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Jan 10th, 2022, 09:39 AM
#4521
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
more fun facts
when the worse period in the seasonal flu 2017-2018 here in Sweden was the death rates 14 people a day.
the last 2 week last year we had 5 death a day. even so, they have increased restrictions even more.
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Jan 10th, 2022, 02:00 PM
#4522
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Show the US. We should be in the dark blue area, but might be in the category before that. We had no lockdowns that I'm aware of during the period shown. We had lockdowns, but they were earlier in 2020, whereas that chart begins in December 2020.
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Jan 11th, 2022, 01:45 PM
#4523
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
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Jan 11th, 2022, 03:29 PM
#4524
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by baka
Thank you baka.
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Jan 11th, 2022, 04:17 PM
#4525
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
thx Eduardo, I first saw it in twitter, this is better and longer video!
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Jan 11th, 2022, 04:53 PM
#4526
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Louisiana COVID numbers: 12,494 new cases, 29 new deaths. The updated death rate is 0.23%.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 02:02 AM
#4527
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
From 889 last Dec. 29 we now have more than 20K+ daily.
28,007 - January 11, 2022
33,169 - January 10, 2022
28,707 - January 9, 2022
26,458 - January 8, 2022
21,819 - January 7, 2022
17,220 - January 6, 2022
10,775 - January 5, 2022
5,434 - January 4, 2022
4,084 - January 3, 2022
4,600 - January 2, 2022
3,617 - January 1, 2022
2,961 - December 31, 2021
1,623 - December 30, 2021
889 - December 29, 2021
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Jan 12th, 2022, 02:25 AM
#4528
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by dee-u
From 889 last Dec. 29 we now have more than 20K+ daily.
28,007 - January 11, 2022
33,169 - January 10, 2022
28,707 - January 9, 2022
26,458 - January 8, 2022
21,819 - January 7, 2022
17,220 - January 6, 2022
10,775 - January 5, 2022
5,434 - January 4, 2022
4,084 - January 3, 2022
4,600 - January 2, 2022
3,617 - January 1, 2022
2,961 - December 31, 2021
1,623 - December 30, 2021
889 - December 29, 2021
That's normal for Omicron. The duplication rate of infections with Omicron is between 2 to 3 days.
From December 29 to January 9 in that data the duplication was about 2.4
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Jan 12th, 2022, 03:36 AM
#4529
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
32,246 new cases for today Jan. 12, 2022
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Jan 12th, 2022, 04:56 AM
#4530
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
we should not discuss "cases" that are significant for the people in charge to adjust preparations.
for us mortals the most important is death-rates in percent of population.
I mean, "cases" for a flu, ebola and covid means different things.
sometimes can a "high" rate of cases be positive.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 06:38 AM
#4531
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I've read that in Canada they might postpone buying of Alcohol and Cannabis to non vaccinated.
Now, why did they not think that in Greece? They would have caught us read handed. Even I, that I can't do the vaccine would have become a vaxbie!! Braaaaiiinnnnssss!!!!
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Jan 12th, 2022, 10:14 AM
#4532
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Postpone buying stuff? That would be weird.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 11:40 AM
#4533
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Postpone buying stuff? That would be weird.
This may be what he was referring to:
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/11/10722...-covid-penalty
This is mentioned in the link:
In Greece, those over 60 have until Jan. 16 to get their first jabs or be fined 100 euros ($113) for every month they remain unvaccinated.
sapator may have something to say about that
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Jan 12th, 2022, 01:17 PM
#4534
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by baka
we should not discuss "cases" that are significant for the people in charge to adjust preparations.
for us mortals the most important is death-rates in percent of population.
I mean, "cases" for a flu, ebola and covid means different things.
sometimes can a "high" rate of cases be positive.
Both are important, you just need to put it in perspective. With COVID the deaths seem to lag by at least 2 weeks.
Here in the US, this week the weekly average of daily cases is up 36% (we had been rising by 70+% a week) to @ 750,000 a day. This week the weekly average of daily deaths is up 38% to @ 1,600 a day. It's starting to look like O is less severe but the death rate is still getting worse because of the tremendous increase in daily new cases. It has went up over 500% in the last 3 weeks.
Last edited by wes4dbt; Jan 12th, 2022 at 01:21 PM.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 01:39 PM
#4535
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
They are discussing over 50 now. Meh.I won't start again we talked about this so, meh.
They are getting desperate because
A)Elections
B)Need to sell more vaccines to get commission.
In our company we had 5 people omicroning out, just couch as sore throat.
I think we are over, so if you want to vaccinate you better hurry. Or shoot another one. Do a flu or one for rabies or mizzles .
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Jan 12th, 2022, 03:37 PM
#4536
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
It would never fly in the US, but it WOULD make sense in the US, depending on what they do with the money. Those who can't get vaccinated would have to be exempted, but otherwise it's a voluntary lifestyle tax. We have LOADS of those: Expenses paid out of habit rather than necessity.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 04:17 PM
#4537
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
No we don’t (I say smoking a cigar, drinking a beer, and looking at my losing scratch off).
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Jan 12th, 2022, 05:07 PM
#4538
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Yeah, and throw in a fancy coffee, too.
However, it's the lottery tickets that are the most interesting. This was a hotly debated item in the NH legislature. NH has no broad based taxes (or at least it didn't when I lived there), so there was no income or sales tax. That meant that all taxes came from 'interesting' sources. A big one was alcohol, which was sold by the state (I'm not sure that there were any private liquor stores, though I think beer was sold in grocery stores), the other was property taxes, which were pretty sky high due to the lack of any other tax source. Lottery tickets were pushed as a way to replace property taxes for school funding. Of course, that meant that lottery tickets were a voluntary tax of a sort. The people who paid it were the people who played it. Those people skewed poor, so the effect of the lottery was an additional tax on the poor. That didn't necessarily sit well with everybody.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 05:17 PM
#4539
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
For simply logic, being vaccinated or not is for you, not for the others.
If you believe that (these) vaccines do what vaccines are supposed to do, that means they prevent infections or if not totally at least severe illness, you have nothing to fear about unvaccinated people, you are protected.
This fear to the unvaccinated from some people is totally irrational (fear is an emotion).
IDK whether the governments and people in charge are pushing these things also based on their own fears of because they have other interests, both would be very bad.
Nobody should be mandated, or even coerced, blackmailed or bribed in any way into injecting some experimental genetic thing into their bodies. Something that is not even publicly disclosed what it is (the actual scientific data).
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Jan 12th, 2022, 05:19 PM
#4540
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Even people very pro-covid-vaccines should defend these basic rights.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 05:25 PM
#4541
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Even if you choose to trust multinational companies, you should advocate for the right of people in having the freedom of not trusting the companies that they don't want to trust.
I think that some of these companies are criminal organizations.
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Jan 12th, 2022, 05:33 PM
#4542
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Lottery tickets were pushed as a way to replace property taxes for school funding.
Yeah, in Ca. the lottery was sold as, the profits will go to the schools. But what they didn't mention is that other school funding methods would be reduced. The schools didn't benefit. Sneaky little devils.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 02:24 AM
#4543
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
exactly Eduardo-
but many, many people don't understand this at all. contrary, they think its the right thing.
and this is not just vaccines. its quite common people are "forcing" their own belief on others. just look at the world. religions, culture, social rules, etiquette etc.
such as a thing is abortion.
a bunch of religious people want to control a woman's body telling her: we decide if you can keep or not your fetus that your own body created. you have no saying in this.
this for me is the same thing. you are not asking the woman if she want to be part of the collective mind and follow the belief, but instead force her to follow it without her giving a chance to protest.
its tyranny, and its not only the government but people in groups that demands this tyranny to take place.
The vaccines are the same. theres groups of people that want you to follow the collective mind and they don't care at all of the individual needs.
they don't care about democracy, not until it will affect them. and only then they will start to think about what they have done, and many times its too late.
to not vaccinate is about this, to not succumb to the growth of tyranny. more you let the government rule over you, more they take. once the government gets a mandate to force people into something its very hard to remove.
that is why we have this totalitarian change in the world, governments will only increase their own power until people will be forced to obey.
so, you should be scared when you read: taxes on unvaccinated, covid-certificates, vaccine mandates etc.
because if the government would recommend this 3 years ago it wouldn't work. it would be unacceptable, but now, its seems to be the new norm how their operate.
they don't care, they don't feel bad when they dictate what people should do and not do. they are inside your home telling you how to think and behave. its very close to be a dictatorship.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 05:37 AM
#4544
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by baka
exactly Eduardo-
but many, many people don't understand this at all. contrary, they think its the right thing.
and this is not just vaccines. its quite common people are "forcing" their own belief on others. just look at the world. religions, culture, social rules, etiquette etc.
such as a thing is abortion.
a bunch of religious people want to control a woman's body telling her: we decide if you can keep or not your fetus that your own body created. you have no saying in this.
this for me is the same thing. you are not asking the woman if she want to be part of the collective mind and follow the belief, but instead force her to follow it without her giving a chance to protest.
its tyranny, and its not only the government but people in groups that demands this tyranny to take place.
Not only about abortion, but also veganism and other things. They want to impose to others how to think and what to do.
Originally Posted by baka
The vaccines are the same. theres groups of people that want you to follow the collective mind and they don't care at all of the individual needs.
People that don't even consider that they might be wrong.
Originally Posted by baka
they don't care about democracy, not until it will affect them. and only then they will start to think about what they have done, and many times its too late.
Exactly!
Originally Posted by baka
to not vaccinate is about this, to not succumb to the growth of tyranny. more you let the government rule over you, more they take. once the government gets a mandate to force people into something its very hard to remove.
that is why we have this totalitarian change in the world, governments will only increase their own power until people will be forced to obey.
so, you should be scared when you read: taxes on unvaccinated, covid-certificates, vaccine mandates etc.
because if the government would recommend this 3 years ago it wouldn't work. it would be unacceptable, but now, its seems to be the new norm how their operate.
they don't care, they don't feel bad when they dictate what people should do and not do. they are inside your home telling you how to think and behave. its very close to be a dictatorship.
I think the last goal is to go to a global dictatorship.
These are just the first steps.
A few years ago we used to read about what is happening in China, in Nor Korea, in Iran and we thought "poor people" they don't have access to information, they don't have free speech, they are put in jail if they oppose...
Hello!! Now is happening here, and nobody seems to realize or care.
As long as the censored and jailed ones are the ones that don't think like you some people seems to think it is OK.
And it is just the start.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 05:43 AM
#4545
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
This fear to the unvaccinated from some people is totally irrational (fear is an emotion).
IDK whether the governments and people in charge are pushing these things also based on their own fears of because they have other interests, both would be very bad.
They majority of the people in US hospitals with Covid-19 are unvaccinated. The hospitals are so overwhelmed they are turning away elective surgery. Ambulances are rerouted to alternative hospitals. The government is sending military medical personnel to help overburdened hospitals. Then they get to the hospital and put all the staff at risk. I fear the unvaccinated because their selfishness, baring exemptions, is hurting our society in extreme ways. What really points out their selfishness is they just don't get it. No matter how apparent the facts are.
Last edited by TysonLPrice; Jan 13th, 2022 at 06:22 AM.
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Jan 13th, 2022, 06:08 AM
#4546
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
right now in the latest news here in sweden:
- In 2020, a profit record of 5.8 billion was broken and in the annual report, CEO Irene Svenonius, who officially calls herself a finance regional council, boasts that the company has not shown a loss a single year since 2007. (Hospitals here in Sweden)
- The director increases his salary by 12%, while those on the floor receive 2%. And that in a situation where the staff has worked like animals to deal with a pandemic.
- The statistics on how many are cared for for covid-19 can be misleading. Several regions are now alerting public health authority that the figures may be lower. The reason is that even people who are admitted for, for example, bone fractures but who have tested positive for covid-19 are classified as covid-19 patients, even though in practice this is a co-diagnosis.
before the pandemic:
- Overcrowding and relocations have increased every year since 2014. The figures for all reported months 2018 included in our report are higher than the corresponding month in 2017, so there does not seem to be any improvement that year either.
- Between 2014 and 2019, the number of overcrowding and outpatients in the country increased from about four per 100 care places to just over seven.
- Between 2010 and 2020, the number of completed doctor visits decreased from 7.4 million to 5.9 million.
and a lot more.
if you put it together you understand the problem.
here we had a big problem 2019, that was people waiting +6 months to start with their cancer treatment. theres cases people waited years before they got help. many people died before they got a chance.
nurses that quit their job, because it was not sustainable anymore.
with the pandemic, contrary to what media wrote, the hospitals are in good economy. it costed less 2020 compared to 2019.
they dont want to return to what it looked like 2019, so the politicians will hold on to the pandemic as long possible.
and if people dies they just tell you "its covid", and not malpractice, started treatments too late or something else. they can "hide" all that and tell "its covid" that killed the person not us. we are not responsible.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 07:39 AM
#4547
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I fear the unvaccinated because their selfishness, baring exemptions, is hurting our society in extreme ways.
Yep, that's what the propaganda-machine is trying to sell you...
The data (all over Europe) tells a different story (regarding Omicron).
Further above in this thread, there was a link to data from germany (analyzing over 10,000 Omicron-cases) -
and as for the UK (which leads regarding the Omicron-wave, excepting SouthAfrica) - the ICU-units do not
show the slightest increase - despite countless new Omicron-cases over the last weeks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2N0cP3A-qU&t=1179s
Olaf
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Jan 13th, 2022, 08:45 AM
#4548
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I think a more reasonable response would be:
I fear the vaxbies because they might try to eat my brain and spit me with acid.
I think that is a more reasonable declaration than the one above.
All this pages, all these frouking pages and still....
I think I have given up on page 64
I should however give an excuse as US is doing some crazy sht regarding the covid.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Jan 13th, 2022, 08:47 AM
#4549
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Schmidt
Yep, that's what the propaganda-machine is trying to sell you...
The data (all over Europe) tells a different story (regarding Omicron).
Further above in this thread, there was a link to data from germany (analyzing over 10,000 Omicron-cases) -
and as for the UK (which leads regarding the Omicron-wave, excepting SouthAfrica) - the ICU-units do not
show the slightest increase - despite countless new Omicron-cases over the last weeks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2N0cP3A-qU&t=1179s
Olaf
No...that is what I am telling you because you are so misinformed. Maybe deliberately? But I see we are not going to agree
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Jan 13th, 2022, 08:51 AM
#4550
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
We are misinformed and vaxbies are misformed!
Last edited by sapator; Jan 13th, 2022 at 08:52 AM.
Reason: An admin told me "Braiiinnsss!!!" I run like never before!
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Jan 13th, 2022, 09:25 AM
#4551
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
my latest post is all media, taken from well known sources.
even so, nobody cares to understand it. thats the problem. its polarized and thats what the politicians wanted. they won. we lose.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 10:34 AM
#4552
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
No...that is what I am telling you because you are so misinformed.
I've backed my stuff up with links to concrete data (in Europe) - you didn't...
<shrug>
Olaf
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Jan 13th, 2022, 10:56 AM
#4553
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Links to youtube. I realize some might find that a fine way to get information, but I prefer the written reports. Could you find those, please?
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Jan 13th, 2022, 11:18 AM
#4554
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I posted Germany and Denmark links before. I think that is the German link Olaf was referring to.I think.
So look at those and if Olaf have others, do post.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Jan 13th, 2022, 12:26 PM
#4555
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Links to youtube. I realize some might find that a fine way to get information, but I prefer the written reports. Could you find those, please?
That youtube-channel is a reliable source (he quotes from official data only).
But here we go regarding ICU-occupation in Europe (all in the midst of their own "Omicron-takeover" in the last month):
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...IN~SWE~CHE~AUT
Most countries are "flat-lining" (like the UK) in their ICU-occupation over the last 6 weeks which are shown in the graph.
Many have ICU-curves which are sinking (like e.g. in germany).
All that *despite* huge Omicron-waves in that time-period (Omicron taking over from the D-Variant with a large surge of cases).
For completeness: there's a few exceptions in Europe (like, France Italy, Spain, ... below compared to the US and Canada)
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...SA~FRA~ITA~ESP
Not sure, why these differences exist in the curves of France, Italy and Spain... -
maybe it is due to different counting/reporting as:
- being in the ICU "due to Covid",
- versus "in the ICU for other reasons, but Covid-positive" (and then counted in)
...
A psychological component could also play a role here IMO ...
(regarding the amount of fear-mongering which takes place in the media in a given country).
Olaf
Last edited by Schmidt; Jan 13th, 2022 at 12:41 PM.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 12:30 PM
#4556
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
On the topic of YouTube, when it comes to trusting a video for accurate information, you just have to ask one thing, do they cite their sources.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 01:00 PM
#4557
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Niya
On the topic of YouTube, when it comes to trusting a video for accurate information, you just have to ask one thing, do they cite their sources.
Which one could easily detect, in case the video was indeed viewed...
But many don't, because it would be "too disturbing"... "if that's true, how can I go on living with that..." -
Easy solution: "let's be that ostrich".
Olaf
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Jan 13th, 2022, 01:10 PM
#4558
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
True, but you can skim a paper, you can't readily skim a video. Of course, if they cite their sources below the video, that's great.
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Jan 13th, 2022, 01:50 PM
#4559
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Schmidt
That youtube-channel is a reliable source (he quotes from official data only).
But here we go regarding ICU-occupation in Europe (all in the midst of their own "Omicron-takeover" in the last month):
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...IN~SWE~CHE~AUT
Most countries are "flat-lining" (like the UK) in their ICU-occupation over the last 6 weeks which are shown in the graph.
Many have ICU-curves which are sinking (like e.g. in germany).
All that *despite* huge Omicron-waves in that time-period (Omicron taking over from the D-Variant with a large surge of cases).
For completeness: there's a few exceptions in Europe (like, France Italy, Spain, ... below compared to the US and Canada)
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...SA~FRA~ITA~ESP
Not sure, why these differences exist in the curves of France, Italy and Spain... -
maybe it is due to different counting/reporting as:
- being in the ICU "due to Covid",
- versus "in the ICU for other reasons, but Covid-positive" (and then counted in)
...
A psychological component could also play a role here IMO ...
(regarding the amount of fear-mongering which takes place in the media in a given country).
Olaf
That data is a month old. It was to early in the Omicron wave for many countries to know how it was going to effect the number of daily deaths because deaths lag new cases. If you look at the current data you will see a sharp rise in the average daily death rate for the UK (44%) and the US (40%). German, Norway and Sweden death rates are lower. I don't why, but there is obviously a big difference between these countries. So using data from a couple of countries doesn't project the true situation everywhere.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona.../#weekly_table
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Jan 13th, 2022, 02:13 PM
#4560
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Schmidt
But many don't, because it would be "too disturbing"... "if that's true, how can I go on living with that..." -
If you had a set that included all the people that believed in nonsense like gods, demons, black magic, ghosts, the illuminati, big foot, aliens and all the nonsense social ideas promoted in mainstream American media(eg. more than 2 genders), that set would most likely contain 95% of Earth's populations. It's tempting to say humans are stupid but the reality is as you said, they'd rather cling to their ridiculous beliefs than admit that they were wrong. People fear a lot of things but what life has taught me is that what humans fear most are these words: "I told you so"....
You have to develop people's critical thinking skills at a young age before any nonsense ideas take hold in their mind for if they do, they will be destined to defend them until they die.
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