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    I think there are true values in traditional feminism, women now vote, they are independent, etc.
    But this new wave of feminism is something else.

    It is one of the things promoted by these groups, other being the gayism (IDK if that word exists), now you cannot say that it is a perversion or something that they don't like.
    Also veganism, all these things are promoted by the mass media, politicians and of course, in the root from these groups.

    I also suspect that climate change theory is promoted by them. Not only suspect, it is quite clear really. Aside from the fact whether there is truly a climate change happening or not, and if that is caused by the human activity or something else.

    They have an agenda, they try to destroy family and values, whatever good the human has. They want to pervert everything, as much as possible.
    That's what I think, but of course, I think that the real origin and force behind all this evil is not human (and I'm not talking about aliens).
    I agree with every single thing you just said here.

    In addition, I'd say the true goal of this modern bastardized version of classical feminism which as you pointed out is just and right, is to turn men like this:-


    into men like this:-


    Men like the latter are soft and weak. They don't fight back or resist in any way. They will just bend over and take it. The French revolution is an example of what can happen when you have a society of hardened people that are fed up with the nonsense of their rulers. Men that share resemblance of the man in the latter picture are not the kind of men that chops of the heads of their corrupted leaders. They'd more likely to throw up at the sight of a little blood. This is what the rulers of our day want, a society of men like that and this constant war on men in the media is the means to achieve it.
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    I agree with every single thing you just said here.

    In addition, I'd say the true goal of this modern bastardized version of classical feminism which as you pointed out is just and right, is to turn men like this:-


    into men like this:-


    Men like the latter are soft and weak. They don't fight back or resist in any way. They will just bend over and take it. The French revolution is an example of what can happen when you have a society of hardened people that are fed up with the nonsense of their rulers. Men that share resemblance of the man in the latter picture are not the kind of men that chops of the heads of their corrupted leaders. They'd more likely to throw up at the sight of a little blood. This is what the rulers of our day want, a society of men like that and this constant war on men in the media is the means to achieve it.
    That's insightful, I didn't think that way before but I believe you are right.
    They are preparing the society for having as little opposition as possible.

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    A couple of years ago I started watching Star-trek Discovery.

    Do you remember captain Kirk and Mr. Spock?

    Well, it has very little to do with that.

    The two first seasons were more or less OK, too fanciful and with some things that made little sense, but somewhat enjoyable.

    But in the last seasons the characters are gays, women, aliens and may be some black guys.
    No white hetero male.
    Yea, I've seen Star Trek Discovery and it's just disgusting the amount of social justice garbage that has been written into it's scripts.

    The event in that show than literally got me steaming mad was the promotion of Ensign Tilly to first officer. She literally got promoted because she was a nice person that didn't offend anyone and was tolerant of everyone even to the point that she'd let people walk all over her. In other words, she was the ideal representation of social justice/feminazi ideology. That was such utter horseshit. I don't even know how I made it past that episode. I guess characters like Kirk and Riker are no longer allowed to be male role models. Those male archetypes are no longer "approved" by the mainstream in favor of rubbish SJW characters like Ensign Tilly.
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    And what about veganism? Are they trying to make people physically weaker perhaps?

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    And what about veganism? Are they trying to make people physically weaker perhaps?
    Hmmm. Not too sure about that one. I know plenty of very strong healthy people that don't consume meat. I think this whole vegan thing has more to do with the kind of people that tend to align with it more so than the actual diet itself. Vegans tend to be just the kind of people that are ripe for social justice programming. I mean think about it. Whenever you hear veganism promoted in movies or talk shows or whatever., what is usually the reason given? It's usually some play on cruelty to animals. Basically, weak people who can't stand the sight of a little blood or cannot accept the reality that we are descended from meat eating carnivores.
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    Yea, I've seen Star Trek discover and it's just disgusting the amount of social justice garbage that has been written into it's scripts.

    The event in that show than literally got me steaming mad was the promotion of Ensign Tilly to first officer. She literally got promoted because she was a nice person that didn't offend anyone and was tolerant of everyone even to the point that she'd let people walk all over her. In other words, she was the ideal representation of social justice/feminazi ideology. That was such utter horseshit. I don't even know how I made it past that episode. I guess characters like Kirk and Riker are no longer allowed to be male role models. Those male archetypes are no longer "approved" by the mainstream in favor of rubbish SJW characters like Ensign Tilly.
    One character I liked was Philippa Georgiou, but as any somewhat good the serie had, they discarded her.

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    Hmmm. Not too sure about that one. I know plenty of very strong healthy people that don't consume meat. I think this whole vegan thing has more to do with the kind of people that tend to align with it more so than the actual diet itself. Vegans tend to be just the kind of people that are ripe for social justice programming. I mean think about it. Whenever you hear veganism promoted in movies or talk shows or whatever., what is usually the reason given? It's usually some play on cruelty to animals. Basically, weak people who can't stand the sight of a little blood or cannot accept the reality that we are descended from meat eating carnivores.
    May be, it makes sense.
    And to difficult the lives of normal people too, because meat will be more expensive in the future, or even illegal.

    And the climate change thing is also related, because now they are saying that the farts of caws is causing global warming .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduardo- View Post
    May be, it makes sense.
    And to difficult the lives of normal people too, because meat will be more expensive in the future, or even illegal.
    I could definitely see meat becoming illegal. At this point, I'm wondering why it hasn't happened yet.

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    And the climate change thing is also related, because now they are saying that the farts of caws is causing global warming .
    Don't even get me started on climate change. Biggest scam of all time. George Carlin long debunked the ridiculousness of worrying about climate change with simple common sense.

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    One character I liked was Philippa Georgiou, but as any somewhat good the serie had, they discarded her.
    Philippa Georgiou and Captain Lorca are the closest Star Trek Discovery has ever come to having balls. The Terran versions of these characters did and said things that you almost never see in these modern SJW shitfests. Star Trek Discovery would have been 1000x more interesting if the show was about them. I'd have preferred that much more than what we actually got.
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    Philippa Georgiou and Captain Lorca are the closest Star Trek Discovery has ever come to having balls. The Terran versions of these characters did and said things that you almost never see in these modern SJW shitfests. Star Trek Discovery would have been 1000x more interesting if the show was about them. I'd have preferred that much more than what we actually got.
    Exactly, those two characters were the best.

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    Yes, the sole idea that human is capable of a climate change I also think is arrogant.
    And that we can save the earth, is even more arrogant.

    About veganism, it has some important implications.
    Because the idea behind that, is that animals have rights just like you. At the end, the theory of evolution makes no difference between animals and human. So, the implication is that you as a human are not better than any animal (in fact they promote the idea that animals are better than human), and you cannot eat a fellow (another animal).

    It has a important implication in human degradation.
    It is not about what you think about animals, it is about what you think about you. How much value you have as a human.

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    That data is a month old.
    Yes, it is. Lets look at the current data shall we:-
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    Now lets look at death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated (I chose the UK to show here but a variety of countries are available on the link - they all look roughly the same):-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduardo- View Post
    It has a important implication in human degradation.
    It is not about what you think about animals, it is about what you think about you. How much value you have as a human.
    Wow. This is very insightful. I had never considered it from this angle but it makes sense. They weaken you when they convince you that you are less than what you think are.

    EDIT:

    The less you think of yourself. The less likely you are to think that you might be better than someone else. Another way of nipping potentially revolutionary behavior in the bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niya View Post
    Wow. This is very insightful. I had never considered it from this angle but it makes sense. They weaken you when they convince you that you are less than what you think are.
    Exactly, they are telling you: you are not better than a dog or a cow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    - The statistics on how many are cared for for covid-19 can be misleading. Several regions are now alerting public health authority that the figures may be lower. The reason is that even people who are admitted for, for example, bone fractures but who have tested positive for covid-19 are classified as covid-19 patients, even though in practice this is a co-diagnosis.

    I would think, if this happens here in Sweden, could this happen elsewhere as well?
    that I would look into, is this happening in the US as well.
    First off: Gol dang, folks. Two pages of stuff overnight? One can't keep up.

    As to the quote: I don't understand the significance of this. That is a well known point. The case rate of incidental infections are reported, as it shows something about the circulation of the virus in the general public. It has nothing to do with our excess death rate, and little to do with hospitals being overwhelmed. After all, it's not like we have an epidemic of people breaking their legs which would be overwhelming the hospitals even if there was no COVID. Yes, a bunch of people who show up for other reasons turn out to have COVID, often without even knowing it. That's a positive sign, since it suggests we could get to herd immunity faster, but there is no reason to think that the rate of incidental COVID is significant in hospitals being overwhelmed.
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    https://plandemicseries.com/

    Also banned from Youtube, Google, and any mass media.
    Have some work to do it in bit but I'm definitely going to check this out later when I have some time.
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    not everything is manipulation and has an agenda.

    its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,
    to believe in equality, to want to eat healthy food or not eat meat.
    and to want to have a clean environment.

    the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.
    or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.
    when they tell you, you should eat at least 1 vegetarian meal a week.
    instead of, try vegetarian food if you want. maybe you will enjoy it.

    there should be respect to another persons choices. as long that person is not dangerous.

    Im vegetarian and I could have a long discussion why I think its right.
    but its my choice. nobody forced me. and that should be respected.

    because if someone says, you are wrong to be vegetarian, I will argue about that its wrong to be carnivores. as a defense mechanism.

    so its not just about one side that need to understand or be wise or comply or change. but to allow diversity.

    veganism is not equal to eat vegetarian, but its also a movement, an activism.
    and thats the part that we should discuss, not the choice of food.

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    So, we've covered misogyny, homophobia, you can't agree on whether vegans are dangerous, what else? You folks are working yourselves into a dark, paranoid, frenzy. If you want to find the darkness, it's there to find. You don't even have to look all that far.

    Humans only have one skill: The ability to see patterns, even when they don't exist. It's all we're good at. So, when your life isn't all you were hoping it would be, you look out there and see some malign pattern that is conspiring to bring you down. It's always 'them', it's never you.
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    its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,
    I want to comment on this. I do not support or endorse cruelty to animals. I hate seeing any living thing suffer whether it's human or not. However, what I have a problem with is how this cruelty is defined.

    If you nail a cat to a piece of wood for your own amusement, then I think you're sick in the head. However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with butchering a cow to feed your family. This is my issue with some of the environmentalist rhetoric out there.
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    So, we've covered misogyny, homophobia, you can't agree on whether vegans are dangerous, what else? You folks are working yourselves into a dark, paranoid, frenzy. If you want to find the darkness, it's there to find. You don't even have to look all that far.

    Humans only have one skill: The ability to see patterns, even when they don't exist. It's all we're good at. So, when your life isn't all you were hoping it would be, you look out there and see some malign pattern that is conspiring to bring you down. It's always 'them', it's never you.
    For me personally, I don't worry about it as much as I try to use what I'm seeing in the world as a lesson. In the best case, I can use it to get ahead in my own life or at the very least, not fall into the traps set by the powers that be and screw up my life too badly. I don't cry about it or blame the state of my life on these things. I am solely responsible for the state of my life. The more I know about the world around me, the better choices I can make. It's really as simple as that for me. I have no desire to spend my life worrying about all this. I just want to use the knowledge to my benefit.
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    the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.
    or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.
    There are some serial killers who would totally agree with you. They just want to kill women, but they aren't given the freedom to do so.

    The same case could be made for various racists, anti-semites, Republicans, Democrats, and so on. The truth is that none of us are free or ever want to be free. We just don't notice the chains that we don't mind wearing. We only notice the chains that we do mind. You give up freedom to live well, to have family, to have love, to have the computer you are reading this on. You don't object to most of that, though. Heck, you might not even notice it. And yet you complain bitterly when something else is forced on you.

    Everybody draws that line in a different place. Just reading through the posts on here it is clear that you all want the line to be drawn in some different place. Kind of reminds me of the fight over a new VB6, especially since it's some of the same characters all wanting a new VB6 and all insisting that it has/doesn't have, a different set of features.

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    yeah. Shaggy Hiker.
    thats what I try to do. I dont believe that everything need to be put in opposite positions.
    that is why I wrote the last post,
    that not everything is manipulation and has an agenda.

    theres a lot of good things happening. watching shows with people taking care of others, both people and animals.
    if theres are an entity that is greedy and want to control you, that doesn't mean that everything is evil.

    a movement can be a good thing. the vegan movement is good, and its not that we need to believe in everything they do, but that gives us a chance to think, to reason, to get new perspectives.
    the problem is when a movement "believe" they have the mandate to start controlling you. as long I don't feel a movement is pushing me into a direction without my choice, I say, let it be there.

    but, what those rich families are doing, controlling the narrative in big news channels. that for me its against the basic rules we have.
    to give a person a choice. because lies and manipulation removes you the choice to decide for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    not everything is manipulation and has an agenda.

    its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,
    to believe in equality, to want to eat healthy food or not eat meat.
    and to want to have a clean environment.
    Sorry, I don't agree. I believe that meat is healthy food.

    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.
    That seems to be what veganists want.

    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.
    If you hear them, they are already doing that,

    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    when they tell you, you should eat at least 1 vegetarian meal a week.
    instead of, try vegetarian food if you want. maybe you will enjoy it. there should be respect to another persons choices. as long that person is not dangerous.

    Im vegetarian and I could have a long discussion why I think its right.
    but its my choice. nobody forced me. and that should be respected.

    because if someone says, you are wrong to be vegetarian, I will argue about that its wrong to be carnivores. as a defense mechanism.

    so its not just about one side that need to understand or be wise or comply or change. but to allow diversity.

    veganism is not equal to eat vegetarian, but its also a movement, an activism.
    and thats the part that we should discuss, not the choice of food.
    I respect vegetarian people. Everyone is free to eat what they believe is better.

    But veganism is something that is entirely different. They are fanatics, and they want to impose to others their ideology. They want to close slaughterhouses, and to ban any activity that has to do with animals.

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    So, we've covered misogyny, homophobia, you can't agree on whether vegans are dangerous, what else? You folks are working yourselves into a dark, paranoid, frenzy. If you want to find the darkness, it's there to find. You don't even have to look all that far.
    Yes, we want to find darkness and fight against it.

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    Humans only have one skill: The ability to see patterns, even when they don't exist. It's all we're good at. So, when your life isn't all you were hoping it would be, you look out there and see some malign pattern that is conspiring to bring you down. It's always 'them', it's never you.
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    I dont agree at all Shaggy Hiker.
    now you are doing exactly what you should not go. you go to the extreme. doing so you will make us go further from each other, creating opposition.

    the lines are quite obvious, and I quote myself:

    as long that person is not dangerous.
    and that means anything that could lead to harm in any way.

    so Im not sure what you try to say. maybe u defend yourself now. u feel threaten that your world view could crumble and you try to make a point.
    but the only thing u do is making a bad point. anyone sane understand this.

    of course a sick person we need to take care of. hospitalization, jail or medicine.
    but its not the same thing as choices that need to be respected.

    its a human right not decide your own body. if you force a vaccine on someone else, you are a tyrant. who are you to decide what another person should do or not do? a god? who gave you that mandate?
    if you want to take the vaccine, go ahead. nobody is stopping you. its your choice. if you want to eat meat, go ahead.
    but not force others to do that. thats tyranny and very egoistical.

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    I am solely responsible for the state of my life. The more I know about the world around me, the better choices I can make. It's really as simple as that for me.
    Really?

    I've lived what could only be considered a charmed life. I have a mind and body that allows me to do pretty nearly anything I want (except be a jockey...I can't be a jockey). I had the upbringing that opened any door I wanted. And yet, when I look back on my life, I am barely responsible for the state of my life. I made good choices from the options before me, but I NEVER put those options before me. Did I make the BEST choices? Well, I can't be sure, since I've only followed this path, but there are some other options I think I should have pursued. However, those other options are always women, and you never know how that would have turned out. Still, I made pretty good choices, I just wasn't the one putting the options before me.

    For example, when I got out of college, I went hiking for four months. That was all I was planning, so while I was out there, I was trying to figure out what to do next. I decided that all I really knew was being in school, so I went back to my college to talk to my advisor. He gave me a list of grad schools he thought I might like. I promptly lost the list, applied to the only ones I could remember from the list, and went to the one that offered me the most money. So, my advisor gave me the list of places to apply. My choice was based on who gave me the most money, not on the degree, which was a good thing, because I changed from toxicology to fisheries. I started with a toxicologist, but he took a job at a different university, leaving me with no major. A buddy of mine, who I had met when we were signing up for classes, suggested I join him in fisheries. My first job was because the guy who hired me had graduated from the same place a year before I started and only posted jobs to schools he had attended. His advisor knew I was looking for a job, and passed the listing on to me...and so on.

    So, perhaps you could say that I was responsible because people liked me enough to help me out, but my grad school was because of the list my advisor gave me, and the funding structure of that school relative to the others, then my major was based on a suggestion from a guy I had befriended while applying for classes, and then my first job was based on a listing being passed along by somebody else where the listing only existed because my future boss happened to have attended that school.

    What part of that was my doing?
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    and that means anything that could lead to harm in any way.
    You mean things like passing a deadly disease along to you?
    so Im not sure what you try to say. maybe u defend yourself now. u feel threaten that your world view could crumble and you try to make a point.
    My world isn't likely to crumble.
    but the only thing u do is making a bad point. anyone sane understand this.
    And therefore, you are saying that I'm insane and you are not? That's very convenient. It lets you discount any view that doesn't agree with yours. I don't think your insane, I just think you're unhappy and trying to rationalize it away.
    of course a sick person we need to take care of. hospitalization, jail or medicine.
    but its not the same thing as choices that need to be respected.
    Jail the sick? Voluntarily, or does their choice not get respected in that case? How do you decide?

    It's not a simple question. In this state, there are people who are opposed to all health care. Their faith states that it is always God's will. So, there was a recent case (though there have been several), where the very young child of a couple came down with something readily treatable, but fatal if not treated. Do they have the right to let their child die because their faith requires that? If you find that question easy, then you aren't thinking about it enough. There is a near infinite gradation to that question: How much harm are you allowed to do to your children just because you believe it is the right thing to do? Also, who gets to decide what is harm?
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    jail the people that do harm. do I need to phrase everything? I thought it was obvious when u wrote: serial killers.

    and "sane" is a person that understand that I meant choices that are good and not destructive.
    as you wrote: There are some serial killers who would totally agree with you.

    that part: You mean things like passing a deadly disease along to you?

    ARE YOU REALLY SURE

    thats my question to you.
    you seems to be sure this is how it works. you seems to be sure that everything in media and other sources you follow are 100% facts and no manipulation.

    but thats the whole reason we have so much discussions here.
    I don't believe in that. I actually think that the vaccination program is the reason we are in this mess.

    so my answer is:

    are you not ashamed that you are passing a deadly disease along to you.

    for that could be the truth if the information I have listen to, is actually correct.



    now, what can we do?
    you have your truth and I have mine. thats the issue here.
    so, my perspective I see things completely reversed from your perspective.

    so, we are stuck. I encourage you to watch the video in https://www.stopworldcontrol.com

    and I do that "NOT" to tell you, you are wrong, now you need to learn the truth.
    but to watch a couple of video and see/hear what "I" believe in. after that we can have a discussion where you can tell me.

    you know, that part is totally BS, look here I have "this" and "this" and tell otherwise.

    but right now, are so distant from each other because I feel you are not even consider the information I have.
    so what can we do? you keep telling me Im the evil person that is doing harm while I need to keep posting links and data that in the end will not do anything, since you do not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    That data is a month old.
    Yes, it is.
    No, it isn't... (what the hell???)
    Here is the link again:
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...IN~SWE~CHE~AUT

    The link shows current data, up until (as of today) the 13.01.2022!

    What I did, was restricting the time-interval on the *left-hand-side* (to Dec. 1. 2021) - because
    the discussion was basically about Omicron and the fear-mongering in the official media-channels -
    (regarding the supposed "danger it poses", and that "everything will break down")

    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    You really are being highly selective in the data you're choosing to use, Olaf
    Nope, I've included quite a few EU-countries in that Chart-Link above -
    furthermore, I've also posted a second link with the few EU-countries (France, Italy, Spain),
    where the "non-effect, Omicron had on ICU-occupation", was not that clearly observable...

    It is your Screenshot which doesn't show any Omicron-related info (because it ends at October 15).

    Therefore I'd suggest, to not be as selective with the data you present, Funky.

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    Really?

    I've lived what could only be considered a charmed life. I have a mind and body that allows me to do pretty nearly anything I want (except be a jockey...I can't be a jockey). I had the upbringing that opened any door I wanted. And yet, when I look back on my life, I am barely responsible for the state of my life. I made good choices from the options before me, but I NEVER put those options before me. Did I make the BEST choices? Well, I can't be sure, since I've only followed this path, but there are some other options I think I should have pursued. However, those other options are always women, and you never know how that would have turned out. Still, I made pretty good choices, I just wasn't the one putting the options before me.

    For example, when I got out of college, I went hiking for four months. That was all I was planning, so while I was out there, I was trying to figure out what to do next. I decided that all I really knew was being in school, so I went back to my college to talk to my advisor. He gave me a list of grad schools he thought I might like. I promptly lost the list, applied to the only ones I could remember from the list, and went to the one that offered me the most money. So, my advisor gave me the list of places to apply. My choice was based on who gave me the most money, not on the degree, which was a good thing, because I changed from toxicology to fisheries. I started with a toxicologist, but he took a job at a different university, leaving me with no major. A buddy of mine, who I had met when we were signing up for classes, suggested I join him in fisheries. My first job was because the guy who hired me had graduated from the same place a year before I started and only posted jobs to schools he had attended. His advisor knew I was looking for a job, and passed the listing on to me...and so on.

    So, perhaps you could say that I was responsible because people liked me enough to help me out, but my grad school was because of the list my advisor gave me, and the funding structure of that school relative to the others, then my major was based on a suggestion from a guy I had befriended while applying for classes, and then my first job was based on a listing being passed along by somebody else where the listing only existed because my future boss happened to have attended that school.

    What part of that was my doing?
    If I understand correctly, what you're saying is that your life happened with little input from you. You were just along for the ride. I'm sorry but I don't quite agree. Because even the simplest choice is still a choice. Something as simple as saying yes or no to something presented to you by powers beyond your control can still have a drastic effect on the course of your life. A guy steps on your lawn, you can either shoot him dead and spend the rest of your life in prison or you could choose not to shoot him and end up winning the lotto the next day. Whatever choice you make, it could be argued that everything that happens after that choice was a result of that choice. Nothing really happens in your life without your input, even if it's as simple as saying yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    passing a deadly disease
    oh boy....

    as you said, if you look for darkness, you will find darkness. if everyone (especially if unvaxxed) is threatening your life, then i feel deeply sorry for you. your world must be very dark.

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    jail the people that do harm. do I need to phrase everything? I thought it was obvious when u wrote: serial killers.
    Nope. That's the problem with doing harm. Yeah, a serial killer is an extreme example, but from there is just a constant gradient out to parents making choices that cause harm to their children. What that even means has changed over the years. So, yes, you DO need to phrase everything, because society has to decide where the line for harm is drawn, and that line shifts every year.
    and "sane" is a person that understand that I meant choices that are good and not destructive.
    Yep, and some people feel that their religious views are good even if they do cause harm. That was the point about those folks who allowed their child to die from a readily treatable disease because their faith dictated that behavior.

    that part: You mean things like passing a deadly disease along to you?

    ARE YOU REALLY SURE
    Did you think I was talking about COVID? I wasn't. I had actually written about a different disease, but then removed it to leave it ambiguous. After all, most diseases CAN be deadly, just some are more so and others are less so. At what point do you decide that your safety requires that people with the disease change their behavior?
    you seems to be sure this is how it works. you seems to be sure that everything in media and other sources you follow are 100% facts and no manipulation.
    Of course not. The point of a scientific paper is not to find facts, it's to report evidence that supports or undermines a hypothesis.

    are you not ashamed that you are passing a deadly disease along to you.
    I'm passing a deadly disease on to me?



    now, what can we do?
    you have your truth and I have mine. thats the issue here.
    so, my perspective I see things completely reversed from your perspective.
    Yes, I agree with that. Your truth seems to be dark, scary, and afraid, though. Mine is nicer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalShaman View Post
    oh boy....

    as you said, if you look for darkness, you will find darkness. if everyone (especially if unvaxxed) is threatening your life, then i feel deeply sorry for you. your world must be very dark.
    I didn't get vaccinated because I was worried about COVID, I got vaccinated for the benefit of those around me.

    That's an excellent use of "the big lie", though. Perfect technique is always impressive.
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    I'll be honest, I wish I had Shaggy's super-positive outlook on life but unfortunately, I cannot. I dared to wonder what was behind the curtain and now I'm forever tainted....condemned to see the monsters lurking in every shadow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I didn't get vaccinated because I was worried about COVID, I got vaccinated for the benefit of those around me.
    I got vaccinated just for the card that allows me to do the things I could do pre-Covid that didn't require proof of vaccination at the time. My decision had nothing to do with Covid.
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    Frikin brains eaters...

    So I was at work today and I had a mild catarrh and they told me to shove off for today, now I have a sore throat but I mean on the scale of 1-10 of how sick I feel I'm at 1.
    So either that was from the frikin idiots that makes us wait in lines at 3 degrees for the rapid test or it's a simple flukus but must be the simplest flukus I've ever experienced or it's mr.O
    If it's actually mr.O I have to ask?....That's aeit? That's fliking it? We are in lockdown for that?

    P.S.I did not get vaccinated, to protect people from the vaxbie apocalypse.
    Also I don't tend to be a lab rat. I don't get the benefit of those around me since vaxbies can catch and spread nicely. Unless that was a well hidden spam and I believe it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niya View Post
    If I understand correctly, what you're saying is that your life happened with little input from you. You were just along for the ride. I'm sorry but I don't quite agree. Because even the simplest choice is still a choice. Something as simple as saying yes or no to something presented to you by powers beyond your control can still have a drastic effect on the course of your life. A guy steps on your lawn, you can either shoot him dead and spend the rest of your life in prison or you could choose not to shoot him and end up winning the lotto the next day. Whatever choice you make, it could be argued that everything that happens after that choice was a result of that choice. Nothing really happens in your life without your input, even if it's as simple as saying yes.
    That's a fair way of seeing things. I don't feel that I was passive. I always had a series of choices laid before me, and I feel I made good, possibly the best, pick from those choices before me. I'm also well aware that I had choices that I didn't seriously consider, which may also have turned out quite well. At every step, I did make a choice, but the truly meaningful ones were only available because of the actions of others...and all of those actions were, in some way, due to things I had done. My choice of grad school was based on a list given to me by my advisor, but I sought him out for those suggestions, and he didn't help me get accepted to them. That first real job was due to things I had no control over, but the job listing was recommended to me because the guy who sent it along thought well of me.

    So, it goes both ways to a large extent, but I'm not fully in control. I can choose to walk through the door, and the door is open partly because of my actions, but never entirely because of my actions...in most cases. Of course, in this, as in pretty nearly everything else, you have to add the caveat that there are always exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niya View Post
    I'll be honest, I wish I had Shaggy's super-positive outlook on life but unfortunately, I cannot. I dared to wonder what was behind the curtain and now I'm forever tainted....condemned to see the monsters lurking in every shadow.
    They don't exist. You are creating them.

    If you think there are sinister forces out there bent on doing you harm...well, you're right about that, but they aren't intelligent. There isn't some global conspiracy. It's just people, and likely people who aren't as smart as you are. If you don't believe you are smart enough to orchestrate a conspiracy of the magnitude you are seeing, then don't believe it of other people, either. People can do horrible things to one another. They don't do it because of some over-arching plan, but usually by accident.

    There is a case wending it's way through the Idaho courts about a couple kids. They disappeared a year or two back, then their bodies were discovered buried in the backyard of their stepfather. The mother and stepfather were going to be tried for murder, but at this point, the mother isn't thought mentally competent to stand trial. That's probably correct. The stepfather isn't all that stable, either, but the mother appears to have believed herself to be some kind of messianic figure, and the stepfather was either along for the ride, or supporting that view. The children were killed to save them.

    Now, you might say that's crazy, and the courts currently would agree with you, but that IS the reality that those two (or at least the mother) are living. In this case, the result was considerable harm (there seem likely to have been two other murders, and possibly three or four, connected to this in some fashion), but what if there hadn't been? Perhaps we are all living in our own frantic delusions? We certainly don't all see the world the same way.

    However, I am struck by the hopelessness that comes through with this "sinister world plot" point of view. Nobody has suggested that there is anything meaningful to be done about it. You do suggest that your life is worse for it, but not that there is anything useful to improve the situation. Perhaps you feel that you are better off knowing about it. That would be kind of a 'red pill' thing, like in the Matrix, with the notable distinction that in the movie, the whole point of the red pill was that there WAS something that could be done about it. Take that pill and you could be the 'special guy' with special skills, able to fight with the puppet masters and not responsible for any of your actions (cause those were just puppets that you killed or injured, and they didn't understand the reality that you lived in). Except that there's no red pill, no special skills, no real puppet masters, and no magic phone booth that whisks you out of the game so that you don't have to take responsibility for your actions. So, you get all the anxiety and the gloom and for what? As far as anybody knows, this IS the world we live in. The real world. It is what you make of it. The puppet masters don't exist. They're just people with the same strengths and weaknesses that you have...with perhaps a bit more money, but it's really just connections that they have. They pull strings and things happen because they have connections. My life is what it is because of the connections I have with other people, even with all of you. Form enough connections and you, too, can shift the world when you pull the strings.

    That's what every powerful person has learned over all history: If you don't like something, lean in until you can change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapator View Post
    Frikin brains eaters...

    So I was at work today and I had a mild catarrh and they told me to shove off for today, now I have a sore throat but I mean on the scale of 1-10 of how sick I feel I'm at 1.
    So either that was from the frikin idiots that makes us wait in lines at 3 degrees for the rapid test or it's a simple flukus but must be the simplest flukus I've ever experienced or it's mr.O
    If it's actually mr.O I have to ask?....That's aeit? That's fliking it? We are in lockdown for that?

    P.S.I did not get vaccinated, to protect people from the vaxbie apocalypse.
    Also I don't tend to be a lab rat. I don't get the benefit of those around me since vaxbies can catch and spread nicely. Unless that was a well hidden spam and I believe it was.
    Catarrh? Tell me about that word. I like it. I feel like I have seen it before, but not well enough to be sure whether it was a real word or just a typo, so I looked it up. Very nice. Etymology for the win!

    Still, I'm not sure quite what you are complaining about. That isn't a COVID thing. Of course, it depends a whole lot on your work situation, but I would be taking a sick day if I had a catarrh (see, I used it). That would be for two reasons: 1) I wouldn't want to pass whatever on to anybody around me (and they wouldn't want me to, either), and 2) I have enough stuff to work on at home.

    I haven't had a good cold since before COVID showed up. One of the side effects of this pandemic thing is that I'm just not around sick people anymore, so I'm not catching anything.
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