, you believe in the system, and of course, why shouldn't you believe in your government. that gave you all the opportunities.

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    Having bad experiences is not the best way of learning. It is best to have the right information and paying attention to it.
    But most people need to experience adverse results to finally understand. That's human nature.

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    Dday is also American but he is skeptic about it, so it's not something only other countries than US people are against.
    As for vaccination, I couldn't do it due to a health issue (not that I would have) but I didn't wait to see how others react to the dose, I didn't plan on doing in because of the measures against non vaccination and certainty did not care what others thought of this. I just knew it was plain wrong in so many ways, call it a FY to the system if you like. They only chance in a million to do it is if they where kept their big greedy prune manipulating mouths shut.
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    Dday is also American but he is skeptic about it, so it's not something only other countries than US people are against.
    Yea, there are always exceptions. But I've found that in general, Americans tend to have a very overly optimistic view of the world. Sometimes I wonder if many of them know just how truly horrible the world really is. I mean take my interaction with West. He was extremely opposed to the idea that people are mainly driven by self-interest. You will get eaten alive where I'm from if you don't understand this basic fact of life yet this idea is strange to many Americans. They actually believe man's default setting is altruism. It always astonishes me.
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    So, why do you put up with it? You complained about people not doing something to better their life. If you live in such a hell hole, why are you staying there?
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    So, why do you put up with it? You complained about people not doing something to better their life. If you live in such a hell hole, why are you staying there?
    This is the perfect example of what I mean when I say Americans have an overly optimistic world view. I gave you a tiny view into what life is like in my home and immediately, you describe it as a hell hole. But what you do not understand is that to you such a place is hell but to me, it's the best place in the world. I'm built for a world like mine, but a typical American suburbanite is not. You cannot fathom the idea that such a place could actually be paradise to some people.

    Interestingly enough very recently I had a relative who has lived in US for something like 40 years who came back here intending to spend the rest of her life. She didn't last 2 months. Today she tucked tail and ran back to the states. Poor thing. I'm guessing she lived a life of sheltered convenience in the US and wasn't ready for the rawness of life here after a 40 year absence. She had way too many lofty ideas in her head about what life would be like here. The reality was just too much for her to bear. But to me, it's nothing. I'd rather be here than anywhere else. The thing about it is that it's all in your mind. It's all about your mindset.
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    I mean take my interaction with West. He was extremely opposed to the idea that people are mainly driven by self-interest.
    No, no, no! Your statement was everything people do is driven by self interest. Big difference.

    btw - My name is not West. lol

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    thats why we have integration problems.
    people that immigrate here, have it very difficult to integrate.
    theres tons of studies, one suggest its not really about your culture but your socioeconomically status that counts. meaning, a middle class in country X has more in common with a middle class in another country than a lower class from the same country. sure we could find faults here, its not my thesis.

    since Im a hybrid. from 2 different cultures I see structures in the cultures that others from here can't see.
    but theres people of different mix of cultures that have another way of seeing thing. so its quite dynamic and theres no uniform formula.

    for me it has always been that Im not 100% comfortable in any of the 2 cultures. I enjoy parts of both, but can't really fit in any. I feel more comfortable with people that are different, struggle, have an more open mind.
    I do however feel more and more comfortable in this country since I live here, so it seems to be about time as well.
    even if I have my strong identity I can easily adapt, its not that I want to change this country to something else, but I want to improve it. and thats normal for any person that are free thinking.
    but I can see that people from another country that struggle to adapt, they want to change this country to be more like their home country.
    and that astonish me, as many people are fugitive from a war and oppressed country. still they want to apply that mentality that didnt work there, here as well.
    that tells me how hard it is to change.

    the successful integrated people seems to be the hard working and middle or upper class, that has an education, are more intellectual. those seem to have it more easy to adapt.
    we also have people that came from a "similar" social structure. like Iran, as they where a socialistic country before the revolution. and it seems that made it easier to adapt here.

    anyway.
    Eduardo-, I think it is. the bad experience can "push you" out from your bubble.
    if your parents didn't teach you to be analytical, to be critical in thinking, guided you to allow multiple perspectives, you will be stuck in your willfulness.
    that is why you see people "doing the wrong thing" all the time.
    and I usually say, yes, they need to do it, to understand.
    when I try to tell some friend, this is not good for you, they will do it anyway, and if they avoid it because of fear, they don't grow either.
    they need to do wrong to open their eyes.

    but maybe, if you have enough experience of that, maybe you don't need to do it all the time. instead you can use your mind to understand the consequences of doing something. and hopefully thats enough for you to grow.

    not sure how to explain the mass formation. why some people are totally absorbed into the narrative while others are free.
    but I believe it has something to do with your need to be part of the collective.

    as my grandmother used to say (when I challenged her with some new thought) why do I need to change? when others changes I might as well.
    meaning, that for her, it was important that "others" changes, and if they do she would as well.
    it was also this mentality "others" that are not even close to us, seems to be the guidelines how to be.
    you need to be in certain way to be accepted by the "others". it was more important than to create a family that accepted each other.

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    the outright staggering levels of stupidity that leads to theories like the Earth being flat.
    I'll tell you a story.
    In 2006 it came to my knowledge that there were people actually holding that the Earth was flat.
    I could not believe that in Century XXI that was even possible.
    (Flatearthers were not famous at that time like they are now)
    I was curious what they had to say.

    I found a forum here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

    I went, started reading and participated in some discussions.
    As you could expect, their arguments are so weak. That the Earth is flat because is that what you see in your experience (I don't remember what they said about the ships going down in the horizon), that there is a conspiracy and all the images from the space are fake, things like that.
    IDK if they improved something, I didn't read now.
    Still, no one knew if the FE theory supporters really believed that or they did it for some kind of fun or whatever.
    It seemed like some really believed that, but it seems too crazy.

    But I found one that was not a flatearther, but his theory was that the Earth was a globe as it actually is, but was not moving, that it is still in the space.
    And that everything else is moving around it (the sun, planets, stars, galaxies, whatever).

    I told him that in that case, distant stars and galaxies that are at 13,000 millions light years away or more, would have to travel to a speed much greater than the speed of light to make a turn every 24 hours.

    He told me that that was not a problem, that in Einstein's Relativity theory it is fine to suppose that, and that all calculations support that.

    I told him about Coriolis force. He said that there is no problem with that, or anything. That the math worked anyway.

    I didn't know what to think about that, and decided to ask the people that understand the subject.

    I went to an Usenet newsgroup that I used to go and posted the question. On that group there were some guys that were really intelligent, they were physicists, university professors of physics or students.
    Those were the good times of internet, when it was really democratic, and anyone could easily find where to ask an expert in a field.

    To my surprise they didn't answer that what the guy said was not right.
    They said that the Galilean cosmology was preferable to the Ptolemaic System because of its simplicity, not because the Ptolemaic one was "wrong".
    Humm? WT...

    Of course I was a bit lost.

    Then someone said that I was being "a naive realist", and pointed me to read this: https://www.boogieonline.com/seeking/

    I highly recommend to read it for someone that wants to understand how science works.

    They also pointed me to read an Einstein writing about two rotating spheres in the Universe (as they were alone), one rotating regarding the other one. It is an interesting thought experiment.
    I don't find it now, but I think it could be here under the section Relativity of Inertia ("Mach's Principle").

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    yeah. that is why the science can not tell for sure how things work.
    even if they try. with all kinds of machines and testing to figure out things.
    right now they are like very close to what happened just after big bang, but not how it happened. and because of that, we are not sure that anything is correct.

    they also talk about structures, that after big bang, the universe didnt allow energy frequency to be in a certain level,
    example:

    when big bang started, you "room" was 10x10 in size. and if u look straight forward u saw your own backside.
    in the same time, you could only see one color (example RED), the other colors didnt exist and couldn't be created at all. no matter what u did.
    this principle would say that everything was like that, sounds, waves, energy, everything was limited to what the room could handle.

    right now the space between atoms are increasing, that goes hand in hand with the universe expanding, like a balloon.
    now its so big, that its hard to understand its structures.
    do we really see a galaxy when watching the night sky, or are we seeing the same galaxy repeating itself?
    example: galaxy A age 1 you see in position X,Y,Z, but the same galaxy you also see in another position, but age 10
    we can not be sure.

    we also have shadow galaxies, that we can not see at all. those should be created by anti-matter.
    this could explain some phenomena how visible galaxies moves. do we know? nop. we are not sure either.

    if theres anti-matter galaxies, it would mean there could be civilizations in those galaxies. and for them, we are the anti-matter.

    we also have different cosmological theory.
    one is that the center is empty, and around it we have something moving, like a solar system, a sol and planets moving around it.
    but here, the center and the planets are nothing.
    what this guy suggest is that only when the "planets" collide, its when it became "real".
    that means, we could have billions of universes in the same spot but we can only see 1, the one that we are part of.
    since this moving nothingness will create different "reality" depending on where on this structure we have collisions.

    so, talking about cosmology, theres just theories, but not 100% facts. even if we can reach a 99% surety, its not 100%

    that will apply to what Eduardo- is telling. we can not be 100% sure of anything. but we can be 99% sure.
    but that little change in that 1% could change how everything really works.

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    One key feature of true science is being able to repeat the experiment.
    How can one be supposed to repeat the Big-Bang to check whether it actually works?

    In science, most theories that seems to work (*) on paper have problems when actually tested.

    (*) And the Big-Bang theory has problems already on paper, but they don't tell you that (you can study them anyway). It is another narrative that is presented as "the truth".

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    another thing that fascinate me is logic. that is used by many disciplines as the base.
    the initial "fact" is

    A = -A is false or A can not be -A

    and from there they add more and more rules.
    but what if this is actually so. that A is indeed equal to -A

    sure, to explain that it will be something very hard.
    maybe so hard you will need to explain the entire universe and how everything works
    and that would make this very complicated.

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    I like logic very much.
    It is interesting that there are a lot of logical fallacies.
    Some things can seem right at first sight, but induce you to erroneous conclusions.

    The machinery of lies uses them a lot.
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    We have words from darn near every language that is spoken anywhere around Europe, the Middle East, and so on, including made up words, acronyms that have become words, and every other fantastical formulation. English is very much the mutt of languages.
    Something I find interesting is the different accents across the country. Early in our history we had the thirteen colonies and they were relatively isolated. Accents were pretty much localized. As the country expanded westward accents tend to blend and are less distinct. By the time you are in California you are accent free. But I guess that is an accent in itself.
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    yeah, logical fallacies is when u mix logic with emotions.
    and we are an emotional creature.

    sure those people that are good in rhetoric usually seems quite emotionally disabled.
    they can get away with it a bit, but if they keep doing it, eventually I just get irritated and will not listen anymore.
    I get the feeling: how can I believe in a person that doesn't seem to react to anything.

    to be too logical can also lead to psychopathy.
    people that don't care anymore.
    that is why populism works, (even if that could also be manipulation), people will see the politician react. they are "human" and people likes that.

    the downside is that its hard to choose.
    sometimes u need emotion to be present, that helps to see past some logical errors that the counterpart has.
    and sometimes u need to just stick with logic, as the emotion can stop your arguments, if that person has strong emotions against, maybe a person, or a institution etc.

    if we think about politicians, they are the expert in this subject.
    practical philosophy, is what you study to be a good politician or consultant.
    and if you study that, its all about manipulation.
    they tell you "you need to learn how to sell this item in the best way" even if you don't believe it yourself.
    quite terrible that they teach you that. where's the moral here?

    but its the downside when they spit philosophy into different faculty.
    they remove the moral and just use the practical use.
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    Humm, I think you are mixing many things.

    I never related fallacies with emotions, but now I'm thinking that you are right. In many fallacies emotions play a role.

    Still, it doesn't mean that emotions are bad per-se.
    Not at all, emotions are good as far as they are in the right place.

    It is like a car engine, there is water, there is oil and there is electricity. If you put water where there need to be just electricity, it will malfunction.

    If you need to resolve an equation, you cannot alter the result according to your emotions. You will err.

    Psychopaths are persons that have a kind of mentally disability that they don't feel any empathy for others. They can show like they care about others, but it is all fake. They manipulate other's emotions for their convenience.

    Populists manipulate emotions of people, not sure if they are all psychopaths.

    Many politicians apply seduction. "Seduction" in this sense is not "sexual attraction" but the art of... lets say hypnotizing and deceiving. Like a con man. When the victim realizes it is too late, or there is already another seduction on course.
    Or may be a group in society got some true benefits for themselves and that's why they support the politician or party even when he has harmed most or many people.

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    and if you study that, its all about manipulation.
    they tell you "you need to learn how to sell this item in the best way" even if you don't believe it yourself.
    quite terrible that they teach you that. where's the moral here?
    Most today's companies have no morals or values. Their only goal is making as much money as possible. Not different than a criminal organization. If they don't do more wrong, is for not going to jail or having plaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduardo- View Post
    Most today's companies have no morals or values. Their only goal is making as much money as possible. Not different than a criminal organization. If they don't do more wrong, is for not going to jail or having plaints.
    And they are run by psychopaths (I'm talking mostly about big companies).
    It have much to do with what is happening with this pandemic.

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    emotions is something wide.

    lets say, a younger person, uses emotion for communications that are easy to identify.
    while older persons , they learn to control the outburst. they can also use it for their own advantages, like you wrote: seduction.
    is an art to stimulate the other person by playing with their emotional state.

    usually emotions are linked to primary needs, that are about survival instincts.
    not always obvious, but the person gets "emotional" when it looses in game, when he sees someone successful, when theres a discussion, its not just about right and wrong but about the emotional state to lose that can create frustration and despair.

    when emotions are "good", its instead a person that are in balance with his emotions.
    that usually require a person with insight, understanding and resolved different issues that are mostly connected to his family, childhood etc.
    a balance, is when emotional stimuli from the outside can be easily absorbed without the need of an reaction.
    its a stability, a strength in that person to allow this. we could say he is mindful. accepting his whole person, without the need to get approval of anyone else.
    that is a sign of a more primitive emotion that we can see in a younger person. that want attention from his parents and want to compete with them.

    now, in my life I see a lot of this.
    people are arguing with each other to get approval, an emotional state. the context of the argument is secondary.
    that is why is very difficult to win an argument against an emotional person.
    its much easier to "manipulate" that person using emotions, doing so, he will agree with you much easier.

    so, how can we decide what emotion is good and what is bad?
    intentions? your own interest? benefit to who?

    if the person has an agenda and he know he will get successful if he win the debate
    now, that emotion will be "good". he will use it as a boost, to be charismatic, strong, self-confidence.
    but emotions per-se are not telling if its good or bad what he is doing. it could lead to war and destruction.

    in the same time, a bad emotion, could make a person stand up. I will not stand to this injustice, I will fight.
    that emotion can of course change into strength, if he gets enough people joining his resolve.

    emotions play a role "how" we communicate. while logic, is the tool-set we are using. a skill.

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    so, how can we decide what emotion is good and what is bad?
    In the example of the car engine, when water is in the place where it has electricity is bad.

    In human, it is complex. I don't think there will be a general formula to define when emotions are good and when are bad. It depend of many factors.

    But I could say that fear most of the times it is bad.

    Mass formation has a lot to do with emotions, with putting emotions in the wrong place.

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    exactly. fear.

    we read about war and famine, we see news about mass shooting, terrorism.
    movies that is often about killing, crimes, mass destruction.
    while we also avoiding fear as much possible. and if theres some bad emotion, we take drugs, alcohol
    or we stay home all day playing games, its all about avoiding it and be scared that it will not come here.

    now, the pandemic, and the media and government is using it to scare everyone to death.
    people will demand to be saved. now they are ready. they can start the mass formation.

    maybe we should create a new thread called "mass formation"

    the subjects will be:

    - of course mass formation
    - covid/vaccines in a "mass formation" understanding
    - the great reset/world economic forum. is mass formation created by them, if not by who and why? and if natural, how? coincidence?
    - the human mind, psychology, sociology, philosophy.
    - conspiracy theories.
    - mass propaganda, lies, manipulation from media etc.
    - and more

    I think it can fit all. and leave this thread, to just be about corona news from media.

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    maybe we should create a new thread
    OK, you do?

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    I don't think it is for any of us, mods included, to decide what and what doesn't qualify as misinformation except only in extreme cases such as the outright staggering levels of stupidity that leads to theories like the Earth being flat.
    I'm not directing this at you specifically...just jumping in in the thread at this point...

    except only in extreme cases such as the outright staggering levels of stupidity
    And who decides that? The two I mentioned are spreading absolutely false information that, maybe not affecting people at this site, adds to the 'global campaign" of misinformation that is killing millions. If the position here is people are smart enough to disregard it I'd agree. But tolerating this, not just here but across the forums, adds to people dying.

    And it seems ludicrous that if I post the text "****" here I'll get a warning or knocked off from allowing to post but a couple of people can continue to post outright lies and falsehoods. What is more vulgar, a swearword, or harmful speech that has been proven to, by spreading falsehoods across the globe, to be killing people?

    Suppose a couple of posters managed two squeeze in holocaust denial? Post after post for weeks how it wasn't true. Blog and podcast after another of people that "prove" it didn't happen. Telling anyone that disagreed they were ignorant and the enemy? Is the approach at this forum , well the people here know that isn't true?

    How about if I got into race hate and fear mongering, is that crossing the line? Probably...

    My point is there are some posters here that are flat out lying in a way that can be harmful. In total, across the internet, tolerating that is killing people, I don't like that this site is being part of allowing that. But I do respect this site allowing that only in the vein of free speech.

    Ok; Which will get me a warning here from the moderators...Vaccines are worthless, the government is lying and resist any health measures because they are lying , masks are worthless, Kill Fauci , or posting F**K?

    Where are the moderators priorities?
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    I gave you a tiny view into what life is like in my home and immediately, you describe it as a hell hole.
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    No, I didn't use that term until you had posted again and again about how difficult, dangerous, and challenging life is where you are. You've been relentlessly negative about your own home. I've never heard a single positive statement about the life you live and where you live it and LOTS of negative statements. Eventually, I just ended up summing it up, but it is based on your descriptions, not mine. Start talking more positively about your life and you won't hear anything like that statement from me. As long as you make it sound so relentlessly miserable, then you sound like those people I worked with in that valley where nobody had any dreams because they couldn't imagine a life outside that valley.
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    Shaggy Hiker: You mentioned diabetes being part of my friends months long struggle with Covid. He is still bed-ridden and very weak. His diabetes went from pills and diet to control it to now he needs insulin injections.
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    Resolutive results with oral corticosteroids for patients with COVID-19 in
    pulmonary inflammatory phase. Successful outpatient experience during
    the collapse of Belém do Pará Health System - Brazil.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medr...19949.full.pdf

    and here a video of:
    World doctors come together to tell European Parliament Members that EARLY TREATMENTS EXIST AND WORK.
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    From what I'm reading and not seen on the controlled media (yep I'm having a case of Baka-sis ) the prime of Canada has been fled to an unknown location and vaxbies politician are warned that they might get raided in their own houses. Let's truly hope so!
    Also today our parliament is discussing aii, I don't know how exactly to translate, reproach against the government? Meaning if over voted we go to elections. It will not happen cuz the monkeys are holding so tight to their chairs that they could bend iron but the drums are starting to roll all over the world for the vaxbies. Sweden, Denmark, Czech de-lockdown on everything, covid is over and investigations might take place. Canada was the spark?
    Do you hear the drums rolling vaxbies? DO YOU?! Drum drum drrrum druuumm do-do druuum druum drummm...
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    https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-89-en:a
    Matthew Ehret (Journalist, lecturer and founder of the Canadian Patriot Review)

    history about what the people in power that affected us for 300 years
    and that could lead to the great reset

    https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-89-en:3
    Thomas Röper (Free Journalist and book author) & Alex Thomson (former GCHQ officer, focused on former Soviet Union)

    2 parts, the second with Alex Thomson (the one I watched)
    about his knowledge of intelligence agencies, so making connection between different agencies,
    different missions and purposes etc.

    both very interesting and highly recommended.
    a good way to understand the current conflicts and what this pandemic could be all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapator View Post
    From what I'm reading and not seen on the controlled media (yep I'm having a case of Baka-sis ) the prime of Canada has been fled to an unknown location and vaxbies politician are warned that they might get raided in their own houses. Let's truly hope so!
    Seems over blown. It has been reported in a few places, so they do appear to have moved somewhere. If Canada has the lax security that some countries have, that would make sense.
    Also today our parliament is discussing aii, I don't know how exactly to translate, reproach against the government?
    In the US, that would be essentially a recall. It isn't the same thing, though. You have the ability to force early elections by votes of no confidence and the like. In other words, you can signal confidence in the government during sessions. We only have the recall, which is a fairly different thing. They also very rarely work. They can happen at state, local, or federal levels, and generally require some number of people to sign on just to get the recall election. Getting the number of people to sign on isn't easy, but not too hard. All you need is a small percentage of disgruntled people. It can be quite small, too, because most recall rules are based on total number of signatures, not percentage of the voting public, and either way, the numbers are small. So, if you have 5% that really hate some politician, you have enough to get a recall vote so long as you can find that 5%, but if that's all there is, you will lose the vote, because only a fraction of the 95% have to turn out and the recall will fail. For that reason, recalls very rarely work.

    Your votes of no confidence are a simpler process in the end, in most cases, because they aren't a vote of the entire country. In a way, it's a bit nuts what we are doing: Have an election to determine whether or not to have an election before the normal election. Some recalls at least combine the first two such that it is, 'have an election to replace the incumbent with somebody else.' Still expensive, though.
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    the truth will set you free? seems not to work here.


    ---
    what is balance?

    humans in earth are not in balance. that we can see.
    but why and who started it and why he started it, for what reason?
    the reason I say "started it", is that we are connected to our past, our ancestors.
    what they did affect us now.

    in genesis books is about the sin.
    sin of knowledge? is there a price to pay for that?

    if we lived in harmony, theres no evolution. we are in peace, we dont need anything, we are not sad or happy.
    we don't need to achieve anything, since theres nothing to prove. we had everything but in the same time we had nothing.
    how can you appreciate it when there was not struggle to get it.

    everything goes in circles, it seems theres no solution for the whole population.
    sure we have individuals that seems to go in a more balanced path, they find their purpose, they find peace.
    but most of the time, we have a world of struggle. theres beauty, but a lot of pain and misery.

    if theres a war going on. is this because of our greed to be free and have knowledge?
    we wanted that and the price is slavery and censorship. we burn books and they enslave us.
    until its time for a new revolution, because we want our freedom and we need knowledge.
    thats the "balance". thats the price we need to pay. or can we escape it?

    follow the truth seems to be a way of doing that, to unlock the chains.
    by understanding your sin, when you can accept your past, your ancestors what they did.

    its time to resolve your sins and those of the past.
    if you can't we will again repeat the same mistake they did in the past.

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    https://tessa.substack.com/p/neil-young-pfizer

    Neil Young, the Incidental (?) Prophet of Pfizer
    Half of his catalogue is owned by an investment fund with ties to BlackStone.

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    Unless I missed something, a tread was locked with no apparent reason.
    Also that thread was taking the load of this one.
    Even if those 2 where driving me nuts with continued bombardment I want to state for the record that I'm highly against what happened in a Chit-Chat thread.There was no profanity or spamming.
    Of course I' not going to die over it, my life is not depended of a chit-chat but it was annoying so I'm mentioning it.

    Again, unless I missed something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapator View Post
    Unless I missed something, a tread was lock with no apparent reason.
    Also that thread was taking the load of this one.
    Even if those 2 where driving me nuts with continued bombardment I want to state for the record that I'm highly against what happened in a Chit-Chat thread.There was no profanity or spamming.
    Of course I' not going to die over it, my life is not depended of a chit-chat but it was annoying so I'm mentioning it.

    Again, unless I misted something.
    The first thread that Baka started, he posted a video that showed a fake but infamous decapitation about one minute into the video. Alot of members and non-forum members watched it. I also saw this disgusting part of the video, which to the wrong person will distract from the videos message, and set them off to do something horrible.
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    Aha.
    OK, that, I missed.
    So I take it back.

    (Although I have watched much worse in horror movies but that is not for everyone's eyes)
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    it was just an excuse.
    the same with Neil Young, that I posted recently.
    his act against Joe Rogan is simply because Neil is owned by BlackStone. and what do we know about BlackStone?
    yeah. big pharma. so ofcourse. everything that goes against the narrative we need to cut out.

    no democracy, no freedom, nothing. we need to follow the narrative like in a communist country.
    if you dare say anything against the narrative you need to be removed.
    and thats what happened here. we are removed because we are not following the narrative.
    of course we can not have our own channel discussion this matter. no we need to be here so you can play masters.
    shut us down, tell us how bad we are, how wrong, how false we are. so you feel good about yourself, that you did the right decision, that following the narrative is the right thing.

    even if more and more people are now going against the narrative, its hard to break.
    its connected to media and politicians, they own everything but not everyone.

    it will be very interesting to see how you will react when we will finally get out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapator View Post
    Aha.
    OK, that, I missed.
    So I take it back.

    (Although I have watched much worse in horror movies but that is not for everyone's eyes)
    You can see much worse things anywhere, but they aren't allowed here. Note the pruning of images from the Post Race thread, and so forth. The lines on this forum are much more cautious than they are in other parts of public media. Technically, the only totally safe place to draw the line on a programming forum is to eliminate CC entirely and leave it as just programming. I think that would make the site clearly worse, but it requires that people self police when it comes to certain images and language. People are usually quite good at that, here.
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