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Dec 7th, 2021, 04:46 AM
#3761
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Bye Bye Mrs vaxmerica pie.
120 people everyone vaccinate 100 got omicron.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/02/...hristmas-party
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rge-to-100-nrk
Now, for the smart people here, we all know that vaccines do not prevent infection at all. Right? Despite what idiocies some said in the past.
So it's not much of a news as much as our idiot government pretesting not to know that vaccination do not create an immunity wall. Now I'm kinda anxious to see what other idiotic excuse they will find so they can support the full vaccination plan they have. Fascists , idiots and dangerous.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 05:31 AM
#3762
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
Bye Bye Mrs vaxmerica pie.
120 people everyone vaccinate 100 got omicron.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/02/...hristmas-party
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rge-to-100-nrk
Now, for the smart people here, we all know that vaccines do not prevent infection at all. Right? Despite what idiocies some said in the past.
So it's not much of a news as much as our idiot government pretesting not to know that vaccination do not create an immunity wall. Now I'm kinda anxious to see what other idiotic excuse they will find so they can support the full vaccination plan they have. Fascists , idiots and dangerous.
Those articles included the numbers 120 and 100 but apart from that you are completely misrepresenting the content!
The first article says
Our working hypothesis is that at least half of the 120 participants were infected with the Omicron variant during the party,"
so unless your maths is entirely different from mine half of 120 is not a hundred. Also it says
"a high vaccination coverage"
which is again completely different to 120 people being vaccinated.
The second article says
"may rise to as many as 100"
and also
All the participants were recommended to test before attending and had a high vaccination coverage.
which are different to your "interpretation" of the stories.
Also by
Now, for the smart people here, we all know that vaccines do not prevent infection at all
you are going against all the scientific and historical evidence of vaccines. Different vaccines may have different prevention rates and different strains may be more or less resistant to particular vaccines but that is not the same as not preventing any infection at all.
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Dec 7th, 2021, 05:42 AM
#3763
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Come on.
That was just to call me off. The fact remains that vaccines, covid vaccines, as you played duhh over there, are not doing anything against infection.
I can cope with maybe and just maybe they have a small very small infection prevention, if that will shut you up (kidding).
In any case you should be glad as Omicron seems to be highly less lethal and highly more infectious than Delta so if that is the case that was the good endemic news.
Isn't that good? We can go on with our lives and fight for something else, like world climate or so.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 06:30 AM
#3764
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
It's basically garbage data
I wouldn't go that far. It's actually very useful data. It just should be qualified as unreliable and shouldn't be used in the way that Sappy did.
Big Pharma controls the whole world and there is no COVID
...and the omicron variant is a conspiracy by the Democrats so they can defraud the mid term elections. Yep, Fox have actually started implying that on their "news" shows. We need a facepalm smiley.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Hadoop actually sounds more like the way they greet each other in Yorkshire - Inferrd
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Dec 7th, 2021, 07:14 AM
#3765
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
Come on.
That was just to call me off. The fact remains that vaccines, covid vaccines, as you played duhh over there, are not doing anything against infection.
I can cope with maybe and just maybe they have a small very small infection prevention, if that will shut you up (kidding).
In any case you should be glad as Omicron seems to be highly less lethal and highly more infectious than Delta so if that is the case that was the good endemic news.
Isn't that good? We can go on with our lives and fight for something else, like world climate or so.
I think a better start then climate change is to ban all the people spreading misinformation from the internet. That would save a lot of lives and would be easier on our ears.
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Dec 7th, 2021, 07:47 AM
#3766
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I agree. Let's start with the vaccine > natural immunity misinformation
Then give power to one company so it can decide who to ban or not. And then let's dance.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 10:59 AM
#3767
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
I agree. Let's start with the vaccine > natural immunity misinformation
Then give power to one company so it can decide who to ban or not. And then let's dance.
Natural immunity? Do tell. Considering that vaccines do nothing more than an actual infection does, what kind of magical thinking are you coming up with? Are you suggesting that natural immunity is superior? If so, you probably need to come up with a reason, because it's right up there with voodoo otherwise.
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Dec 7th, 2021, 11:10 AM
#3768
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I will have to direct you the some pages ago when this was started. Read mine and Olaf posts so I don't have to repeat myself.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 11:12 AM
#3769
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
I will have to direct you the some pages ago when this was started. Read mine and Olaf posts so I don't have to repeat myself.
No way...you have been trolling this whole thread. I don't think even you believe what you are posting.
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Dec 7th, 2021, 12:07 PM
#3770
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I kind of agree. You seem to just have opposition without taking the time to understand how vaccines, immune systems, and cell biology works. A vaccine is doing exactly what actual exposure is doing, minus the virus risk. You seem to want it to be voodoo, but it isn't.
My usual boring signature: Nothing
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Dec 7th, 2021, 12:35 PM
#3771
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I think sapator was using the term "infection" in this context in a (past)-sense like:
- "an un-vacced person got covid, and survived it"
- ...thereby achieving "natural immunity" (instead of the "induced one", vaccines ensure)
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
...vaccines do nothing more than an actual infection does...
Right, exactly... vaccines do "nothing more" - but a little bit less than what an actual infection triggers in an un-vacced patient
(vaccines train the immune-system on a "narrower path", so to say).
The link he (and I) posted independently of each other, containted info - as scientists in Israel found out -
that gaining "natural immunity" comes at a higher risk for the one infected of course -
but also gave "higher rewards" in turn (in exchange for the "higher risk", if you want).
In all the tests they did on a quite large number of covid-patients,
natural immunity "held longer" - and was fighting "consecutive infections" on a "broader spectrum"
(showing good results also on strains which differed from the one which caused the original infection).
Olaf
Last edited by Schmidt; Dec 7th, 2021 at 12:49 PM.
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Dec 7th, 2021, 01:00 PM
#3772
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
You didn't have to tell them.
The whole "ooohh I don't know what you are talking about" game we played in hi school isn't touching me and for the record, since I do not believe Shaggy would go into such a childish play , I think his nephew go a hold if his account, so BOY, you better get of your Uncle's account or I WILL have to tell him!
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 01:12 PM
#3773
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Uncle Shaggy
Please remember next time...elections matter!
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Dec 7th, 2021, 01:39 PM
#3774
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
The "Natural Immunity" solution is lunacy.
With over 5,000,000+ plus dead, millions and million hospitalized and millions with lingering side effects, lets just reject the vaccine and let nature take it's coarse. Just saying it sounds idiotic. lol
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Dec 7th, 2021, 02:34 PM
#3775
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Omicron.
So I'm learning bass guitar. Since I'm playing electric guitar is very difficult to finger pick but luckily the groups I'm trying to play use a pick (except Maiden) but it's fun to play. I'm all Gibson when it comes to guitars but I bought a Fender Precision bass and it's sounds very good. Naturally it's passive as the sound must be more "natural" for me.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 7th, 2021, 03:32 PM
#3776
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Schmidt
I think sapator was using the term "infection" in this context in a (past)-sense like:
- "an un-vacced person got covid, and survived it"
- ...thereby achieving "natural immunity" (instead of the "induced one", vaccines ensure)
I realize that is what I assumed he was saying, rather than advocating some homeopathic type thing.
Right, exactly... vaccines do "nothing more" - but a little bit less than what an actual infection triggers in an un-vacced patient
(vaccines train the immune-system on a "narrower path", so to say).
That's what he seems to believe. I see no reason to believe that to be true. The mRNA vaccines train the immune system against the spike protein, which is the part that sticks out and can be bound to. I suppose it is theoretically possible that the natural response identifies sometimes the spike protein, other times the shell of the virus, but I've never seen any suggestion that that is the case. On the other hand, the non-mRNA vaccines tend to use killed/deactivated viruses, so they should be showing the system exactly the same as what the virus shows. Also, none of those non-mRNA vaccines have as good a response rate as the mRNA vaccines. If you are right that the immune system will target other things than the spike protein when shown the actual virus, the non-mRNA vaccine response suggests that the mRNA vaccines are likely better than an actual infection as far as training the immune system.
Having said that, let me also add that I don't see any reason to believe that the immune training against the actual virus is different.
You talk about natural immunity 'held longer'. However, the fighting consecutive infections is the reason generally held to be the source of the variants. Some people were infected by variant after variant, never quite able to clear any of them.
Still, if you could show that study, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Last edited by Shaggy Hiker; Dec 7th, 2021 at 07:25 PM.
My usual boring signature: Nothing
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Dec 7th, 2021, 04:18 PM
#3777
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Ahh, Shaggy is here.
Hey men, I don't know how to tell you but mayyybe some relative of yours is using your account?
Perhaps do a check...
Thanks.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 8th, 2021, 08:14 AM
#3778
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 8th, 2021, 10:38 AM
#3779
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
I got my first ever vaccine today. I was advised to take the Pfizer vaccine because according to them the others are trash. I actually wanted to go for Johnson and Johnson because it's one shot but I got so much push back on this because apparently I'd get sick or something because according to their anecdotal evidence, which consist of one or two stories about a friend of a friend, this is what is sure to happen to me 100%.
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Dec 8th, 2021, 11:08 AM
#3780
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Welcome to the vaxbie side!
I would personally have waited a week or two because if Omicron takes over and is as lethal as they say it is, you just wasted monkey fibers, but each to each own decisions.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 8th, 2021, 11:37 AM
#3781
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
To be honest, I don't care one way or another about being vaccinated and I didn't bother to devote much brain power to the decision. I just got sick of those close to me bugging me about it. Plus where I am, it's starting to become more common for certain activities to be gated behind vaccination cards. I don't want the hassle so just got it over and done with. I basically did it more for the card than the actual vaccine. I never really gave two shits about Covid to be honest. Been there, done that. I got it once, lasted 3 days and I was back to normal. No big deal to me.
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Dec 8th, 2021, 12:19 PM
#3782
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Yeah most people I know do it for the "freedom".
Personally I can't do it (but I wouldn't have done it anyhow) but I respect everyone that would put it to the test and hope for the best for him/her but again, if Ο (and that is a Greek omicron in case you did not see the difference) proves to be what seems to be, they should start bugging us with something else like world climate vaccines or something.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 8th, 2021, 01:36 PM
#3783
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Downing Street staff joked about party amid lockdown restrictions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b9mJCW5Bik
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 9th, 2021, 03:23 AM
#3784
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Downing Street staff joked about party amid lockdown restrictions
Yeah, we're pretty disgusted at that over here. There has been one high level resignation as a result but I think most of us would like to see criminal charges brought.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Hadoop actually sounds more like the way they greet each other in Yorkshire - Inferrd
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Dec 9th, 2021, 04:07 AM
#3785
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 04:50 AM
#3786
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Downing Street staff joked about party amid lockdown restrictions
Yeah, we're pretty disgusted at that over here.
FD your being typically understatedly British with that description.
People are outraged, appalled, fully disgusted
Teflon Boris the man to which nothing sticks, no lie damages, has finally lied often enough and about stuff the public cares about to cut through.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 05:33 AM
#3787
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Teflon Boris the man to which nothing sticks, no lie damages, has finally lied often enough and about stuff the public cares about to cut through.
I wouldn't count on it. I've got the Vine Show playing in my right ear as I type this and, while the majority of people phoning in are pretty appalled, there are still people phoning in to defend him. Teflon indeed.
He should resign but I'm not convinced he will and I'm not convinced he'll lose the next election off the back of this either.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Hadoop actually sounds more like the way they greet each other in Yorkshire - Inferrd
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Dec 9th, 2021, 05:47 AM
#3788
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I wouldn't count on it. I've got the Vine Show playing in my right ear as I type this and, while the majority of people phoning in are pretty appalled, there are still people phoning in to defend him. Teflon indeed.
He should resign but I'm not convinced he will and I'm not convinced he'll lose the next election off the back of this either.
Not sure what we expected when we voted in a known liar, did we suddenly expect him to stop lying? Utterly baffles me how people are willing to let him get away with the blatant lies, not even well crafted or hard to disprove lies either.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 06:53 AM
#3789
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Omicron is "a natural vaccine", that causes no harm and will immunize the whole world.
The end of the pandemic is near.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 10:15 AM
#3790
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Or it might be Delta called Omicron to sell more vaccines.
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·
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Dec 9th, 2021, 11:13 AM
#3791
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
Or it might be Delta called Omicron to sell more vaccines.
Why would they want to? Have you seen the cost of the new COVID drugs? Vaccines are pennies. Those drugs will be large bills.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 11:17 AM
#3792
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by sapator
Or it might be Delta called Omicron to sell more vaccines.
No. Big Pharma, OMS, Fauci and all these people (and all the press that they can buy, that is almost all) never stop telling lies and this time is not the exception, to make people fear and to push their agenda, and of course they are doing it this time also with Omicron.
Deltha is a dangerous variant, unlike Omicron.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 11:21 AM
#3793
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Why would they want to? Have you seen the cost of the new COVID drugs? Vaccines are pennies. Those drugs will be large bills.
You mean the cost of the drugs that do the same as Ivermectin does?
(Rhetoric question, I would not debate this kind of things, there is no point. It is only about being well informed. But of course, before investigating one needs to have interest -that no everybody has-).
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:05 PM
#3794
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
It is only about being well informed
Then it's a shame you're not.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Hadoop actually sounds more like the way they greet each other in Yorkshire - Inferrd
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:07 PM
#3795
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Then it's a shame you're not.
LOL, that's funny! Who is telling that?
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:14 PM
#3796
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
OK, after thinking a few minutes I realized why you said that: you think that being informed is to read NYT, BBC and CNN.
OK, I'm done, good luck!
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:28 PM
#3797
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Not sure what we expected when we voted in a known liar, did we suddenly expect him to stop lying? Utterly baffles me how people are willing to let him get away with the blatant lies, not even well crafted or hard to disprove lies either.
Well I sure understand, I've been completely baffled about peoples willingness to believe Trump cares about our country or our democracy.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:28 PM
#3798
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
PS: I'll suggest some Youtube channels, that even with the strong censure that is going on, they still remain and are not taking down because they show evidence:
Dr. John Campbell
Drbeen Medical Lectures
Russell Brand
OK, only if you can have critical thinking.
They are for making the investigation easier, but you can do your own investigation also.
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:31 PM
#3799
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
Omicron is "a natural vaccine", that causes no harm and will immunize the whole world.
The end of the pandemic is near.
That's great news. How did you get your research results so quickly? Did you order them from Amazon?
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Dec 9th, 2021, 12:44 PM
#3800
Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.
you think that being informed is to read NYT, BBC and CNN
No. I think it's when you listen to, you know, actual epidemiologists.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Hadoop actually sounds more like the way they greet each other in Yorkshire - Inferrd
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