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I would rather buy my software...but since i barely make enough money to pay for school,food,gas in my car,insurance for may car, the needs, i cant go out and buy a 200-500 $ application...so of course i am gonna try to crack it.
If i am bad cause of this well then i am.
I agree. I mean, if you're going to be using it to make millions a year, it should be expensive. If you're just playing around, then you shouldn't have to pay through the nose.
Well yeah that's the idea with the standard and learning editions I think. Who wants to learn with somthing that has limited functionality though? Personally I do this for the learning, and if I ever turn it into a business then I'll pay for the tools... probably ;)
1) How'd you find the nerve to post such a question considering your statement that you yourself are using an illegal copy?
2) How may I get my own illegal copy of MS and other software and ? Specific links will be appreciated (email to [email protected])
Regarding MS Visual Studio et al; I'm saving up to buy a version that works as documented. When I find such a version, I too may pay for that software. I don't mean the documentation that says X% is supposed to work, but (1-X)%, where the supposedly cool functions are, don't work and you get 90 days to find out that those are the functions you need and don't work.
this is an example of what they are saying with the learning edition:
Once you learn how to swim, We'll pour the water into the pool
like once you learn how to program, you can get a job, and pay for the full version
(it doesn't happen that way)
I agree with Parksie on the issue of pirated software and people asking for links to warez, but i must say that i think development software is way over priced.
Also another big thing is books. When it costs like £35 to £40 for a good book to learn and use as a reference, not many people can afford that, especially a teenager like me.
(BTW, books like Teach Yourself Visual C++ 6 in 21 Days aint really available in public libraries in the UK. For example, in my school library, they have a book, "The Basic Programming Language" - 1982! Jeeezus!)
WOW 1982? That was before I was born :)
I dont think that my school liabrary even has programming books. (I goto a middle school 8th grade) in the USA
VirtuallyVB - because I'm very close to actually having a legal copy. If MS didn't charge so much for the sodding thing, then I'd have bought it earlier!
[Digital-X-Treme] - yeah, why can't libraries get their act together? They have loads of computer books but the problem is that it's advancing faster than they can be bothered to restock :(
And regarding my second question?
BTW, I'd be willing to pay the price they ask if it worked as documented (except when they document the fact that the percentage of stuff you need may not work and you only find which percentage you need after the warranty period).
[Edited by VirtuallyVB on 09-17-2000 at 02:13 PM]
But technically, I askedso that I may avoid such activities.Quote:
How may I get my own illegal copy of MS and other software and ?
I'm also interested in "reverse engineering" so that I may protect my own software of course; not to mention brushing up on my assembly language skills. Oh and yes, the ins and outs of firewalls and security to protect myself when I finally do get an "always on" account.
As always, I hold harmless anyone who may provide "direction" in my education on these matters.
BTW, I've been noticing alot of "con\con" posts lately. How may this be executed on a Win98-2(to possibly 4)-pc personal network (so that I may endeavor to protect against it once I understand how this is executed)? For instance, can one pc affect a specific pc on the "network" or will all be affected? Perhaps from "Start|Run" or a DOS prompt?
Regards and thanks to all you teachers of knowledge. You know who you are. Oh, also, anonimity on the web intrigues me. Guidance on this subject is also appreciated.
If you are interested...you can go to PSC and in the search engine type in "winsock" or "internet" i forget which..and then look for a program called "Spiderspoof" ..Spoofing is, if you didnt know already..when you "Mask" your ip address
For example lets say my ip is "122.333.444.555. ..whoever is concerned about my ip will see something different.
Which is one way to surf the web "anonymously".
If you want to buy lots of pirated software just go down any shop on Nathan Rd in Hong Kong or the Singapore Mall. Lots of stuff.
I just need some money for some plane tickets and accommodation.
I wonder if spoofing really works. Did you hear about that black box that the FBI has next to every router or some such? I think it goes like this: So, you want to be an ISP? Then you have to integrate our little black box. Nope, sorry, can't tell you what's in there, just attach it as we say and we'll let you be an ISP.
Apocalypse Dude,
"buy lots of pirated software"? Doesn't that take away the thrill, the adventure? Well I suppose flying to China may be a thrill. I've heard that other countries pirate US software and repackage it and sell it. Do you know the percentage of the U.S. retail cost that someone should expect to pay for such a product?
The British government wants to put them in as well. Demon caused a ruckus by refusing :).
Oh yeah, on my thread in Chit Chat I posted a link to MS' site about it. There's a fix on http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com for anyone who needs it (that's everyone!)
Um I dont know about you , but when someone says they're pirating, they're being honest to the fact that they didnt pay for it, but I know what you mean anyways....
If it wernt fot pirating I would not have the job nor the knowledge I have today, back in '95 I truely couldnt afford to go buy books, let alone buy the compilers themselves, I learned on Qbasic up until I got the internet, then I Was able to learn VB, VC++, Delphi, Pascal, etc all through trial/error and just playing with it, and even the help files. IT is my theory that Bill Gates (And whoever else) controls the flow of those people with the knowledge to use the products, by keeping prices up (least they were ALOT higher in the past) which would control the number of people more likely to have praticed with the tools.
But you are not going to find me asking for pirated software in these forums, since it's not appropiate, it's not what these forums are here for, if you want to steal crap, go where your meant to be, like on some IRC channel, or some URL Meant for pirating, but belive me you aint getting that information here.
Hehe, a major company already makes a shitload of money(yea that's me whinning away with my lame excuses) but I feel some of the people around here (mostly 56K modem people who things we are all dumb and will give them anything) are just lazy if they're asking "um for free?"
But I'm with you to the point that we dont need to see people bitching and whinning about it here. I currently dont need to pirate Development tools anymore since I am lisenced a copy through the MSDN Subscriptions to my company (Basically means that it is legal for any employee or affiliate to have a copy of their own if they work under the company that has the enterprise lisence)
But thanks to my hard work and studying I got this job, and "Warez" was a big help in "Obtaining knowledge"
I agree 100%
Just because you use warez doesn't mean you lie....
it just means that you are using warez....
You can get a legal version of Visual Studio without paying it. (Personal experience)
Go to a newbie-convention-programmer-wannabes-place, enter yourself in a VB contest that they're hosting, win 1st place, and they tend to give you Visual Studio as the grand prize. :rolleyes:
Of course, this is much easier in small programmer-less countries, like, I don't know, Israel for example. ;)
Funny you mention Israel as a programmer-less country, but it just may surprise you , alot of computer experts are from outside of the country looking for work in the US, just because there arnt enough americans with technical knowledge to fill the demands for the IT world. most of them come from middle east, india, etc, etc. so you'd be surprised how much more people have the IT knowledge per % of their country compared to per % of the US.
oh also The contest sounds nice, but you have to understand most of the people who are asking "Here" are too lazy to go out and try to win some contest, let alone be smart/(not lazy) enough to use a f**king search engine to find the warez hehe.
personally if you want it from a warez perspective, WWW is NOT the place to look for warez, IRC, FTP, Newsgroups are the way to go. (So for those of you asking here, go somewhere else)
DennisWreen , thanks for agreeing. :)
and thank you for SPELLING MY F**KING NAME RIGHT!!! AAAARRRRGGGG......
Just Kidding :D
I agree with you again Karl,
I am too lazy to enter any content that I can't take from my computer,
and if I need to "try before I buy" I use a search engine,
http://www.altavista.com
http://www.hotbot.com
http://www.northernlight.com
http://www.lycos.com
http://www.megago.com
http://www.37.com
http://www.yahoo.com
http://www.aol.com
http://www.netscape.com
http://www.google.com
http://www.euroseek.com
http://www.cnet.com
http://www.excite.com
http://www.goto.com
http://www.looksmart.com
http://www.zdnet.com
http://www.snap.com
I haven't used a search engine for a while, but those links should be right.
As soon as windows is actually worth what it costs, I'll consider buying it.
That should be: When it costs what it's worth. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by fly_phoenix
As soon as windows is actually worth what it costs, I'll consider buying it.
There are also ways to get Windows ME legally for free! For example, go to Israel again, but this time instead of going to a contest, just sign a contract saying you'll have to be a member of a very specific ISP for 3 months or so (I'm against free advertising, no name), and they'll just give you the OS. ;)
To clarify: When I said programmer-less, I meant teenage-programmer-less.
The place is flooded with non-teenage-programmers. Ever heard of... Mirabilis? :)
Either way. Now, windows costs a lot, but I would spend that on an OS that does not treat me to bleu screens every day or so.
If windows would be cheaper I'ld probably buy it as well.
So the way I see it, no matter how you say it, it ends up at the same conclusion:
Windows sucks
Well... anyone who bought 3DSMAX? ;)
Switch to DOS mode (in Windows mode Kernel32.dll is read-only).Quote:
Originally posted by fly_phoenix
I would spend that on an OS that does not treat me to blue screens every day or so.
Use a DOS disassembler which you previously bought (or pirated). :rolleyes:
Disassemble Kernel32.dll (you'll have to get permission from Microsoft to disassemble it, actually).
Find the code of the Blue Screen of Death (TM).
Locate the code which switches to text-mode and clears the screen.
Immediately before clear-screen code, there should be a set-background-color code.
Change it to green!
Then you'll live with an OS that treats you to green screens every day or so. :)
3D Studio Max: I know only one person who actually paid for it. And, he got a much lower price than usual because he said it's for "educational purposes only". (He wasn't really lying, he does teach a graphics class and use this program, but I guess he conveniently "forgot" to tell them he uses it for personal purposes 90% of the time :)).
As a student in highschool, i am learning visual basic. I have already taught myself HTML. Im lovin VB right now. I cant afford to buy a $250(?) program just so i cant make little applications. And my parents wont buy it for me, so what am I to do. I use VB6 right now, borrowed from a friend. I am also interested in graphic design. How the hell can i afford to buy photoshop or illustrator or homesite(HTML) or any other programs that are designer level tools? I think companies would make a lot mere money if the sell a lot of cheaper products, than a few more expensive products.
-Steve
Yonatan:
WinME SUCKS!!!
well, so I hear,
a friend of mine has it and he says that there is no DOS, OR console......
:mad:
BTW, the friend posted right here on this thread.... can ya guess who?? :D
but I guess winme isn't so bad if you don't have to pay for it..
Well it's kinda like this, what you do with the tools may be extremly simple to what it's capable of, also most of those companies look at it from a corporate sense, figureing that you are going to use their 'Professional' software to make much much more money than you paid for the product itself, also if they could probally tell us how many manhours they put into writing it (hehe I'm not bitching, I used to write freeware and custom appz for anyone who wanted) but that's what they will tell you, now something like Windows, if it isnt NT or something meant for a company, they really should drop the price on the thing. Of all the people who do pirate it, its extremly small compared to those who buy it, heck several companies even admited leaking their own serial numbers for their own products, to "Boost popularity of the product". and then later offer a more "Enhanced" version without the purposly leaked serials. They're have been many companies much smaller than microsoft that say they do not worry about warez people, since it's such a tiny share of their market. (well also considering they wouldnt know how to count all the theives, but hey if thats what they want to belive)
now 250$ is very small price compared what it used to be a long time ago ( I musta been looking at pro or enterprise edition) VB5 cost 1100$ when I first seen it come out, it had to be anything but the "learners" or "standard" edition.
anyone care to refresh my history?
Hey Dennis, WinME does suck hehe, I had it for only 3 days, and I reverted back to Win98SE after quite a few trobeling problems. ESPECIALLY with realplayer oh god, cant install nor uninstall that once I had WinME. go back to 98SE, then all of those new problems I had in WinME were gone.
damn, you guessed who I was talkin' 'bout!!!
I thought i had it hidden enough :D
I actually have WinME and it's way better than Win98. I'd say it's the same as Win98 but more user friendly, ie. you can now 'officially' remove the Logoff-menu from the start button and such things. In fact you can't boot into DOS mode, but there's still a console where you can play your games, and I'm sure you still have a bootdisk ;)
That's it :)
All i got to say is i hope the majority of you didn't put your real info in your profile. Fbi gonna put ya on the big list and then ya have to pay for the product plus a fine.
Not that i do steal software but i'm sure the FBI has much better things too do than to monitor a bunch of VB programmers to see if their versions of VS are legal. But then again...
D!m
They aren't paying attention to us little people.
they have other things to do....
other people to arrest..
sites that actually let you download pirated software.....
I assume they will go after the "distributers" first...
then go after us little people...
but there are too many "distributers" for the FBI to ever worry about the little people :rolleyes:
I've been on the scene long enough to know that the FBI and any other affiliates dont care about the little guys, they look for those huge distributors, and people with really fast connections doing the the root of the privacy themselves, that way stamping out the big guys is alot easier than stamping out the hundreds and thousands they distribute to. why do you think the DEA go down to countries like guatamala, and some south american jungles, to stump out the sources of the of the major drugs, they're not going to try to stump out the thousands of users in the US , if they can stop it from one grand location. Besides Piracy isnt a Juristriction of the FBI, since it covers international laws. (So it's a little hard to watch who there nabbing, especially when yer dealing with international trades)
I have used warez alot in the past, and still am,
but I am starting a business really soon. And I am trying to stop doing that, so I wont get in trouble.....
and I urge you to stop pirating software!!!
if I find you pirate any of my future software, my policy will be strict!
I'll sue you, then use the money I got from the lawsuit, to personaly fly to your country/city/state and kick your ASS!
Be friendly Dennis you'll stay in the business longer, and not hated like microsoft (besides it's hard to start up, I understand) if you do get into programming biz, look into Web Development.
yea, then the person will sue you for that, and you'll be in a lot of *touble*
I don't care if people like me,
if I have my money, and my real friends(who don't pirate my software) I am fine :D
and BTW I was just kinda making a joke.. I wouldn't really kick somebody's ass.....
maybe just fry their HDD ;)
and karl, I know web dev. is a gooood paying industry, but I don't have the time to do that kind of stuff.
I have to go to school :(
I could make pre-written scripts, like forums and whatnot.. but it would be too time consuming and stuff.... to actually make webpages for people..
PLUS, I would have to register my business right away, and I don't have the money for that...
I don't even have enough to register the domain, but I guess I'll have to figure out some way to do something... :(
That's not the point Dimava...
It's just that for you it's so cool when someone actually attempts to crack your software, you feel important but that's because you aren't big time programmer. For the people that actually code for a living it's becomes an issue when you start to lose money to warez versions of your program. Corp. like MS aren't THAT worried about these issues because it not THAT much money to them. But like i said businesses that depend on revenue from their software will fail because some script kiddie cracker wannabe found the algorithm someplace and started to distribute it.
D!m
[Edited by Dim on 09-20-2000 at 10:33 PM]
that was short, but meaning ful, I think taht you are right in a way, and it would suck if I spent like 6 months on a program, and then someone cracks it and gets it for free
Exactly!!!
To see if i can get any warez junkies to shed a tear...what if you had 12 kids and a wife that were dependent on your salary to get them by and you were an independent software developer, and the only revenue came from your business. Then a warez copy of you latest program came out and you started to lose major money and your family started to go hungry, you lost your job and your house, your wife ran away, your kids sent to an orfanage (am good speller) and you were left all alone to die...JUST because a bunch of "crackers" decided to distribute a cracked ver of your program. :(
D!m
:)
ok, you're over over over over over exagerating it all
You mean a bunch of kids who call themselves "|_33+ h4><0|2z" ? (Did anyone get that?)
Most people who call themselves hack0r and what not, they're all just wanabes, real hackers dont use l33t talk, and expose themselves, to be a hacker is to do alot of research on your own, and no go "ohhh I'm gona crash yer puter boy" also far as the shed of tears, hehe belive me I've wrote software, any software I Felt worthwhile the cost, I have actually paid for (most were under 100 bucks, and most were developed by one man corporations) but I've written freeware in the past, to give back to people who want somehting quick and fast, also one should be so proud that someone would be eager enough to crack their program (that is if it doesnt effect them greatly financially) there is a saying out in the warez community , which I feel is true, nothing is uncrackable, eventually it'll be cracked. (not something we should have to live with, but hey it happens) I used to write software for a small warez group, oh also I never hang around in the major warez channel, especially not the major warez populated IRC servers like Dalnet, Efnet, Etc, feds are always watching those places, I get my stuff from more private reasoures (or eh I used to get my stuff that way) , so I write code, I teach people how to program, I share code, I'm a tipmaster at tek-tips.com , I'm paying for my domain and webhosting(I gota start doing someont with that page, or it's money to waste) bunch of stuff, and heck no, I'm not saying I should or deserve to grab this stuff fer "Free" hehe. But I'd be glad to offer any common advise for the stuff that most crackers easily look at. also there is probally ALOT more people who have the software pirated, than the companies even know about.
two reasons why some Warezers, will end up paying for software(maybe three):
* They just couldnt crack it got fustrated and cought up the money
* They felt the software was actually worth the money asked for, and wanted to get support + etc
* (maybe) they felt sympathetic with the programmer.
I'm not as heavy into the biz as I used to be, I may have grabed a few games here and there, but not into the appz, or dev tools anymore since I Can get those through company/enterprise lisence.
oh a word on Game Programming, I've known a few game programmers (like for Quake-like games), this is a paraphrased quote from one.
"Game programming is one of the most borring, the hardest, and fustrating type of programming out there... but it sure is fun as hell to play the final product"
I guess for many programmers, they do it for money, I program for the love of it, it's almost like sculpturing, you've Created something, and you are able to pass that knowledge to the next person.
oh one product that is freeware, that I obsolutly love (facint some major bugs discovered after 2 years tho) is the creator of WarFTP Deamon (Warez best friend :} ) , jgaa.com , currently 1.71 is the latest, because all versions prior has a security bug, also I'm awaiting 3.0, this software is free for non-commercial or goverment use (gota love that, keep the big guys hands off it, and help all the little guys like us) has one of the best FTP servers compared to all the Retail stuff, just shows what a little lovin for programming goes. of course if people ***** at ya , you could just say "hey you got it for free, stop bitching"
If i knew it was some inde software devloper making a app..i wouldnt try to crack it or anything like that..i would buy it if i had the money..or just leave it alone..
BUT when it comes to mega gazillionars like billy Gate$
He can afford for some of his stuff to be cracked.
"I know am an *******...it says so on mah birth certificate"