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    In any case, the pipeline has several other treatments of various sorts, including other vaccines, already well along. Regardless of what THIS vaccine does, the future is looking less...masked.

    The current cause for optimism has some significant drawbacks. The two doses is certainly a drawback, but the fact that it has to be kept at around -80 makes it less than ideal. Not too much of a problem for industrialized countries, but a bit of a nuisance getting it widely distributed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by si_the_geek View Post
    We have good news... a vaccine seems to prevent 90% of infections, and could be available to some people (medical staff etc) within a couple of months:
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    There are other completely unrelated vaccines in the works as well, and at least one ought to get past trials as safe and effective. The Pfizer vaccine might not need such cold storage after being refined more, but for now that is an issue. Without the details and a lot of knowledge we're not in a good position to judge, but some of the "drawbacks" might be due to the extreme rush on development.

    Lots of room for hope but nothing is certain.

    Went to see a Urologist today and I encountered the same "taking it seriously, but skeptical as hell" attitude among the docs and staff as I've been seeing over at my primary care doc's office. Makes me wonder how much of this real and how much is political correctness. When every MD, DO, RN, LPN, HHA, and lab tech you see gives you the same feel and feedback you begin to wonder. Not that I'm taking any chances, mind you.

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    Went to see a Urologist today and I encountered the same "taking it seriously, but skeptical as hell" attitude among the docs and staff as I've been seeing over at my primary care doc's office. Makes me wonder how much of this real and how much is political correctness. When every MD, DO, RN, LPN, HHA, and lab tech you see gives you the same feel and feedback you begin to wonder. Not that I'm taking any chances, mind you.
    Your not sure the deaths and hospitalization from COVID are real. Yeah your probably right, it's just like this whole "round" earth thing people are pushing. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    There are other completely unrelated vaccines in the works as well, and at least one ought to get past trials as safe and effective. The Pfizer vaccine might not need such cold storage after being refined more, but for now that is an issue. Without the details and a lot of knowledge we're not in a good position to judge, but some of the "drawbacks" might be due to the extreme rush on development.

    Lots of room for hope but nothing is certain.

    Went to see a Urologist today and I encountered the same "taking it seriously, but skeptical as hell" attitude among the docs and staff as I've been seeing over at my primary care doc's office. Makes me wonder how much of this real and how much is political correctness. When every MD, DO, RN, LPN, HHA, and lab tech you see gives you the same feel and feedback you begin to wonder. Not that I'm taking any chances, mind you.
    I'm pretty sure if you spoke to "every MD, DO, RN, LPN, HHA, and lab tech" in states out west where hospitals are full and they have to decide who lives or dies you would get different feedback. Or stroll around in some of the make shift hospitals in parking lots and spoke to "every MD, DO, RN, LPN, HHA, and lab tech" there you might hear different. Maybe even some of the 140,000 American citizens that got it TODAY you would hear different.
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    The question is why are they looking down their noses at the whole thing? I suppose you could put it down to pandemic fatigue but I've heard the same thing since March.
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    Dil's got a point. I'm in one of those western states that are filling up. One hospital director told his staff to reject requests to transfer patients from NV because they had no room. NV was calling because UT had refused them.

    Meanwhile, I went to a sports injury specialist a few months back during an earlier wave, and nobody there was wearing masks. I forget whether or not the city they were in had a mask mandate at that time, though they do now. I realize that COVID isn't generally a sports injury, but I was surprised to find the doctor wasn't taking any particular precaution. I ended up visiting a physical therapist for a few weeks, and they were certainly fully masked.

    I did a few other medical things, including visiting a dentist, which is one of those situations where masking...is counterproductive. All such visits were early on, though, after the initial wave as things were starting to open back up. The medical profession that didn't deal with COVID seemed to be taking a more relaxed view. However, as I said this was after the initial wave. Things have locked down quite a bit more since then, so I'm not sure my experience would be the same.
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    Some doubts
    Was there something specific that link was meant to highlight? It too me to a wiki page with a focus on past controversies around Pfizer but there didn't seem to be anything around the current vaccine. I might have missed it, though, it's a bit of a wall of text.

    Lots of room for hope but nothing is certain.
    Yeah, that sums it up for me. We shouldn't celebrate before we cross the finish line but the news is getting steadily better. I'm feeling pretty hopeful right now. Did other people read Dils last couple of posts different to me? I read them as saying, "the vaccine's hopeful but let's not count our chickens". Other people seem to have read them as something different.

    I did a few other medical things, including visiting a dentist
    You lucky SOB! I had a filling fall out right at the beginning of lockdown and the cavity it left is right up against the nerve. It's got badly infected twice, I've had 3 courses of anti-biotics, the abscess actually popped inside my mouth last night (which was fun) and I still can't get the dentist to see me. I'll say this, I love our NHS but dentistry does feel like one area we lag behind in.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Dil's got a point. I'm in one of those western states that are filling up. One hospital director told his staff to reject requests to transfer patients from NV because they had no room. NV was calling because UT had refused them.

    Meanwhile, I went to a sports injury specialist a few months back during an earlier wave, and nobody there was wearing masks. I forget whether or not the city they were in had a mask mandate at that time, though they do now. I realize that COVID isn't generally a sports injury, but I was surprised to find the doctor wasn't taking any particular precaution. I ended up visiting a physical therapist for a few weeks, and they were certainly fully masked.

    I did a few other medical things, including visiting a dentist, which is one of those situations where masking...is counterproductive. All such visits were early on, though, after the initial wave as things were starting to open back up. The medical profession that didn't deal with COVID seemed to be taking a more relaxed view. However, as I said this was after the initial wave. Things have locked down quite a bit more since then, so I'm not sure my experience would be the same.
    Out west? That is the region of the country on fire. Maybe if the people you mention would have taken it serious it wouldn't be. I might be missing your points though. I'm hearing that "real" professionals don't think it is serious. It that the point?

    "Midwest faces a ‘catastrophic’ lack of hospital beds as number of coronavirus cases surges"

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    "Some still deny COVID-19’s dangers — these Utahns hope their stories change minds"

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    Weird. My dentist has left messages twice in the last week wanting me to come in for a routine cleaning/exam. Clearly they've opened again, I'm just not sure I want to risk it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Weird. My dentist has left messages twice in the last week wanting me to come in for a routine cleaning/exam. Clearly they've opened again, I'm just not sure I want to risk it.
    My has you wait in the parking lot and then texts you when to come in. Then questions and temperature checks once you get in.
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    Out west? That is the region of the country on fire. Maybe if the people you mention would have taken it serious it wouldn't be. I might be missing your points though. I'm hearing that "real" professionals don't think it is serious. It that the point?
    We had an oddly mild fire season. This is a fire ecology. Some trees can't spread seeds without fires, so it SHOULD happen most years, but this was a mild one for Idaho.

    If you are talking about us being 'on fire' with the pandemic, yeah, we're that. My point was that early on, some professionals did NOT seem to be taking it as seriously as I expected them to. I find that odd, but I qualified that observation with the fact that my data comes from the first surge, not the current one. Things may be considerably different. I'll know better in December. That's when I may have a second dentist appointment.

    My dentist was also telling people to sit in the parking lot until they were called in. I walk there, though, and it wasn't the nicest of days, so hanging out in the parking lot wasn't quite so appealing. It was more appealing to me than to the gal calling people in, cause she brought me in right away. Frankly, I'm not sure how much good that strategy works. All they seem to be ruling out are symptomatic people, and possibly those who know they have been exposed.

    "Midwest faces a ‘catastrophic’ lack of hospital beds as number of coronavirus cases surges"

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    The thing with dentist offices is that the equipment, like drills, can create an aerosol of the virus which can float around the office.

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    Hey, fellow corona-shut-ins. Here's another distraction you may have missed:

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    Not for everyone, but not a kids' show.
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    Hey, Dil. I'm afraid I removed your link because some of the language in it wasn't family friendly.

    Got to say, though, that looks like a great show. I might even sign back up for Prime to watch that.
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    Yeah, you can definitely put it in the "Deadpool" category for many moments.

    Maybe see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_(TV_series)

    "Wayne" started out on YouTube Premium but it didn't do well there.
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    Things are closing in and locking down again. Food storage can become an issue for those who stock up to limit trips and exposure to other people.

    One approach to refrigerated goods, especially produce, is to place a small ozone generator in the 'fridge:

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    That's one I use in "green" mode and it runs for a week or more per charge. It has a "lanyard" hole and came with a short loop and a suction cup, so it is easy to hang.

    These are pretty cheap, and they also reduce odors. You can use them in closets, cars, etc. for odor control as well.

    I've noticed that stuff like baby spinach holds up a lot longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Things are closing in and locking down again. Food storage can become an issue for those who stock up to limit trips and exposure to other people.

    One approach to refrigerated goods, especially produce, is to place a small ozone generator in the 'fridge:

    That's one I use in "green" mode and it runs for a week or more per charge. It has a "lanyard" hole and came with a short loop and a suction cup, so it is easy to hang.

    These are pretty cheap, and they also reduce odors. You can use them in closets, cars, etc. for odor control as well.

    I've noticed that stuff like baby spinach holds up a lot longer.
    My wife is really big on lysol wiping all of our groceries and mail before we bring them into the house. I've been trying to get lysol wipes in my town for 3 weeks now without luck... we only have 35 active cases currently (max ever was 40, total of around 260).

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    My project leader came down with it. He is a volunteer poll worker and he thinks he got it there. He wife also has it now too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TysonLPrice View Post
    My project leader came down with it. He is a volunteer poll worker and he thinks he got it there. He wife also has it now too.
    Sorry to hear that, I hope he and his family come through without serious complications. Nobody deserves to suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfcSmitty View Post
    My wife is really big on lysol wiping all of our groceries and mail before we bring them into the house.
    I was getting groceries delivered, paying the extra and trying to tip drivers well. I sprayed all the surfaces with hydrogen peroxide and let them sit in bags and coolers a couple of days. I took a sack out to grab the mail and then let it sit a couple of days before touching it.

    I might have to go back to that. I've let my guard down and probably have just been lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Things are closing in and locking down again. Food storage can become an issue for those who stock up to limit trips and exposure to other people.

    One approach to refrigerated goods, especially produce, is to place a small ozone generator in the 'fridge:

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    That's one I use in "green" mode and it runs for a week or more per charge. It has a "lanyard" hole and came with a short loop and a suction cup, so it is easy to hang.

    These are pretty cheap, and they also reduce odors. You can use them in closets, cars, etc. for odor control as well.

    I've noticed that stuff like baby spinach holds up a lot longer.
    My solution is just to eat everything. I've owned this house for 17 years. I can't say definitively that there has NEVER been any leftovers in the house in all those years, but it can't have been more than once or twice.

    Our hospitals are filling up badly. We'll see what happens. The future looks bright, but it also looks like it's a good ways off.
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    My solution is just to eat everything. I've owned this house for 17 years. I can't say definitively that there has NEVER been any leftovers in the house in all those years, but it can't have been more than once or twice.

    Our hospitals are filling up badly. We'll see what happens. The future looks bright, but it also looks like it's a good ways off.
    Back in the dark ages we used an open box of baking soda.

    Our hospitals are filling up badly.
    Did your governor start out early minimizing wearing masks?
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    No, but he didn't need to. The politics in Idaho have always been fascinating, and the current situation doesn't disappoint. There's a governor and lt. governor, both of the same party (cause you win with an R in this state). The governor started out being pretty responsible, in my opinion. His reaction was prompt and reasonable. He wasn't advocating masks early on, but he was so early that the CDC wasn't advocating masks at that time, either.

    Meanwhile, the lt. gov has been actively campaigning against the governor by basically running on the anit-whatever platform. It doesn't much matter what you are against, as long as it's any form of anti-society, she's with you, and very vocally so. Whatever moves the governor makes, the lt. governor actively undermines it.

    Thus we find ourselves in this situation: We're slowly creeping towards a lockdown, fussing and fighting with every step we take. Businesses generally require masks if they have the weight to do so (big box stores, independent businesses, and not so much smaller chains). People are generally wearing masks in most places, but there isn't any mandate except in Boise, and there is loud, vocal opposition to masks from a certain segment of the community. In fact, it's a series of segments of the community that happen to overlap on this issue, along with a few other issues, but largely resembles The People's Front of Judea.
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    Meanwhile, the lt. gov has been actively campaigning against the governor by basically running on the anit-whatever platform. It doesn't much matter what you are against, as long as it's any form of anti-society, she's with you, and very vocally so. Whatever moves the governor makes, the lt. governor actively undermines it.
    Lemmie guess... the Gov & LtGov are elected separately? Yeah, we used to have that here too in SC... they changed that recently, so the next time the Gov comes up for election (in two more years I think) it will be a combined ticket, where the Gov candidates will select their #2.

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    I'd expect there to be a few people rejecting masks because they think it doesn't help, I'd expect there to be a few not wearing mask just because they're inconsiderate, self centered asses but these people that are doing it for political reasons or are saying it violates their civil right just makes no sense.

    To be part of spreading a deadly disease for political reason, is just shameful. They should be arrested and placed in a COVID hospital ICU unit without a mask for a week.

    The people crying about my body my choice, don't step on my civil rights, do you really think they're under the illusion that people can do any thing they want in the US? The law forces you to wear clothes when in public (thank goodness). Lets throw them in the ICU also.

    There are so many of these kind of people. Kind of frightening and disappointing.

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    I was listening to a nurse being interviewed and she was relating that some people, until their dying breaths, are denying they have covid-19 and it exists. I'm willing to bet that patient lived in that Faux news bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techgnome View Post
    Lemmie guess... the Gov & LtGov are elected separately? Yeah, we used to have that here too in SC... they changed that recently, so the next time the Gov comes up for election (in two more years I think) it will be a combined ticket, where the Gov candidates will select their #2.

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    Did my last in-person supply run for a while last night. Store had disposable masks for free next to their flyers in the entry kiosk. Haven't seen that before.

    Went in to see the Doc today, and he offered his hand again. This time I took it, though previously I had demurred offering the goofy elbow bump. Young Indian guy and I didn't want to offend. Funny in a way because he had to prod my abdomen and he gloved up for that. This time he admitted that the hospital (across the street) is sadly filling up.

    I also noticed that many people completely ignore the "2 people per elevator car" there. I just wait for another one.

    Stopped to pick up prescriptions and a lot of the general merchandise shelves were empty, while a lot of shelves had 75% off clearance goods. Might be one more store we'll lose here soon. Yet another "Biden closeout" in anticipation of the major economic downturn coming.

    I'm getting a lot of mixed messages. People are getting nuttier, all the more reason to isolate I suppose. I've never been lucky and this is no time to pretend that I am. I don't even gamble when in Las Vegas, I know my limitations.

    We have a semi-lockdown for 3 weeks starting at midnight here. I suspect this is really all about Thanksgiving worries, but after those 3 weeks we'll probably lock down fully again.

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    Yeah, at this point, saying that a lockdown is just for one to three weeks is silly. Any rational lockdown would extend to the beginning of January. That would really hurt, but if you're going to lock down at all in the week prior to Thanksgiving, is it even plausible that you'd then open for the Christmas to New Years window? Those are probably the most social, indoor, gathering holidays of the year, with Thanksgiving being the third (possibly second, depending on how you rank New Years).
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    Well I don't get the logic of it. All I can figure out is that Thanksgiving is a worrisome bump in the road but they still want to "soft" lockdown to get people used to the idea before an inevitable "hard" lockdown.

    I can't see that psychology working. Not on either the element of society vocally opposed to lockdowns or its political opposition element, both of whom ignore lockdowns and general precautions in their own lives. Both seem like spoiled children, one is just a suck-up until backs are turned because they want rules (but only for other people) and the other is contentious to your face. One stabs you in the back superspreading COVID while the other spews virus on you head-on.

    I think that's why we have things ramping so strongly in the U.S. and Europe. Both are descending into polyculturalism and political divisiveness, with no sense of community or cohesion in physical reality. When you despise your physical community and only identify with imaginary (virtual) communities... here we are.

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    the goofy elbow bump
    Ugh, I hate all that. I absolutely support not shaking hands and I'm not offended when someone fails to proffer theirs but don't ask me to act like I'm some kind of Free Mason or Morris Dancer. Just don't shake my hand... it's fine.
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    Yeah!! Just flip them off and be done with it. It involves no touching and leaves nothing unclear.
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    Re: Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Yeah!! Just flip them off and be done with it. It involves no touching and leaves nothing unclear.
    We already covered some of that with pictures. I wasn't about to go through 41 pages looking for them though
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