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Hey I Have a project I am currently making in visual basic 2008 express edition. I then tried out visual basic 2010 express beta 2 and found a feature i need for my project in it...
If I convert my Visual basic 2008 project into a 2010 beta 2 project will i later be able to convert the beta 2 project into the full version of visual basic 2010?
There will be no conversion necessary. A 2010 project is a 2010 project. If you used any code features that have not made it from the beta to the RTM then you'll have to correct those issues manually, but the project itself will just work.
Hey,
One thing to bear in mind here is that once you have converted the project from 2008 to 2010, you can't then open it again in 2008. It is my understanding that the changes that are made to the project are not backward compatible.
Gary
I have no specific knowledge of the conversion from 2008 to 2010 but, if it's like the conversion from 2005 to 2008, the only changes will be to the SLN and VBPROJ files, which can easily be re-edited by hand and "converted" back to the old version. Those files are plain text and the part that changes is simply the name of the application that created them. That was the case with the last upgrade at least. Things may be different this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
Hey,
This is what I thought as well, but at a recent User Group Conference I put the same question to Scott Guthrie, and he mentioned that once you upgrade a project to 2010, you then can't open it in 2008. I haven't tried it myself yet, I will once I get the download from MSDN today, so I can't say for certain, but I am taking Scott at his word.
Gary
Maybe not, but you may be misinterpreting. The same was true when upgrading a 2005 project to 2008: you then couldn't open it in 2005... unless you manually edited the SLN and VBPROJ files. My guess is that it's the same from 2008 to 2010, but it is just an assumption. I guess we can find out for sure soon enough. Woohoo!Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
Hey,
I know what you are saying, i.e. you could have a 2005 SLN file and a 2008 SLN file, both targetting the same projects, which didn't change as part of the upgrade. However, I was quite specific in the question that I asked him. I don't remember the exact reason that was given, but it was to do with the fact that it is a completely different CLR for .Net 4.0, where as before for .Net 3.0 and .Net 3.5, it was simply additions to the existing CLR.
Like you say, we will find out soon enough. It has been the 12th here for a whole 8 hours and 19 minutes, where is my download :( I don't like having to wait until they wake up :)
Gary
Try living in GMT+10 :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
Ah, good point :)
You staying up late to kick off the download?
Sorry to keep dragging this thread further off topic :) but...
I thought 4.0 was again just additions to the existing CLR?Quote:
but it was to do with the fact that it is a completely different CLR for .Net 4.0, where as before for .Net 3.0 and .Net 3.5, it was simply additions to the existing CLR.
Why, is VS 2010 out today or something? I looked on the website the other day and it said some time in May was the release dateQuote:
Like you say, we will find out soon enough. It has been the 12th here for a whole 8 hours and 19 minutes, where is my download
Not, .Net 4.0 is a completely new CLR.
Yip, VS2010 should be released today, from what I have read 10 AM PST.
Gary
Oh right, I picked a good day to get back into programming then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
Thanks, I've been checking all morning, now i know why it just takes me to purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
I noticed they have Pro and no Standard anymore. If you are upgrading from standard 2008 (which i have) it's only $299. Not sure if anyone knows but doesn't hurt to ask, i recently formatted and decided to not put VS2008 back on and wait these few extra days for 2010, can i just enter my serial to get Pro for $299?
Not sure what others think but 2010 is the bomb, i can't believe I'm this pumped to get it.
You certainly did...Quote:
Originally Posted by chris128
If you haven't already done so, have a look here:
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archi...-4-series.aspx
Gary
Yip, I am looking forward to getting to play properly with 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by sytto
Not sure about the pricing and licensing of them though, I will just be running mine from my MSDN subscription.
Gary
Cool thanks I'll take a look :)
I'm just going with the trial to start and i guess I'll have 3 months to get that answer.
Never got a MSDN sub, is it really worth the money for a hobbyist like myself?
Watching the launch here: The guy running a demo keeps crashing his app. lol
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudi...watch-it-live/
Hey,
For a hobbyist programmer, an MSDN Subscription is probably a bit excessive, especially since you can use the Express Edition. I get my subscription through my work.
Downloading VS 2010 as I type :)
Gary
I haven't been able to dl the official VS 2010 yet, but the Beta 1 and RC .Net 4.0 is all just an extension to the 3.5 Framework, I doubt that they've changed that since the 4.0 FW is only 48 MB (for it to be a complete stand alone FW with 2.0+ support that the IDE has it would have to be at least a 120MB download).
I'm downloading the Professional version as we (or I, actually) speak. Getting it from Dreamspark (free software for students). Didn't think it would be out on dreamspark for free so soon actually! I checked this afternoon and it wasn't yet, but apparently it is now :)
I'll watch out with opening VS2008 projects then, if I can't open them back in VS2008. What if I open a project in VS2010 and it's indeed true? The converter creates a backup automatically, doesn't it? Well I'm not taking any chances, so I should be able to tell you what happens in an hour or two. That's 5 minutes downloading and an hour or two minus 5 minutes installing :p
It'll give you the option to backup the original solution with it being selected by default just like the VS2003, 2005 and 2008 IDE's do, or at least it should, I believe the RC worked that way (never did try it with the Beta)Quote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
You're right, it did.
I've just opened a VS2008 project in VS2010, and now trying to open it back in VS2008, and I think I got it (without ever doing it before from 08->05).
I simply changed the first line in the SLN file (from format version 11.0 to 10.0), and I changed the 'ToolsVersion=4.0' to 'ToolsVersion=3.5' in one of the first few lines in the csproject (was a C# project), and I can successfully open + run it in VS2008 again.
Anyway, I'm sorry, this is completely off topic, but there is one thing that's bugging me a little about VS2010. I like it a lot more than beta 2, that's for sure, but this is bugging me.
In a C# project (probably VB too but too lazy to test right now) in VS2008, the autocomplete / intellisense list seemed a little 'smarter' than in VS2010.
Example: In a form, I type
In VS2008, the first available (matching) option ("AcceptButton") is selected, and I can press Enter to accept it.Code:this.A
In VS2010, the option is only 'highlighted' (with a border around it), but not really selected, and I have to complete the entire word, or press the up or down arrow, to select it and only then can I use Enter to complete it. Makes it pretty useless, no?
I'm not actually sure if this is default VS2008 behavior, since I have ReSharper installed, but I told ReSharper in the options to use the Visual Studio Intellisense, and not its own, so it should work as by default...
Also, I am still missing a feature that VB has had in VS2008 already (possibly also before that, don't know). If you are entering arguments in a method call that has a number of overloads, VB automatically picks the first one that matches the arguments you have already typed.
For example, the first constructor of the LinearGradientBrush takes two Points, and then two Colors. But there is also an overload with a Rectangle and two colors. If, in VB, I enter a Rectangle as the first argument,
then the Intellisense popup changes to the other overload, which starts with a Rectangle, so I can see what it expects next.Code:Dim b = New LinearGradientBrush(New Rectangle(1,2,3,4),
In C# however, in both 2008 and 2010, it doesn't pick up the fact that I'm trying to use a different overload, and it still shows me the 'wrong' overload:
http://i39.tinypic.com/jjy3qa.jpg
I clearly entered a Rectangle, yet intellisense still thinks I entered a Point...
Does this have to do with C# not having a background compiler? I thought it did have one since SP1? I really hoped they would have 'fixed' this in 2010, since it's been around since at least VS2008 for VB...
Or am I completely missing something... Some setting perhaps?
I've noticed a lot of those little bugs since VS2003 and some of them (even in VS 2010 RC) still haven't been fixed...Quote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
As for the intellisense not selecting something by default, I can get used to that, one of the things that really, really, really bothered me going from VS2005 to VS2008 was the intellisense being too bothersome, some of the additional things were nice but others just plain annoy me (still does)
For example, if I have a Boolean variable and I was to manually set it why does intellisense give me options like "AccessibleRole" and whatnot? Or events for that matter, it's a boolean, intellisense should only provide True, False and any other boolean variables within scope, not the entire list it provides for everything. Kind of annoying when I type MyBooleanVar = t *presses enter because 'True' should be the only match that begins with t* and I end up with something completely different and it has a red underline because it's something completely unrelated.
Can someone summarize the differeces between Visual Basic 2010 Express and Visual Basic 2010 whatever is just above that, Pro I guess? Someone said there is no Standard so you either get Express or Pro?
http://www.microsoft.com/express/Dow...0-Visual-BasicQuote:
Originally Posted by EntityX
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products
See, that is not my understanding at all. Where did you pull that from. .Net 4.0, as far as I am aware, if a completely new CLR, so it is not an extension of .Net 3.5 at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
Gary
Good to know, thanks!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
Gary
Looks like Gary's correct. Check out slides 4, 5 and 8 here:Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
http://www.slideshare.net/ranganh/vs2010-net40
I've been looking for that type of diagram for a while because I had heard that 4.0 was all new and that it wasn't, so I wasn't sure.
Press Tab instead of EnterQuote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
Actually, it seems to work just like in VS2008 again now :S That's strange, I didn't change anything except enabling the 'underline errors' option (which apparently is off by default for C# in VS2010, so it doesn't show you any errors...)
It works fine now, but I'm sure it wasn't yesterday!
Must be either some setting you've got or just C#, cos I just tried that exact same scenario in VB 2010 Express and it worked as expected, selecting the correct overload once I had entered a RectangleQuote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
Yes, as I said it worked correctly in VB in VS2008 already, and possibly before that, but not in C#, neither in VS2008 nor VS2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris128
ah I see, it must be because C# users are far too advanced to need help like that :D
So from the diagrams the CLR is still the .Net 2.0 SP2 CLR and the actual 4.0 FW is install not on top of the 3.5 FW but rather next to the 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 stacked Frameworks... There's still a 3.5 FW requirement for the 4.0 FW Linq from the looks of things.
Chris, everyone know that every C# coder writes compilable code the first time, every time... no need for compile errors to be underlines, they simply don't exist :p
Thanks G.Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
Yes I'm a hobbyist mainly, but never minded spending the $200 to have it all so to speak, $300 now? I'll have to think about it a bit, noticed i only have 30 day eval and not 3 months like previous studio releases.
Dunno, 2010 is a pretty sweet package.
theres always the alternatives....if you can sleep at night doing it....Quote:
Originally Posted by sytto
What exactly do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by theonetrueace
If I understand you correctly, I think I am right in saying that this isn't something that a lot of people on this forum would advocate, and certainly not something that this forum as a whole would support!!
Gary
The alternative - start a business and Microsoft will give you Visual Studio and a ton of other software for free lol http://www.microsoftstartupzone.com/..._a_Glance.aspx
knew that before I said it, but options are options...Quote:
Originally Posted by gep13
nice suggestion chris...will have to look into that...
Yes but no one on this forum would ever suggest something like that since we are a forum of programmers, and writing code for money is how we make a living. So no one, not even theonetrueace would ever make a suggestion of software piracy. I am sure he meant there are alternatives like going to a launch event or participae VS2010 promo that might net you a free copy. You could also become an MVP, in which case you would also get a copy.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonetrueace
who said anything about piracy? there are tons of ways to get legitimate software....some might seem questionable though....IE: getting a friend with a business to go through the program which chris stated, in which case you would be in debt to him....some people can't sleep at night if they are indebted to friends....piracy is piracy though, if you don't support software piracy, then i should hope you don't have a single illegitimate mp3 on any of the hard drives you own....we wouldn't want to be hypocrites now would we?Quote:
Originally Posted by kleinma
You are heading down a path you probably don't want to travel buddy.
lol...probably be best to abandon this line of conversation...people tend to get all defensive when their beliefs are questioned....its always fun to stir the pot none the less....Quote:
Originally Posted by kleinma
I was looking at the pricing yesterday. Unless you get an academic version of Visual Studio 2010 Pro which wouldn't be proper for most individuals like myself it looks like the next thing up from Express would be Visual Studio 2010 Pro with MSDN Essentials which is going for $ 549 if I remember right and I haven't seen anything below that or an option to get the Pro without the MSDN Essentials. Full MSDN subscription with Pro is over $ 1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by sytto
I'm downloading Visual Basic 2010 Express now. That will probably have everything I need. I bought Visual Studio 2008 Standard only because I needed Visual Web Developer 2008 Standard. The Express version of Visual Web Developer didn't have certain things I needed but Visual Basic 2008 Express as far as I know had everything I needed and am using with Visual Basic 2008 Standard.
I'm not aware of an upgrade from Visual Studio 2008 to 2010 deal that saves you money but perhaps there is one. You guys with the fast internet connections can search quicker and easier than I can. Maybe one day I'll get a faster internet connection. I shrunk a little when jmc posted those links to answer my last question in this thread because I know I could have searched and found that myself. Sorry jmc for my laziness.
sytto, what deal are you talking about where you get Pro for $ 300. I haven't seen anything like that.
I am a student ....so is there any way for me to download the vs 2010 Pro free of cost for the learning purpose?Quote:
Originally Posted by EntityX
being as how you already have visual studio standard, checkout this link...Quote:
Originally Posted by EntityX
http://www.google.com/products?q=vis...539&hl=en&aq=f
i am a student but unfortunately when i try to download it from the Dreamspark but unfortunately my college name is not present in the college list.... :(:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
how to ensure microsoft that i am a student :D
....deleted cause it was already answered...
any suggestions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy.net
Thanks for that. I'll keep those deals in mind. That didn't turn up for me when I did a search. It looks like I may not need Pro. Since I last posted my Visual Basic 2010 Express download completed. I've already installed it, registered it and converted my VB2008 app to a VB2010 app. I made a copy of it and renamed it so I can still open it in VS2008. From what I've seen so far it looks like it's doing just fine and I probably will have no need for Pro. I'll try a Publish to my website soon and see how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonetrueace
You might want to have a look here:Quote:
Originally Posted by EntityX
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft...S2010_StdPromo
This link would seem to indicate that what you can do to get this sorted out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy.net
http://www.labnol.org/software/micro...students/9481/
Gary
I'm actually not sure how other people would do it. I happened to come across a (dutch, are you dutch?) site (www.surfspot.nl) that sells software for discount prices for students. I can login there with my university account and buy different products (like Windows 7 for €50 or something).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy.net
There was also a product called a "one year free DreamSpark license" or something like that. I could "buy" it (for €0) and it would get me a login for dreamspark, and now I can download anything I want from it.
So I'm pretty sure you need to get your login somewhere indirectly, via some site that can verify your student credentials (such as my university login account in my case). I would try contacting your school and see what they say.
Also note that everything you download is for learning purposes only, you cannot sell anything you make with those products.
I wint sell anything ...i am i a learning phase NT :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
I am sending you a PM,please reply:)
Entityx the link gep13 provided is the deal i was looking at, in addition Soma (an MS guy) in a blog mentioned the deal will last until October this year. Unfortunately the trial is 30 days, i requested an extended trial, they sent me a key to extend it 80 days but the key does not work?
Hitting a few forums there seems to much confusion on MS's part, reading about peeps even calling them and they don't seem to be sure about allot of the pricing and deals. Everything you look at pricing wise is all still in pre-order phase as well.
The launch went so well but looks like they dropped the bomb on purchasing part.
Hope this all gets sorted out by the end of the trial.
For anyone interested i found the blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/arch...udio-2010.aspx
"Many of you have asked what this meant for Standard Edition customers looking to upgrade.
Today, I’m announcing our Standard Offer promotion to ensure current Standard Edition customers can easily and affordably move up to Visual Studio 2010. The Standard Offer enables customers who purchased Visual Studio 2005 or 2008 Standard Edition to upgrade to Visual Studio 2010 at the previous Visual Studio 2008 Standard Edition $299 retail price. Standard customers can take advantage of this offer April 12-October 12, 2010. "
This will save you some work...Quote:
Originally Posted by NickThissen
http://stevedunns.blogspot.com/2010/...s-between.html
Gary
It does look as if MS dropped the ball on the purchasing side.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04...upgrade_delay/
"Microsoft coughs to Visual Studio 2010 upgrade delay
Tells customers to play with trial version instead"
Bah i know i'm posting too much, lol, but i really love VS 2010 and here is a possible reason why they made is so sweet,
Visual Studio 2010 - your chunky new friend dissected:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04...orm_challenge/
"Microsoft does its best work when under stress - Windows 7, for example - and to further prove this theory, Visual Studio 2010, due today, is the company's best developer release for years."