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I was just thinking... man the datafiles for this entire message board must be freakin' huge! I'm glad it's here though... I wouldn't have been able to make my program without it (I couldn't imagine the pre-interent days of programming, wow you might actually have to read a book, arghh!) :)
John's Linux box is churning all the time. I can hear the hard drive thrashing from here. :)
Already 21473 users and 486333 posts
And this place only started in Jan 99!
I can't wait until we get 31337 usersQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Already 21473 users and 486333 posts
And this place only started in Jan 99!
if you look at it one way, we already have that :cool:
Its served up by ONE computer?Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
John's Linux box is churning all the time. I can hear the hard drive thrashing from here. :)
-C
Yep, and from the same computer so is vbworld.com, and vbulletin.com
:eek:
john..what the hell you have in that box...dual Athlons overclocked with 20 SCSI hard drives, 100 gigs each? :eek: :eek:
How many megs do you think the data files are, about 1000?
CPU: dual PIII 850MHzQuote:
Originally posted by jpbtennisman
john..what the hell you have in that box...dual Athlons overclocked with 20 SCSI hard drives, 100 gigs each? :eek: :eek:
RAM: 1024
Drive 1: 36 Gb SCSI
Drive 2: 36 Gb SCSI
100GB hard drives on a server would be slooooooooooooooooooooooow *****. Unless they were special hard drives.
Even SQL Server 7 has a Logical limit of 4 Terra bytes.
{Bill Gates in Mid 1980s on DOS Memory :
"64KB is ought be to enough for anyone"}
640KB, which was the reason behind the memory limit on DOS 6-.
So, VB World is serving PHP 4.0.6 with Apache 1.3.20 from Linux? VB doesn't come in to play anywhere? Shouldn't this be a sign that VB is for hobby only?
vBulletin was written in php using mysql. If you want to port it, go ahead.
vBulletin was written in PHP for MySQL... He never said he wanted to port it.
That's what I said.... :DQuote:
Originally posted by denniswrenn
vBulletin was written in PHP for MySQL...
That's why I suggested it. Might be fun to do, seeing as how it's a hobby.Quote:
He never said he wanted to port it.
What are you talking about? VB sucks and that's what Travis was hinting towards...
*sigh*
Sorry, Adam, but Dennis is right. VB sucks (read: not meant for any use as anything other than a hobbyist's language), and that is what I was hinting at.
Port this site to ASP/VBScript (presummably with SQL and W2K)? Uhm... no. Though I would like to see the two platforms run side by side just so everyone can see which one is better (and cheaper).
*sigh*
From what I gather you are *sigh*ing because you are tired of dealing with real programmers rather than people who depend on MS?
So someone like Serge isn't a proper programmer is he?!? Get real. VB isn't a f**king hobbyist language you snobs.
I'm sick of arses hanging around this site pretending they are better than the rest of us. Christ get a life, or f**k off to a NON VB site.
:eek: Such hostilities.
well damn it, this is a VB site. You're ganna piss a lot of people off by calling us "hobbyists".
I would **** off to a non vb site, but they won't have all you friendly people ;)
anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...
VB is slow, requires large runtimes, and makes learning any other languages very hard.
C++ on the other hand is fast, requires no run times, and if you understand C++ nearly any other language will make sense to you.
I won't say that C++ is better than VB, although that is what I think.
My words of wisdom: every language is excellent and crappy in its own unique way.
Well, why is there no VB in this site at all?
It is hosted from a platform that does not have a VB compilier. It is hosted from a web server that was not written in VB, using a DB that was not written in VB with server-side and client-side scripting languages that are in no way related to VB.
I'm guessing VB isn't up to the task. To quote an otherwise unremarkable quasi-celebrity:
You don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the Lone Ranger, and you don't make retail or mission critical applications with VB.Quote:
Know your role.
I don't mind VB when it is used within its limitations. I don't mind Windows when it is used within its limitations.
Don't worry, it was directed at Travis more than you, he has a real problem with VB which he makes clear at every opportunity, which gets tiring.Quote:
Originally posted by denniswrenn
I would **** off to a non vb site, but they won't have all you friendly people ;)
anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...
VB is slow, requires large runtimes, and makes learning any other languages very hard.
C++ on the other hand is fast, requires no run times, and if you understand C++ nearly any other language will make sense to you.
I won't say that C++ is better than VB, although that is what I think.
He didn't use C either, does that make C shite?Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
It is hosted from a platform that does not have a VB compilier. It is hosted from a web server that was not written in VB, using a DB that was not written in VB with server-side and client-side scripting languages that are in no way related to VB.
there isn't a server today that was written in VB
Okay, I'll be quiet. :) But VB presents so many oppurtunities. Besides, there are a lot of people out there to blindly follow. If you have honestly evaluated the field and you want to use VB to make a web server, go right ahead. But if you are on of those who's only arguement is, "So many people are using it, it must be good," well... I have no mercy for you.Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Don't worry, it was directed at Travis more than you, he has a real problem with VB which he makes clear at every opportunity, which gets tiring.
I was thinking "why bother?" An argument with a pretentious Linux fanatic would be pointless, because you have a very narrow-minded opinion thereof. You, and so many others like you, have the opinion that Windows always crashes, Microsoft can't make good stuff, Windows programmers are newbies, and only hardcore Linux programmers are "for real." There's really little anyone can do to change your mind about all of this, so: why bother?Quote:
Originally posted by denniswrenn
anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...
Stop arguing over such a stupid thing! Almost all of you came to this site for one reason: you knew VB. It doesn't matter if you think VB sucks or that C++ sucks.Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
My words of wisdom: every language is excellent and crappy in its own unique way.
Well, not that it matters, because he didn't use FORTRAN, but that has a place, too. But C/C++ were used to write Apache, the OS, and probably the PHP handlers.Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
He didn't use C either, does that make C shite?
fair enough, how about this then...
He didn't use Perl, does that make Perl shite?
Likewise, one would not set out to make a Web server out of VB. You *could*, but you could also make a Web server out of Pascal or Fortran or Cobol, or the TI-83 language. Everything has its purpose, and it's incredibly naïve, presumtuous, and insulting to say that VB sucks, it has no purpose, VB programmers are useless, simply because you find something for which VB is not currently suited.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Well, not that it matters, because he didn't use FORTRAN, but that has a place, too. But C/C++ were used to write Apache, the OS, and probably the PHP handlers.
Arguements are fine, but it doesn't help when your mascot is found in bed with the other team's captain.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
I was thinking "why bother?"
As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.
But just because something isn't present, doesn't mean it is ****, it just means it has limits, and people need to know those limits. I would not recommend COBOL for web serving. It may have its place (still). I would not recommend VB for web serving. It has it's place. If I could just convince my client of that, then they will still have a product in 3-5 years.
I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place. If everyone remembers that, then I'm happy.
For what is VB suited? My answer is, hobby programming. Programming for one's self or one's friends. I do not see VB as suited for mission critical or retail applications. Sorry. I agree with you 100% about suitability for a purpose. And that is what I said to start with. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Likewise, one would not set out to make a Web server out of VB. You *could*, but you could also make a Web server out of Pascal or Fortran or Cobol, or the TI-83 language. Everything has its purpose, and it's incredibly naïve, presumtuous, and insulting to say that VB sucks, it has no purpose, VB programmers are useless, simply because you find something for which VB is not currently suited.
could have been, but wasn't...Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.
Right! So why insult VB programmers by saying it's hobbyist and "Silly coder, VB is for kids."?Quote:
I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place.
John chose to make his product in PHP, that doesn't really constitute "treachery," or anything. PHP is a very powerful language, and useful tool (as far as scripting is concerned), and he chose to write vBulletin therewith. Also, more people use PHP/MySQL than ASP and SQL Server, so he'd be able to sell it to a broader range of people.Quote:
Arguements are fine, but it doesn't help when your mascot is found in bed with the other team's captain.
What *would* fit that phrase would be if Microsoft made its site in PHP.
Or ASP/VB.Quote:
As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.
That's not what you said before.Quote:
I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place. If everyone remembers that, then I'm happy.
I would definetly dissagree that VB is a language for newbies.
I work with VB for a long time and making a lot of money. Does this make VB a newbiew language if companies are paying a lot of oney for it? If you look at the market (even now when its really bad) you will see almost no difference between salary of C/C++, Java or VB. VB was meant to be a database oriented language.
About ASP, I run the site with ASP and SQL Server 2000. My Server is not as fast as the one on VBWorld so its hard to compare apples to oranges. I can tell you this. I work with Java as well and I can tell you that Java has some pros and cons. Its actually slower then VB (I'm not going to compare JSP vs ASP, they're also apples to oranges).
VB can be complicated at times. C is now rarely used in opose to C++ but it doesnt make it an absolete language, does it?
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Originally posted by CiberTHuG
PHP is based heavily on Perl.
Is it ? I don't think so. PHP is based on the ZEND engine.
Sorry, until you can show me this site running with ASP, I'm going to maintain that it wouldn't run as well.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Or ASP/VB.
Sorry, until you can show me this site running with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI, I'm going to maintain that it wouldn't run as well.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Sorry, until you can show me this site running with ASP, I'm going to maintain that it wouldn't run as well.
Sorry, but how much people are paying VB programmers is not an indication of how good it is. I'm getting paid to do VB. But everything I'm doing could be done smaller, faster, cheaper, and more reliably in a host of other languages.Quote:
Originally posted by Serge
I would definetly dissagree that VB is a language for newbies.
I work with VB for a long time and making a lot of money. Does this make VB a newbiew language if companies are paying a lot of oney for it? If you look at the market (even now when its really bad) you will see almost no difference between salary of C/C++, Java or VB. VB was meant to be a database oriented language.
I hate to say this, but using market direction as a basis for which technology is better is an AOL/MS mindset. I again refer to the BetaMax/VHS runoff. Beta was a better technology. Sony did a real bad job of marketing it, so it lost the home entertainment market. Just because everyone owns a VHS doesn't make it better.
This has nothing to do with obselecence. Since C++ was meant to be a superset of C and not a standalone language, one could say that C is still used very very widely (the most wide spread). I am glad to see that we will be getting the next generation of C. I don't know if it will be called D or P.Quote:
VB can be complicated at times. C is now rarely used in opose to C++ but it doesnt make it an absolete language, does it?
Heh... if you want to believe that PHP is better than Perl, that is fair enough.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Sorry, until you can show me this site running with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI, I'm going to maintain that it wouldn't run as well.
I would disagree just given the history of BASIC. I would say that VB has grown to be a database oriented language, but that is just splitting hairs.Quote:
Originally posted by Serge
VB was meant to be a database oriented language.
But as a tangent, what makes VB DB oriented?
That wasn't my point. My point, since you refuse to see anything other than what you want to see, is that ASP/VB can be used in just as many situations, and perform just as well as (better than?) PHP. Chuckle with your Linux mates all you want, but I doubt you could prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Heh... if you want to believe that PHP is better than Perl, that is fair enough.
Perl rocks
Travis, you sound to me like a person who was abused with VB (ironically speaking).
Let's just forget the subject. Everyone has his/her own opinion. If you think that VB sux and you still work with it I pitty you as you probably have a job that you don't like doing.
What makes VB a DB oriented is the market. Look at the percentage of jobs for VB. Roughly 85% of them are DB oriented.
not php or it depends on what version you have/get is cgi shellQuote:
Quote:I don't know who or what Zend is.Quote:
From the Zend site
PHP started as a quick Perl hack written by Rasmus Lerdorf in late 1994.
This history of BASIC is rather irrelevant. What matters is what VB has grown to be, what does well, what it can be used for, and how it can be improved upon. Saying that it sucks, on whatever premise or evidence, doesn't help anyone.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
I would disagree just given the history of BASIC. I would say that VB has grown to be a database oriented language, but that is just splitting hairs.
Zend EngineQuote:
Originally posted by scoutt
not php or it depends on what version you have/get is cgi shell
The Zend Engine is the basic scripting engine which drives PHP. Owned by Zend Technologies Ltd., the engine is licensed to PHP for free use. The Zend Engine brings to PHP performance, reliability, and an easy-to-use scripting interface.
The Zend Engine has potential to serve as an add-on for a wide range of applications, similar to VBA. The Zend Engine, like PHP, is cross-platform and open source, giving it a much broader basis than proprietary commercial applications.
The Zend Engine is open-source and may be used and/or distributed under the terms of the Q Public License (QPL) version 1.0
said like a true trooper!Quote:
Originally posted by Serge
If you think that VB sux and you still work with it I pitty you as you probably have a job that you don't like doing.
Again, the market doesn't prove anything. Just because lots of people use it for DBs doesn't mean it works better than LangX with DBs.Quote:
Originally posted by Serge
What makes VB a DB oriented is the market. Look at the percentage of jobs for VB. Roughly 85% of them are DB oriented.
And yes, I hate my job.
The product I'm working with isn't bad. It's just... each seperate monitor takes 8MB of memory. Since it is in VB it can not be ported, so we can only sell to Windows clients. Fortunately this product doesn't require a client install or agents, only a single server. So the non-Windows clients who are using it have agreed to set up a single NT server for this application.
I understand that but,Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank
Zend Engine
The Zend Engine is the basic scripting engine which drives PHP. Owned by Zend Technologies Ltd., the engine is licensed to PHP for free use. The Zend Engine brings to PHP performance, reliability, and an easy-to-use scripting interface.
The Zend Engine has potential to serve as an add-on for a wide range of applications, similar to VBA. The Zend Engine, like PHP, is cross-platform and open source, giving it a much broader basis than proprietary commercial applications.
The Zend Engine is open-source and may be used and/or distributed under the terms of the Q Public License (QPL) version 1.0
Quote:
from php.net
PHP 4.0.6 zip package [4,859Kb] - 23 June 2001
(CGI binary plus server API versions for Apache, AOLserver, ISAPI and NSAPI. MySQL support built-in, many extensions included, packaged as zip)
PHP 4.0.6 installer [755Kb] - 23 June 2001
(CGI only, MySQL support built-in, packaged as Windows installer to install and configure PHP, and automatically configure IIS, PWS and Xitami, with manual configuration for other servers. N.B. no external extensions included)
That wasn't your question. Your question was, "what makes VB DB oriented?"Quote:
Again, the market doesn't prove anything. Just because lots of people use it for DBs doesn't mean it works better than LangX with DBs.
That's too bad. With the popularity of Linux and all, you'd think that you'd be able to find something more enjoyable.Quote:
And yes, I hate my job.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by scoutt
I understand that but,
Quote:
from php.net
PHP 4.0.6 zip package [4,859Kb] - 23 June 2001
(<b>CGI binary plus server</b> API versions for Apache, AOLserver, ISAPI and NSAPI. MySQL support built-in, many extensions included, packaged as zip)
PHP 4.0.6 installer [755Kb] - 23 June 2001
(<b>CGI only</b>, MySQL support built-in, packaged as Windows installer to install and configure PHP, and automatically configure IIS, PWS and Xitami, with manual configuration for other servers. N.B. no external extensions included)
PHP can be installed as a CGI application or an ISAPI application.
Where does it say about perl ?