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I am writing this thread to find out: What COM users, would like to see in a COM based programming langague on the PC. But it must be in real detail, and each post stating what you wish to see in the programming langague.
So feel free to add to this thread, but it must be totally legal and nothing other than legal, as well!!
Moved
Just want members to know: That my project fully compiled is under 2Mb in size!! I have about a single, 700Mb CD to fill with it, and other files that come with it. So then I must be able to work out more, space with it.
No wishes, comments only...
Think of what you've asked as you are VB6 user - VB6 is based on COM architecture which was one of the reasons for MS to move on.
... that's it ...
Alright. Then I must ask for comments, on it. And then work from that. I am going to work on getting better coding from it.
Like: For every If statement, there must be an End If with it. Well I am going to make one End If, for all of them, in the code block.
What is this thread even about?
I know there's still people starting new projects and are creating COM based programs, but isn't that world dying down?
Well yes. But then I have been able to bring it back to life. Using my programming. Also this isn't a new project. I was working on it, using Visual Basic 3.00 for Windows 3.11 16-Bit!! And then made an even better version of my project. Using Windows 32-Bit.
Then here it is!!
*** EVIL LAUGH ***
*** CHOKE ***
Creating a new VB ????? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::sick::afrog:
With a twist of Director Lingo, Turbo Pascal, C/C++/C# and pure strain BASIC!!
Is there even any point in creating a new project in vb6.0 rather than in .net?
I don't know what's going on ! Is he trying to create a VB code editor ? Or a compiler itself ? :confused:
From his previous threads on VB6 & Earlier Forum, I think he is trying to create a vb code editor !
ThEiMp, I think you should make it clear to us, before going further. :wave:
He should consider using vb.net to create a complete vb6 IDE
Now that would be interesting
Only if that's all someone has. ;) Some employeers are still refuse to upgrade their shops (I know at least two). :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightwalker83
My accountant dreams about days when DOS was GOD so he would navigate with the arrows keys... :LOL:
Many I know are reluctant because of the huge .Net Framework (230MB for 3.5, and even 50 for v4) compared to VB6 runtime, which is now available with XP and up by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
I could understand that as an issue back in days when we had 1.6GB hard drives (not everybody could aford that btw).
But today compaining about few hundreed MBs is silly to say the least (no offence meant). You download framework once and you are done.
Btw, people were complaining about practically the same thing when migrating from VB3 to VB5/6.
I agree with you completely, but a lot of people still have very slow (dial up) internet conncetions, and downloading 250MB to run a small 5-10MB application (that a company distributes online) is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
Well, like I said you only have to do it once.
Get Vista or Win7, they ship with .Net pre-installed (Vista doesn't have 3.5 or 4.0, but Win7 has 3.5)Quote:
Originally Posted by baja_yu
Then you wont be downloading the FW at all, also as more versions of windows are released they'll continue to ship with .Net pre-installed just like Win98 and up come with the vb6 runtime pre-installed.
Also I'd rather have 1 big download and all of the programs being 5MB or less than a slew of programs being 70MB+ each because they all have to replicate the same code instead of just using an already provided framework.
That and when a security thing or bug has been fixed I'd rather get 1 update that patches all of those little programs then have have a patch for each program. In the long run not having a larger framework installed means a lot more downloading overall
That's ok from mine or your perspecitve. But if you think of a company that will be selling their product/software, telling them to get a new Windows wouldn't sound very nice, would it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
Personally I'd stick with .Net as most users probably have it already installed with some other software. But I know several companies that are worried that a large download might hurt sales. In my opinion, if a software is good, it will be worth the extra download (for those few users that don't have .Net FW already), but that's not my call.
It's funny... at my last job... there were several sales lost specifically because the application WASN'T .NET ...
-tg
And if you think about it TG, it's not exactly funny... :) Especially for savvy customers.
I was few times evaluating enterprise packages so from the technology stand point of view you know exactly (perhaps I should say almost exactly) the limitations of what's being offered.
Packages wrere varying from VB6 to JAVA and from MySql to PostgreSql so you get the picture.
ATI has no problem with distributing the FW with the CD you get with your video card (The catalyst control program is written in .Net, not the video drivers themselves).Quote:
Originally Posted by baja_yu
Also, I should mention that my SOM (State of Michigan) government job has no problem telling the clients (agencies) that we're a .Net shop and if they want the program to be created that it'll be in .Net
Our company has no issues telling all of our remote sites (we're a construction company) that apps will be developed with .NET.... and we're using LAN/WAN, Dailups, VPN, Sattelite...
RB- oh believe me... we didn't find it funny at the time either. Sales was annoyed (the comment was that the prospect was disappointed it was more modern and the app looked dated) but the developers were happy - it gave us an argument to moving to the .NET FW... there had been resistance from the top. Sadly, 4 years later when I left, they still hadn't really moved to .NET. They had started, but it was still going to be a loooong road.
-tg
Actually I have made the whole thing. Just the Alpha Version, as yet. I am still making the Cast Member Form. (Which is like the Resource File Editor). And also the Properties Window Form. So I need your input into this!! Cause it is getting messy in deed!! My fully compiled project is about 2Mb in size, and still, it is growing by the day!! I have made a new VB6 (COM) IDE and going to write a compiler as well. But haven't gotten to it as yet, by will do so. As I find some source code for that, to work with it!!
I cannot spend: $4000 AUD on a new langague. And that is also out dated. It is: Visual Studio 2005 .NET for Windows. SourceSafe was: $1000 AUD, and that was very much in deed!!
I cannot spend good money on something that is going to be very outdated in a very short time, in deed!! Think about the costs involved when trying to upgrade your programming. Also it takes time to learn your programming language, and then that also costs money. You have to go to Uni, and then learn about it. You cannot just learn VB .NET from the Internet alone!!
VS 2010 is 550USD http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudi...s/professional
Also, there is Express Edition which is FREE ;) http://www.microsoft.com/express/
But the one that I found on the Microsoft Homepage, had a time limit of ninty days at the max. Even without using it, it would have clicked down to zero!!
That was probably a Beta or a Release Candidate. VS 2010 is not release officially yet, so all downloads are probably time limted. You can get VS 2008 Express, or wait a few days for 2010 to come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEiMp
"You cannot just learn VB .NET from the Internet alone!! " -- Really? I must be doing something wrong... I haven't seen the inside of a class room in close to 20 year and I successfully made the transition from VB6 to .NET.... but then I WANTED to.
If you got something with a 90 day trial, you got the wrong down load. The Visual Studio trial install is only 90 days, that's true. but if you get the Visual BASIC EXPRESS edition, it doesn't expire, and it's free. Make sure you're getting the right thing.
-tg
Am I right to presume you are making VB6 IDE "replacement" using VB6?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEiMp
Would it also be right to presume that you are in search of how to build compiler using VB6?
Well yes. But my buddies, have never been required to do that. But we can learn, and then do the same!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
In that case you've chosen the wrong language - perhaps C++...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEiMp
But I know how to make EXE files, but not really using this type of langague. But what if I get a core compiler from C++, and then work with it in COM???
You cannot build complex vehicle with primitive toolset - you'll need something much more advanced.
Wouldn't this code work???
Code:Open App.Path & "Hello.exe" For Binary As #1
Print #1, Form1.Text1.Text
Close #1
You may want to get yourself one of these ebooks so you can at least begin to understand something about compilers.
Good luck. That's all I can say at the moment. :wave:
No, it wouldn't. Try opening an EXE in Notepad, you'll see it's not what you think.
And what does that mean??? I know that some part of the compiler, makes dependcies. But how do you get something like an C++ compiler. That doesn't need to write any dependcies at all???
That means, you can't write anything into an EXE file and run it !Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEiMp
You should check the link posted by RhinoBull, about writing compilers. :wave:
I have, but that was far too over the top, and that I couldn't understand anything. I have never done anything this big. Like making my own COM compiler, as to date.
So, what are you trying to accomplish now ? :confused:
Or, what are you trying to create ? A VB source editor or a VB compiler ?
And what is this thread all about ? :confused:
Well its all about writing a COM programming langague. And also a COM compiler, but with some new kind of featues in both of them.
This thread, is to find out how to get problems and bugs fixed in the programming of it. Using the users of COM, C/C++ and Director. To make some sort of super programming langague. That I am in the mintx, of writing as we speak. But it is so very hard that I have to make room for fixing bugs, errors and so on. In the first development phase. So, that people would actually think that it isn't just another VB6 or something like that.
The company I used to work for's customer base was educational and charitable organisations around the Carribean and Africa. We were a classic case of a company for whom upgrading to .Net wasn't the ideal choice because a large proportion of our customers were running VERY old hardware and OSs that simply wouldn't have coped with it. To be honest, that's a large part of why I left - I wanted to move into newer technologies and knew the company wouldn't because it would have been the wrong decision for them. Shame really because it was probably the best 'family atmosphere' I've ever worked in.Quote:
I agree with you completely, but a lot of people still have very slow (dial up) internet conncetions, and downloading 250MB to run a small 5-10MB application (that a company distributes online) is a problem
C++ programs are always dependent on a C++ runtime. You might be thinking of simple C programs, but even most of those use extensive libraries, often lumped into a large runtime.
C programs (like Delphi programs) can be statically linked making a giant EXE, but what's the point of that?
Right. So then when making the EXE, I should first import alll of the data into one file and then finally encript it, and then make it an EXE file???
That is the only way that, I can know how to do it, right!!