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    Oddly enough the Detroit area has been the best-supplied:

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    Doesn't seem odd to me. Boise is our one big city, and it has about the highest rate of vaccination in the state. The less populated parts of the state have lower vaccination rates, out here. Whether that has to do with transportation issues, access issues, or politics is hard to say. In our case, politics would mean "anti-vaxxers" may well be more common in the more rural parts of the state. Generally bluer counties have higher vaccination rates, regardless of population, but there is no perfect match seen in the county distribution.
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    Well that's a theory. Just not one that seems very well borne out. Here's another map from the same source showing coverage by county:

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    People covered almost runs contrary to supplies distributed. Low coverage doesn't really seem to align very well with population density. Some of the highest coverage levels are to the north in low population counties despite their low distributed allocations.

    I think anti-vax attitudes may be part of it but their story may be more complicated than people want to believe.

    But there are no figures provided, or even scales. Some of this might be due to presenting absolute numbers rather than per-capita and/or logarithmic scales. Both of those tend to mask a lot of meaningful information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I assume this is a translation issue. Nothing is produced free of charge. As long as there is some production, there is a cost, and somebody will have to pay it. I'm not sure what you mean by registering vaccines. If you mean, "what does it cost for a company to get a vaccine approved for use in humans", then the cost is FAR higher than $600. If you mean, "what does it cost for a person in the US to receive a COVID vaccine", then the answer is 0$. It's being delivered for free. Of course, somebody is still paying for it, and technically, it is the taxpayers....and some other hard to identify people based on the complexity of how US debt works.
    In a poor country like China, we are all vaccinated free of charge.
    The whole world is free, this is not a problem, in fact, the production cost is very low.In any case, it goes without saying that it must be cheaper to produce in China.
    Like India, tens of thousands of dollars of cancer drugs cost only a few hundred dollars.
    The advantage of choosing to charge is that whoever has the money will enjoy the welfare first. Who can get immune ability first。

    China's Xiaomi has now copied Tesla to produce and sell electric cars.It plans to invest $20000 million over several years.

    The Biden administration has also said the United States should invest $200000 million dollars in the electric car industry.
    Ten years ago, it cost only two dollars to produce an iPhone in China.If it is estimated in the United States, it will cost at least ten times as much.
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    In many countries, wearing a mask has become a crime and is prohibited by the state.So a lot of people are against quarantine, against vaccination.

    One of the problems in China is that there are almost no patients, so many people are reluctant to take the initiative to give free injections.Unless the whole country is required, oh, everyone must be vaccinated.

    Of course, this premise is that the vaccine production capacity is sufficient.
    In these two days, we have launched a large-scale free vaccine registration campaign.When I attend, I also need to make an appointment with a big hospital on my mobile phone, and there are only Eight vaccines in an afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiaoyao View Post
    In a poor country like China, we are all vaccinated free of charge.
    We are vaccinated free of charge, as well....except that SOMEBODY is buying the material that goes into making a vaccine. In our case, it is the companies that make it, which is paid for by the governments that buy the vaccines. The government gets its money from the taxpayers...and inflation, more or less. So, technically, I suppose I am paying something, or perhaps the kids of today are buying the vaccines of today, since they will inherit the government debt that we are incurring, unless inflation causes that debt to be worthless.
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    Well I'm no financial surgeon, but the paper cash in your pocket is labeled as a "note." A "note" is basically an IOU, i.e. debt. My understanding is that this debt is backed by future taxes.

    Many will claim cash is merely printed paper with no impact on taxes, and that the pool of issued notes has no relationship to inflation. Despite this worldview of lollipops and rainbows, I'm not convinced that either is true. I understand people who feel the overall economy is unfair and I don't disagree that there is a strong element of that. I just try to be rational and play as best as I can following the rules of the casino.

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    The debt is backed by our collective belief that the debt is backed. When we lose that belief, you end up with hyper-inflation, because nobody believes the note is worth much.

    On a recent hike, I stopped at a hostel that had, on the table, a 50 trillion dollar bill. Can you guess the country?

    That shows what inflation can do. If a 50 trillion dollar bill was worth so little that you could give it away as a souvenir, then the current US debt would be worthless, and those who own it would be out of luck. Naturally, we don't want that, but a little inflation makes current debts appear to diminish. Currency is a weird thing. It's just a mirage, and like any mirage, it vanishes if you look too closely.
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    Inflation also comes in sneaky but observable forms. I bought some cereal today and the boxes are smaller: slightly narrower and much thinner than in the past.

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    What you are describing there sounds like it might be what is often called "shrink-flation" (less product for the same price), but it might also just be that they altered the packaging to make it smaller (to use less materials and reduce size in the shop and trucks etc, both of which reduce costs and to some degree help the environment).

    These days lots of products are reducing the amount of packaging used, and over here at least it is seen as a good marketing strategy.
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    Usually, reducing packaging is an excuse to reduce product while keeping the price the same. You'd have to be looking at the cost/weight, and remembering that from one trip to the next. I purchase based on unit price, not total price, when I care about it, but for something like cereal, I get what I like, not based on price.

    Reducing packaging size is deflationary inflation.
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    The millet mobile phone used to be very cheap.444$,It turned out that last year, because of new coronary pneumonia.Raw materials, chips and so on.In addition, the company went public. There are many shareholders who lie down to make money and pay dividends every year.
    Now the cell phone is 1000 dollars.
    I can't find the cheap mobile phone with high cost performance before.

    Now he's building electric cars again.Perhaps he will also learn from Tesla's model of high prices.Really cheap and easy to use things are not easy, after all, entrepreneurs who start companies, they are not real philanthropists.

    Like Microsoft, he deliberately didn't develop a Linux version for 20 or 30 years. Mac version of visual studio development tools

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    For example, Xiaomi has developed a fast-charged version of the wireless charger. Just like an induction cooker, there is only one coil in the ordinary charger. But he added nine coils. The overall is relatively long, you can put it in, and three mobile phones will be charged.It's amazing that you can charge with USB and wireless at the same speed.But in any case, this is not a reason to triple the price.

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    Wireless charging is wastefully inefficient. I can't imagine it will remain legal in China as its energy crisis grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techgnome View Post
    I saw the perfect response to anti-vaxxers the other day... I wish I had saved it. Rather than trying to convince them they are wrong... embrace the conspiracy and turn into the skid... use their own bad logic against them. For example, if the reason to not get the vaccine is because of tracking nano bots... well then.... simply tell them that if they hold a magnet over the injection site for 5 minutes, it will collect the nanobots and render them useless (they are made of metal, right)... BUT, it only works if they wait until after an hour after their shot. And if they ask why can't they do immediately, it's because the bots aren't active immediately, otherwise it sets off the anti-theft alarms at pharmacies, so they built-in a power up delay. Once that kicks in, then the magnet trick will work. How do you know it worked? Your arm will be sore the next day.

    Embrace the suck and turn into the skid.

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    Wireless charging is wastefully inefficient. I can't imagine it will remain legal in China as its energy crisis grows.
    Mobile phone charging will not take much electricity.Maybe one day electric cars will charge themselves.The biggest waste of energy in China is the mining of thousands of bitcoins, which consumes a lot of electricity.
    China has recently shut down many of these illegal mines.Maybe Bitcoin will fall 30% in the next few days.

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    0 o'clock, April 8, 2020 Wuhan unsealing With the first passenger car. Exit the intersection of Wuhan West Expressway Wuhan officially lifted the control of the passage from Han!

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    Not sure what you meant to say, but you didn't quite say it, whatever it was.
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    I'm getting the first of my to vaccines shots tomorrow. I have been trying everyday for months and just got an appointment. I could have gone to somewhere a few counties away earlier but waited.
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    Had my second dose last Thursday. Felt a bit crappy the next 2 days and had some itchiness in that upper arm the 2 days after. Otherwise my symptoms were about the same as dose #1: some upper arm soreness as with any vaccinations I've received in recent years.

    We had some individuals bring B.1.1.7 into Ann Arbor and Detroit from the UK and those vector cities have carried that variant throughout the state, causing our numbers to ramp up severely. Why non-emergency passenger air travel wasn't suspended the 1st week of January 2020 escapes me, and for that matter most intercity surface travel should have been restricted as well.

    We make and package the primary supply of Pfizer here, but it all gets shipped to the Feds for allocation. Now that things are getting bad here requests for additional allocation have fallen on deaf ears. Sounds like another injury to fuel disgruntled protests as the masses begin to understand the situation.
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    Good, good, keep shooting level3 test vaccines in your body.

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    I've got to say, the US vaccine program sounds like it's been rolled out really well. We've been doing really well in the UK but it feels like you've surpassed us. I'm still waiting for my first one. I'm one year under the cut off age for the current round. Mind you, I've had the virus so it's not really much of an issue for me.

    Good, good, keep shooting level3 test vaccines in your body
    There have been some rare side effects (yet to be proved that the vaccine is causal but probably best assume that it is) but the risks of having the vaccine are massively out weighed by the risks of not having it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    There have been some rare side effects (yet to be proved that the vaccine is causal but probably best assume that it is) but the risks of having the vaccine are massively out weighed by the risks of not having it.
    Also, the rate of the side of effects is negligible... on the order of the side effects of the flu vaccine... The J&J one though... yeah, I just saw this morning, they've decided to pause the roll out on that one here.

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    I'm not sure you can use facts or logic to correct something like anti-vaccination sentiment. And the case fatality rate is too low for Darwin to help out very quickly either.

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    An excess of caution is probably well warranted, considering the hysteria.
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    Quick overview of where we're at in case you missed it:


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    Greek Statistics agency.
    Deaths in 2019 non Covid year: 124.965
    Deaths in 2020 Covid year : 121.444
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    Greek Statistics agency.
    Deaths in 2019 non Covid year: 124.965
    Deaths in 2020 Covid year : 121.444
    I really do struggle to understand your point here. The phrase that come to mind here is Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics !!!

    I am sure you can come up with a narrative that supports your position, but if your so confident that this Virus is nothing I dare you to go on Holiday to Brazil right now into one of the hotspots and hang around there for a while.

    Try telling those people this Virus is nothing and there Governments approach of doing nothing is the right one
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    There was some conservative propaganda in the US that purported to show something similar. The version I got showed the CDC total deaths value for 2017, 2018, and 2019. It also showed a value for 2020. They didn't actually SAY that the 2020 figures were from the CDC, but they worded it so that it would be ambiguous. I checked the numbers they were reporting. They were pretty much right for the first three years. They differed from the numbers I found on the CDC website in the two least significant digits. For example, one appeared to have been rounded to the nearest hundred, the other two were off by about ten to twenty. That could just be because the CDC will revise the numbers by small amounts as input changes.

    However, when I looked for the 2020 figures, they weren't there. The CDC hadn't published 2020 numbers, by that time in the year, and I wasn't surprised by that. It's not like the CDC is going to put out final totals for the previous year right away. They won't have received all the data, yet. I was looking in February. We can't get fish numbers less than two months after the season, and that's a MUCH smaller count, with FAR fewer people involved, than what the CDC has to deal with.

    So, the propaganda correctly displayed the three previous years, but I am not sure what value they were showing for 2020. They implied it was CDC, but it wasn't, nor could it have been. That's propaganda for you.

    Because of that, I followed the CDC. Once they published the actual numbers, it didn't support the propaganda. The total death count in the US should have been a ways under three million, but it was around 3.3 million, which was not quite 400,000 higher than should have happened in 2020 based on extrapolation from the preceding three years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker is interactive.

    Click on a State name in the table below the map to drill down to a State's county-level tracker. There you can drag and zoom or click on counties to see their statistics. Some States have more detailed stats, others less detailed.
    Hey, that's inaccurate. The count for Idaho should be one higher than that, today.
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    I really do struggle to understand your point here. The phrase that come to mind here is Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics !!!

    I am sure you can come up with a narrative that supports your position, but if your so confident that this Virus is nothing I dare you to go on Holiday to Brazil right now into one of the hotspots and hang around there for a while.

    Try telling those people this Virus is nothing and there Governments approach of doing nothing is the right one
    Yeah or a trip to India wouldn't be much fun.

    I'm with you, I don't understand what post like that are all about. Are they trying to say that all these hospitals that were overflowing with COVID patients was a hoax? The whole world was pranking us? My daughter works in the ICU, there were patients that need to be in the ICU but there was no room, she saw a lot of people, old and young, die from COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers View Post
    I really do struggle to understand your point here. The phrase that come to mind here is Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics !!!

    I am sure you can come up with a narrative that supports your position, but if your so confident that this Virus is nothing I dare you to go on Holiday to Brazil right now into one of the hotspots and hang around there for a while.

    Try telling those people this Virus is nothing and there Governments approach of doing nothing is the right one
    First of all, take it easy, we're just talking.

    These are the accurate Greek stats, also it's not lies because here they also have spread the covid terror and we are still in total lockdown, so they wouldn't be of their best interest to show less deaths.
    But the Greek statistics is outsource of the government agency so the politic pigs couldn't tangle with the numbers.
    My point is that even with the lockdown the numbers are rising but those politic born out of an Andromeda slug just keeps us in a total lockdown. They will pay of course but the economical damage is far from fixable.
    I'm through with thinking of covid for many months now, covid is nothing compared to what's coming after raising the lockdown economically, mentally and medically.

    Secondly, I wouldn't want to catch the common flu either so I wouldn't want to hang around in a hospital with infections.
    Anywho, summer is coming so they will release the lockdown and I can go the seaside, the problem is that almost 50% of the business over there will be closed because covid ruined them economically.
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    Hey, that's inaccurate. The count for Idaho should be one higher than that, today.
    Better beware and close your eyes then. Clearly the site spouts "conservative" propaganda. Libertarianism all the way, baby. Screw thy neighbor, we're all in it for ourselves.

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    I tried to check those numbers...and found various odd things. You people are doomed, though no more doomed than the rest of people in the developed world.

    Anyways, it appears that your total number of deaths from COVID is really tiny compared to your population. With numbers that low, I'd say you are right, even though I can't confirm your numbers (or refute them, since I couldn't find any source for total Greek deaths in my brief look). You've largely dodged a bullet. The problem you then have to decide is whether or not you actually dodged the bullet, or whether there was no bullet to dodge. With a death rate that low, it's easy to brush off the whole thing as a bunch of overblown nonsense. Why get all worked up over a few thousand extra deaths? The psychological damage could amount to an increase that high.

    On the other hand, would you have had the same, low, death toll had the steps not been taken? Steps were only partially taken in the US, and 2020 showed about 400,000 deaths in excess of what there should have been based on extrapolation from past years. For me, personally, the only real impact is that I got a modest amount richer because I was spending less money on things like commuting and dining out. I had one close family member die last year, but not of COVID, and not unexpectedly. I feel like the whole pandemic passed me by, and I'm mighty thankful for that, but that's not the case for a whole lot of people in this country. If Greece avoided the excess deaths that the US had, you're fortunate. Whether it was due to a stronger response, better care, or pure chance, I can't say.
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    I'm not given out any false data.

    http://www.statistics.gr is the official source.

    The thing in Greece is that they bombarded us with how many are dying and then closed us down, and now we can see that the deaths where less with covid.
    We did not avoid anything, we are statistically on the Countries with the highest death rate but the stats show death reduction.
    As I've said the damage is far more greater in all the other other fields I've mentioned and this will show in a few months.
    I fear we are going to have to sign another memorandum unless we can vote for someone non German driven politic.
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    Yeah or a trip to India wouldn't be much fun.
    What's happening in India really does worry me. It feels like we're right on the verge of getting this under control with vaccines at exactly the same time as the virus is right on the verge of developing an escape mutation - and that's if I'm thinking selfishly about how we protect the West, which is not how I'm comfortable thinking.

    The India surge has caught me by surprise because I'd heard early on that the tropics were generally getting off lightly. I hadn't investigated further but put it down to some unknown factor in the climate having an effect and put it out of my mind. India shows that to be short sighted and naοve on my part. We need to find a way to get vaccines out to the third world (not that India really qualifies as Third Word any more) as well as forging ahead with our domestic programs. I don't know how we do that.
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    So we have to go to lockdowns every time a potential vaccine free mutation emerges?
    That will not do as people are starting to boil inside , they had enough with this BS . Don't know how UK is handling it but there are people protesting all over Europe.
    In Greece thousand of people are gathering to squares all over the country drinking and dancing every weekend.

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    Andddd.
    It's true. Just showed the official government papers.
    Our government is passing a legislation giving amnesty to any epidemiologist appeared on TV - government driven - media the last 1 year , spreading terror that we are all going to die from covid and we need to wear masks outside and to get vaccinated with every German vaccine brought us here.
    Taken into account that our government officials are mostly German driven idiots and they can't hide as well as other countries politics , they just gave out that the whole thing was used to take excessive advantage and sell more masks and German vaccines to the population.
    Granted our Government are German driven traitors and not all countries have that kind of politicians but it's also a micrography of what is going on to the world.
    Of course this is just my opinion, many would just think that politicians and medical corporations are just angels with wings that only want our common good.
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    The US did a lockdown, of a sort, about a year back, but then essentially seems to have given up. China locked down hard, and has really curtailed the virus. I would basically say that half-assing it just doesn't get the job done. If you're going to lock down, lock down. If you're going to ignore it, ignore it. Don't say one and do the other. What we ended up doing was letting businesses pretty much decide for themselves what they were going to do. Lots of places just went with a mask mandate, some didn't, and people kind of followed their own lead. Now the legislature is fighting with the governor over whether or not he has the authority to respond to any emergencies.

    As for vaccinating everybody, I thought India would be spared a bit better for having a younger population. Guess not so much.

    What would be ideal would be to follow the Bhutan example: Take the time to get all the vaccines you need for everybody, set up the organization, then vaccinate everybody in one week. That would shut the virus down fast, but it is in no way possible. What we've done is a rollout that is almost ideally suited for evolving viruses that evade the vaccines. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen, because it's 'almost' ideally suited. It's going fast...ish. Is it fast enough to prevent evolution from working out? We'll see.

    One promising thing is that the tech used for Pfizer and Moderna should enthuse coders. All we really need now is Visual RNA, then Visual RNA.NET, and we'll feel right at home. RNA/DNA is code. We don't understand how proteins fold all that well, but the language in DNA is pretty well understood, by now.
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    Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

    The dry tinder of Canada and India has finally lit. Other smug areas of the planet are just waiting their turns (I'm looking at you, Australia and New Zealand).

    There just isn't any easy path. One benefit of staying relatively isolated though has meant less overloading in health care centers until now.


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    Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

    Meanwhile Biden continues to pick winners and losers with his unequal vaccine rationing program. He was asked to rebalance allocations to better serve hardhit areas but of course he flatly refused.

    Let them eat cake with their chocolate ice cream?

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