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rob! i already started a thread a whole minute before you!
True, not much to really see as positive.
Obama will be seen as a weak leader. Everyone just was fed up with the economy and osama just said "change" and everyone just jumped on the band wangon. Who knows what will happen now.
Well it cant possibly be a "whole minunte" :lol: Within seconds but you posted it in the wrong forumQuote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
i wanted Mccain to win because he was against abortion.
Obama is for abortion. Damn him! fetus' have rights at the moment of CONCEPTION!
But abortion is a small piece of the puzzle. We need someone who can rebuild the country and restore it to a strong economy.
Still its history either way whomever would have won. Just Paylin would have been much better as shes a fine looking female! :D
she is taken rob!
i supposed that our economy is some what important... lol
Mccains speak is taking too long...
hmm Obama 333 to 155
Hes done now. McCain is seen as a stronger leader as hes a war hero and previous POW. He would be much more strong then skinny no-experience Osama.
Lets see tomorrow when the stock market opens how much of a "change" Osama does.
Now Osama is asking McCain for help running the country. If hes so great then why does he need help from McCain?
what channel are you watching? im watching ch7... Obammamamama is not talking yet...
and obama doesnt take office until January ;)
Yea, channel 7. It was stated from McCains consession phone call to Osama.
Perhaps a preview of the way things to come????
"Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
stupid obama, he is wearing a red tie... red is not a tv color.
Red is for Democrat foo :D
Looked like he was fighting back tears when he was talking about McCain.
obama is getting his children a dog because they are moving to the white house... maybe if one of my parents become president, i will get a dog....
So now hes saying that "We wont get there in one year and maybe not in his term but eventually we will ge tthere."
So what happened to all that damn "change" already? :lol:
But that first part of his speech was good. The part about the "United States". Anyone have a quote of that part?
i am recording it on my pc... well at least i think i still am.
Pirating broadcasts huh dclamp? :lol: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
private use only ;)
i didnt get that part though. i am recording now.
Darn, well its been over for a few mins now. Maybe someone will upload the video to a certain video site ;)
i am uploaded a short clip of a news anchor interviewing some people who have been waiting since noon
I thought McCain came across very well/honorably in his speech, he would have made an excellent president, but I think that Obama is also a fine choice. Both are articulate and could potentially mend the damage that's been done to America's image abroad. As for the economy, lets face it, it's not the president that's going to save the economy, it's his economic advisors.....
i can hear fireworks outside... i know it isnt July 4th... Or disneyland, they dont start until 10...
Its the FBI dclamp. They are raiding your house for pirating software :lol:
Well I just want the one that will bring us out of this recession and not screw things up.
here we go.. only took like a hour and a half to upload... youtube sucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otpbQF38s9g
Say that again when you accidentally get someone pregnant... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
Boo, very bad quality. Thats not the speach but the interview of the crowd. :(
what will happen now to the call centers owned by american here in asia? specially in the philippines huhu :(
I don't see what the fuss is about. Think yourselves lucky. You could have ended up with a [not seriuos] woman [/not serious] (such as the "mis-speaking" HC) in charge. Here in the UK, we ended up with...
Margaret Thatcher
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag...herhanibal.jpg
We all know the president has no real power. ;) Without sounding too bad, the consensus here (in the UK) seems to be that US citizens have gone against the stereotypical "americans are racist" thing and voted a non-white person into the presidency.
Now I havent followed the election (im not american! ;) ), but after reading a text about what Obama wants to change, I'd say I like him! He seems to be a man that will reson in questions using intelligence and careful thought, as opposed to using conservative "this is what we've always done, and this is what we'll do now"-thoughts.
I heard McCain is a bit of an angry guy, like he will act irrationally when angered, so do you really want someone who can't control his temper running your country? Obama looks more calm. I also wanted Obama to win cause some Americans are racist and its time you all got rid of that racist attitude, and if anyone thinks otherwise, i can find a fair few youtube videos to support my argument.
Also, Rob its Obama, with a B not Osama ;)... just cause one of his parents is muslim doesn't make him a terrorist. He's actually Christian. :p
Thanks, love you too :afrog:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew G
Except you crptcblade, your too cute to be racist :afrog:Quote:
Originally Posted by crptcblade
Remember change is good because it is change. And if the change is not good enought (remember change is good) we can change the change.
And so on and so on. Change the Change Then Change the Change that Changed the Change
Now you two get a room!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew G
Congrats to the USA.
We'll just wait if he keep his promises. :wave:
This is the stereotypical view that I speak of; and it is one which the US needs to try and shake if it is to promote a "free country" and boast their values and democratic ways to the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew G
Sure, racism is still systemic in the US (and the UK) and is an issue which will remain for a long time, not least, the view that the establishment itself is inherently racist. The issue of racism doesn't only extend to the "Black / Afro-Caribbean", as Rob Dog so effectively demonstrated, there is now the issue of racism toward Islamic societies. Apparently being Muslim makes you a terrorist - I encounter many individuals in the UK who also make the same assumptions.
Some US citizens have done a good thing by casting aside any societal miss conceptions regarding race and voting for the best candidate. Others, possibly non white US citizens probably voted for the first time in their lives simply because Obama was standing, others probably voted for McCain simply because he was white and they would rather be dead than see Obama as president.
The fact that he won is to the rest of the world a big, historic change. To us outsiders, we see the US president as a representative of the people, an ambassador for the US citizens and, even though racism will remain a problem for the US which will take time to "sort out". For the first time I think we will see other countries, especially the middle eastern countries, Russia, China, North Korea, Pakistan become more receptive to the US foreign policy.
So, Obama has literally been handed a chance to change the world. His leadership will be the test of weather or not he can do that. Weather or not he does is irrelevant, because he has already made history. :wave:
It's over and done with and Obama won fair and square. All I will say now is that he's my President and I wish the best for him and hope he has a very successful term. I'm sure some of us have doubts, but maybe he will turn things around and prove that he's not just a light without heat. So in four years or even a couple I'd like to look back and say I was wrong about the guy.
With that said, I'm gonna contradict what I've said in other posts and say that I think Obama will have an easier time changing things than what people think. For the most part, a president just guides and influences policy. With such a large majority of our politicians having democratic leaning, it shouldn't be a challenge for Obama to get a "yes" on anything he wants done. That means the opportunity for change is definitely there, but the correct decisions still have to be made.
You can also find some youtube videos on the church Obama attended for so long - it might make your idea of "who hates who" less one sided.Quote:
Americans are racist and its time you all got rid of that racist attitude, and if anyone thinks otherwise, i can find a fair few youtube videos to support my argument.
Since no one else has made a comment on this, I would like to emphasize that calling Obama "Osama" is ridiculous and makes you look like a fool.
If Obama can actually motivate change then good but change for the sake of change is not always good. It has to be the right change. You can not play trial and error with the economy. Careful research and analysis needs to be done. This takes time which of course we do not have. Remember there are stero types and Obama is not your typical Afro-American. That is the one thing he has going for him to help him suceed in fixing the country. Seems Americans are not as racist as many think. 62% of voters, I think it was was, were white supporters of Obama. Noww how is that racist?
Of course I'm not serious on that part as even my posts are not directed in that manner. How could I be serious since I am not putting him down in any way other then not having the experience. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrow_Raider
It's ok to switch letters around in someone's name to make some funny nickname, but you CAN'T do it to Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrow_Raider
That's foolish...
Did you whine and complain when people came up with names for Hilary Clinton?
Hilary --> Hitlery (saying Hilary is Hitler, just in case you couldn't tell)
Obama --> Osama
Big deal. Get over it.
What? Well those jokes about Hillary were just as funny. :lol: But anyways, back on to the point. :)
Obama has shown that he can find the smartest person in the room and ask the right questions of them. It'll be change enough to have a leader who will seek out advice rather than ratification of his intuition.
McCain was a much better person than the campaign he ran. Anybody who has been awake for the last decade knows that he took Palin as a running mate because he felt she would give him a chance, not because he really wanted her as VP. The person he wanted to have as his VP was Joe Leiberman.
McCain is a rash, hot tempered, but highly principled public servant. In this campaign he gave away too much of himself to chase the prize. Now he'll be back where he belongs, and it makes perfect sense for Obama to reach out to him in particular, as McCain has shown a preference for principle over party whenever he didn't need party support for a presidential race.
Would that be 62% of those white people who voted, voted for Obama?Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
Or
Would that be 62% of those who voted for Obama were white people?
The jokes I heard about Bush would get me banned. Of course, with a name like that, the low hanging fruit is just too easy.
As a big, hairy, white guy, I have no misconceptions about racism in this country. People just seem to let down their guard when talking to me. Maybe it's just that I don't talk back. I was very concerned about the Bradley Effect in this election, since I know so many closet racists who have not changed their views, they have just learned to hide them in public. Thus, I was greatly encouraged by the results.
Thats 62% of those who voted for Obama were white/caucasian.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotLKH
Also, those who voted for Obama that made more then $200K a year also support him raising taxes on the rich which would increase their own taxes too.
I thought Obama's race would be a great selling point for him in this race, but I do have my worries about his safety as a president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Thats my point and agree. If he can do it then great but I just felt McCain was more experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by System_Error
I felt McCain was too much like me. I don't belong in the White House, and neither does he.
To be honest, I would have voted for Harvey the Invisible Rabbit as long as Harvey wasn't a republican.
We have had enough of those morons to last several life times.
Issues Shmisues - After George Bush I would have voted for kregg as long as he wasn't a republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by kasracer
Incidentially, I have been a registered, card carrying republican, for over 40 years.
The republican platform has many planks that I dislike. Therefore, I would have to agree with Hack if I looked only at the party platform. What issues are there other than the ones that the republicans take on? There are a few republicans in my state that I have no problem with. However, if they have the majority, then they will push the party platform, which I have serious problems with. You do have to consider party affiliation along with the individual. If the party is going to do things that you really dislike, then even if you like one member, you have to consider the impact of that one person being elected on the overall pattern.
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Originally Posted by kasracer
True, but it's precisely because your example doesn't actually happen that people can vote along party lines. Policies in general are pretty similar; both sides want everybody to be happy, everybody to be wealthy, everybody to be secure. They just have slightly different ideas as to how to go about it, and because there's no proven means to secure those objectives, it means that every Joe Plumber can get on his high horse and say "My idea is better than yours". What it boils down to is what people think about a few nitty gritty issues which are important to them, such as policy on healthcare or taxes or military spending, and if they aren't even particularly swayed either way by that then why not plump for the guy who looks the part.
Personally, I think there's a lot to be said for, if you aren't especially bothered either way, voting for the party in opposition because if one party stays in power too long they tend to go a bit barmy. Keeps everybody on their toes to have a change of govt fairly regularly.
Quite true. Maggie Thatcher had become power-mad and was in tears when she was kicked out, still in disbelief.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaza
As regards McCain and Obama, I've found the run-up to the election amusing at times. Let me explain - the media in the UK are like rotweillers when they scent a weakness in a politician and it's no doubt the same in the US. For instance, HC was a dead duck when she said she was "under fire", McCain lost it after the "Bomb, bomb Iran" jibe. Both demonstrated a lack of integrity and certain contempt for the general publics' intellect. As far as I know, Obama never tried to fool anybody.
Add that to communications and file sharing technology - any politician who messes-up can't hide any more. i.e. I don't even need a phone, PC or envelope to communicate in short order - I can send emails through my TV if I want (and it's got chat facilities now...)
Obama may be good for the US in other ways. Others have already said many US leaders/citizens are racist, but what about the coloured leaders of unfriendly oil rich countries ? They may be more amenable to a black (If the president of the US can say "black", so can I ...) president than a white one. The US has voted in an opportunity, it would be daft not to use it.
Spoofs can backfire on you. During the mayoral elections for London (UK), Ken Livingston put out a video ridiculing Boris Johnson. People regarded Livingston's video as childish. Boris won despite being portrayed as a buffoon. The Obama/Osama and Hussein jibes have no doubt had exactly the same effect - showing the McCain camp as being ridiculous and childish.
And finally...
Boris for the next UK Prime Minister ? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris Johnson, October 21, 2008
Very good quote. Perhaps you should have worked for Obama's campaignQuote:
Originally Posted by Boris Johnson, October 21, 2008
A person who keeps his cool in the heat of an argument or conflict and hence is able to make good decisions is much better than a rash person who makes quick decisions without having a clear mind. In your anger you make stupid decisions, now magnify that to the whole country.Quote:
Originally Posted by kasracer
People should really vote for who has the best policies that appeal to them like you said, but that should not be the only thing they should think of. Remember they only just want to get supporters, so how do you know anything they say will even happen?
You personally might not be racist, but there are plenty of people who said they wouldn't be caught dead with a black president, how is that not racist?
They are saying Paylin will be groomed to run for president in 2012 but only if Obama screws up otherwise she will run in 2016 when he comes to the limit of his term.
She knows she has no chance against him? :p
This is so very not true. For example, the issues I care about:Quote:
Originally Posted by kasracer
Tell me again how both parties are the same.
- I want us out of Iraq yesterday.
- Abortion must remain legal.
- Stem cell research should be federally funded, like all other promising areas of research.
- The war on drugs needs to be abandoned, especially the mandatory sentences. The focus should be treating drug abuse as a health issue, not punishing it as a crime.
- The Patriot Act needs to be immediately revoked, as well as every detainee in Guantanamo needs to be given immediate representation. Under Bush we have become a monstrosity that would have made our founding fathers weep. 20 short years after Orwell's nightmare, Bush brought it to life. No more imprisonment without due process. No more torture. No more warrantless wire taps. This police state has got to go. Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
- I want the next Supreme Court appointees to be liberals.
- Religion, as well as all woo-woo superstition, needs to be removed from the White House. What is with Republicans and their dopey beliefs? At least Laura Bush wasn't consulting astrologers.