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Hello everyone,
When opening the release-built exe file in a plain text editor, certain strings from the program appear in plain text format. There are certain pieces of information within my program that should not be viewed by anyone using the exe file, is there a way to hide certain/all strings in an executable program file?
(i am using the full Visual Studio .NET 2003 Enterprise)
Thank You
There is a built in obfusicator (spell?) in 2003. This is what you are looking for, but I can't tell you how to use it as I haven't done it myself.
Use dotfuscator , it's located in tools menu in VS.NET 2003 only. BTW , in .NET not only some strings can be revealed but also the code with enough details for newbie crackers :D. I forgot what's that tool called .
You can also encrypt sensitive data like your DB connection string and store it in your applications config file.
But , this dotfuscator tool is optimized to encrypt .NET code and MS say also this will faster your code execution and your prog at whole .Quote:
Originally posted by VBCrazyCoder
You can also encrypt sensitive data like your DB connection string and store it in your applications config file.
Hmmm. Didn't know it could also speed up your app. Maybe it runs it through the ngen utility as part of the obfuscation process? Interesting...
I don't know much about this beast and never tried it before, but I've read it turns the code into native lang , instead of translating it from IL to then to native code .
Yea , this is one of 100 links available on the net that talks about it . A brief
Thanks everyone, Dotfuscator™ seems ot be a good solution, strangely enough though how come microsoft didn't manage to come up with something like this through their 7 editions of visual basic?
Ah well, i'm looking for the professional edition since the one included with .NET 2003 Enterprise Architect is a limited one, if anyone could provide a link to the full professional version, that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again,
Ramez
It's here :
http://www.xtras.net/Products/dotfuscator.asp
thanks, but i was thinking more like a link that allows me to get it for free?
The professional edition costs $1400+!
I'll let you know if I find a place to download it, if anyone else has/had better luck finding it, please let me know :)
Thank You
:eek: ..................:D ;) . So , you are one of the good guys here:D , join the club . If I ever found it , surly I'll let you know and I'll stick it to my coming website too . :)
thanks... i'm sure that program will show up sooner or later... hope ur warez site comes up soon :)
still digging for Dotfuscator Professional 2.0 ...
Goodluck ;) .
It is funny how you want to protect your code, but in the same breath you want to steal someone elses code. I hope others crack and steal your code also.
My program-to-be is freeware, as I believe all programs should be. By using retail software for free I am fighting for my beliefs. I am standing by a just cause.
Give me a break. Do you really think that Visual Studio.Net IDE would have been created just for free? Do you think Windows would ever come as far as it has for free?Quote:
Originally posted by ramezb84
My program-to-be is freeware, as I believe all programs should be. By using retail software for free I am fighting for my beliefs. I am standing by a just cause.
If you are so into free software, why are you even developing with .Net? If you were really into it as you say you are, you would be using Linux, Open Office, and C++ with a free compiler.
You are definately NOT standing by a just cause. If you were, you wouldn't be using MS products.
At least some people on here (Pirate) fully admit that they do it, but don't hide behind some 'just' cause.
If your product is freeware, why not make it open source since you believe in it so much. Then, you wouldn't need to hide anything either.
Puhleez! So you're saying that people who live their lives writing software shouldn't be paid for it? Lemme guess - you're still living at home and don't have to worry about things like bills, right? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by ramezb84
My program-to-be is freeware, as I believe all programs should be. By using retail software for free I am fighting for my beliefs. I am standing by a just cause.
Just because it isn't tangible doesn't mean that people don't bust their asses writing software and shouldn't be paid for it! You'd better wake up and smell the coffee or find a different career path, cause you'll find yourself living in a hovel real quick if you aren't paid for your hard work.
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.....By using retail software for free I am fighting for my beliefs. I am standing by a just cause.
That's a good one! "...fighting for my beliefs." The belief to be a thief?
Nobody forces you to buy Bill Gates or anyone elses software. Support the freeware guys of the world. Send money to guys who buiild freeware. They are all over the Internet. hellswraith named a few.
Hey..... send me some cash so I can stay home and write software programs. I will build anything you want if you support me. Otherwise, write it yourself and I will gladly use it to keep from having to buy any.
Your beliefs are crap! Nothing just about stealing.Quote:
Originally posted by ramezb84
My program-to-be is freeware, as I believe all programs should be. By using retail software for free I am fighting for my beliefs. I am standing by a just cause.
If you REALLY want to express your beliefs, then you should be using free software, not stealing others under the BS statement you made.
Why everybody is against ramezb84 ?:confused: . Most of you guys are just followers . You just use warezd programs and hide yourselves under the name of legality . They know themselves very well .
OK , I admit it I use these copy softwares, and I deserve if someone could hacked or cracked my programs . so , eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth .
so ramezb84 , go on , do what you believe in . ;)
Well Linux came even further and it was always free...Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Give me a break. Do you really think that Visual Studio.Net IDE would have been created just for free? Do you think Windows would ever come as far as it has for free?
If you are so into free software, why are you even developing with .Net? If you were really into it as you say you are, you would be using Linux, Open Office, and C++ with a free compiler.
You are definately NOT standing by a just cause. If you were, you wouldn't be using MS products.
At least some people on here (Pirate) fully admit that they do it, but don't hide behind some 'just' cause.
If your product is freeware, why not make it open source since you believe in it so much. Then, you wouldn't need to hide anything either.
.NET.. well, its the best I could find, and i am using it for free, so basically, no violoation as far as what i believe in is concerned...
I didn't refer to Open-Source in any way, but my opinion about it is that i admore those ppl who r willing to create such software and have others add to it and enhance it, yet i personally would rather be credited for my own work rather than someone else. Its basically a generosity issue, just a part f everyone's personality. I wouldn't mind developing small open-source methods but I am not generous enough to spend a few weeks/months working on something just so someone else can put his name on it.
hmm.. people maybe... microsoft no. sorry, i just don't believe in something costing say $1 mil to make, then be sold for $100 mil!Quote:
Originally posted by Sheppe
Puhleez! So you're saying that people who live their lives writing software shouldn't be paid for it? Lemme guess - you're still living at home and don't have to worry about things like bills, right? :rolleyes:
Just because it isn't tangible doesn't mean that people don't bust their asses writing software and shouldn't be paid for it! You'd better wake up and smell the coffee or find a different career path, cause you'll find yourself living in a hovel real quick if you aren't paid for your hard work.
But isn't the fact that you are using .NET in some way supporting it - wether you paid for it or not?
Thanks pirate...
also, one last thing...
If you're distributing free software it is very likely to reach a good deal of people today... Optional registration with no added advantages isn't such a bad idea. I personally would pay for something if i thought it was worthwhile, as gratitude and to support the make to make more. But this is under my own will. I never actually faced such a situation, but IF VS .NET was freeware, i would be willing to register it, but not for 1000 or 2000 dollars!
I am not really supporting .NET software. I know that more people who actually learn about VS .NET from my software distribution will be able to get it for free from all those good guys in the world who are running their own computers and utilizing their own internet connections to allow others to enjoy all levels of software. Such people i have always supported, and I was actually one of them, though i went to the greater limit of actually purchasing remote servers, and had several thousand users, before greed got to me, and i decided to make a members-only paid area... i was making alot of extra cash, but there was no fun runnning the whole thing... so i eventually got bored and stopped. However i admit that that was a BIG mistake, I could've ran the whole thing by charging ppl much much less to just compensate for server fees, or added an optional Donate button, but no, i had a "microsoft" mind of my own back then. BTW, at that time.. i was still in highschool, so... honest mistake!
Dont pass judgement on what you THINK others do. Every piece of software I use is paid for. If I can't afford it, I find a free alternative. I do NOT steal someone else under the guise of its my belief.Quote:
Originally posted by Pirate
Why everybody is against ramezb84 ?:confused: . Most of you guys are just followers . You just use warezd programs and hide yourselves under the name of legality . They know themselves very well .
OK , I admit it I use these copy softwares, and I deserve if someone could hacked or cracked my programs . so , eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth .
so ramezb84 , go on , do what you believe in . ;)
Then tell me. Why havent you found the legally free alternatives?Quote:
If you're distributing free software it is very likely to reach a good deal of people today
"IF" you distribute free software it will reach alot of people. I personally will make and distribute free software. IF someone produced something similar to VB .NET for free, i'd be glad to use it.Quote:
Originally posted by Cander
Dont pass judgement on what you THINK others do. Every piece of software I use is paid for. If I can't afford it, I find a free alternative. I do NOT steal someone else under the guise of its my belief.
Then tell me. Why havent you found the legally free alternatives?
Oh, and as for "passing judgement" it serves the purpose of pointing out the VAST majority.
ah free alternative . It's easy to guess either Kaza or emule .Quote:
Originally posted by Cander
Every piece of software I use is paid for. If I can't afford it, I find a free alternative. I do NOT steal someone else under the guise of its my belief.
I can't understand why you are defending MS ? though , I'm so sure you have some bad impression on them .MS have their own lawyers. Anyways , to sum up , I would say :
If MS wants to protect their products , they will do if they couldn't cut this issue off , at least they will reduce it at any cost.
So, I'll do what I want to do , until MS stop me not anybody else.
Hey guys.........if you are going to use the argument that you want "Free" software so that you can distribute "Free" software then take a class at your local college and get the software for free or at a reduced rate. Microsoft doesn't want you using the software commericially but as far as I know they don't have a problem with you distributing free apps. This way you have the full version software (legally) and can continue your quest to make (your) free software available to everyone.Quote:
I personally would pay for something if i thought it was worthwhile, as gratitude and to support the make to make more. But this is under my own will. I never actually faced such a situation, but IF VS .NET was freeware, i would be willing to register it, but not for 1000 or 2000 dollars!
The bottom line is.....you are a thief. If you think Microsoft's stuff is worth using then you must think it is worth paying for. Microsoft can choose to charge whatever they want for their stuff. Hey...IT"S THEIR'S!!!!!! It ain't yours!!!! You don't have some God given right to use someone elses' stuff.
I have been down the pirate, hacking and cracking trails and I can tell you that there is enough freeware, and legally optional ways to get software other than stealing it.
One other thing. Don't be so careless to admit you use priated apps. Believe it or not, you are not anonymous and you ARE hanging yourself when you openly admit it.
Be "crafty" not "shafty".
I agree birthjay.
I still don't understand the need to steal VS.Net though. There is plenty of free options out there that allow you to code .Net apps without having to steal the VS.Net IDE.
http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/
www.asp.net
http://www.go-mono.com/
Just because you can't afford it, does not make it right. Sure, I hate that BMW's cost so much for what you get, but I am not going to just steal one and name my cause to be something just. Just because you don't get caught as easy stealing software, does not make it right. Period.
That is some text I got from the following linkQuote:
The Dotfuscator Community Edition is a third-party tool that is included with Visual Studio .NET 2003. The Dotfuscator Community Edition is a version of the PreEmptive Solution application that includes fewer features that the full version of the product.
You can use this tool to obfuscate the Microsoft intermediate language (MSIL) code that Visual Studio .NET generates. The obfuscation process prevents malicious users from decompiling MSIL code to obtain the source code. Obfuscation protects the developer’s intellectual property.
The obfuscation process removes debugging information and metadata from assemblies. Therefore, the resulting assemblies are smaller.
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;820664
There are freeware tools that do what VS.NET does:Quote:
Originally posted by ramezb84
Thanks pirate...
also, one last thing...
If you're distributing free software it is very likely to reach a good deal of people today... Optional registration with no added advantages isn't such a bad idea. I personally would pay for something if i thought it was worthwhile, as gratitude and to support the make to make more. But this is under my own will. I never actually faced such a situation, but IF VS .NET was freeware, i would be willing to register it, but not for 1000 or 2000 dollars!
http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/
I believe hellswraith pointed out this one and some others too.
sorry for the late reply,was kinda busy, thought i shouldpost this just so u know i ain't backing out...
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the free vb.net ide tool looks good, but the last thing i want to use to create a stable application is a take-off from another program. this will probably cause many errors to my program's users and i believe its a bit ironic to distribute distribute harmful software whose main purpose is to help others and provide free services.
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ms products and alternatives...
well, lets see here...
when i first begun my venture with computers, as most of us did, i begun with a primitive brand... in my case, amiga 500... then when i was about 9 or10 i moved on to pc dos > win 3.1 > win 95 ... i was fairly young back then, and that was the only way i knew to use a computer.
what i am trying to say here is ...
this same senario happened with many ppl before... i am sure.
ms products are no longer a luxury, but rather an essential of ones life.
and i think charging $2000 for one of these essentials is more like blackmail.. i know you will point weakness to my above statement but imagine this...
i need to use a computer... so much of my daily life depends on using a computer.. i basically know one way to use it... i cannot switch to a whole other system cuz i this is the only thing i am accustomed with, and it is the enviroment i need for all the other software i use which is incompatible with other products.
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also.. think of these little senarios...
- i goto the store, i buy some food.. i pay for it.. i invite friends/people to come over and have lunch... i may even give away some of the food to strangers! i am thanked for that...
- lets think of something re-usable... i buy a new vacuum.. i pay for it... i use it to clean my house.. i llet my friends use it as well... and out of generosity if anyone asks to use it i wouldn't really mind so long as my original version of the vacuum is not affected. i am thanked for that...
i goto a software store.. i buy a software cd.. i use all i want of it.. i want to give it to my friends, or anyone who asks for it to use, as i am done with it, i may even ask them to return it so i can add it to my stack... i am sued for that!
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Talk about a can of worms.... one thing I noticed that no one seemed to mentioned was the fact that the only part of .NET that MS is charging for is VS.NET.... you can download the .NET SDK for FREE and use Notepad or some other editor to create the code, then use the commandline compilerto create your apps.... what's the prob? I forget who said it, but I agree w/ the statement, that if tha pp is worthwile, I pay for it... if not, then I'll find a free version... that's why I use OpenOffic.org instead of MSOffice... same functionality... BETTER actually... and it's free.
I'm all for freeware, but I also think that there's a ton of pay software that's tops too and those people deserve to have their hard work paid for.... any cracks, hacks or warez is 100% stealing.....
Theft: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
Stealing: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
WOW! That has got to be the biggest and most rediculous stretch of a comparison I have even seen.... that doesn't even come close.....Quote:
Originally posted by ramezb84
also.. think of these little senarios...
- i goto the store, i buy some food.. i pay for it.. i invite friends/people to come over and have lunch... i may even give away some of the food to strangers! i am thanked for that...
- lets think of something re-usable... i buy a new vacuum.. i pay for it... i use it to clean my house.. i llet my friends use it as well... and out of generosity if anyone asks to use it i wouldn't really mind so long as my original version of the vacuum is not affected. i am thanked for that...
i goto a software store.. i buy a software cd.. i use all i want of it.. i want to give it to my friends, or anyone who asks for it to use, as i am done with it, i may even ask them to return it so i can add it to my stack... i am sued for that!
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What you have done is to compare apples to tires.... ramezb84, stop now before you hurt yourself....
Let me ask you a question: When you bought that food.... or bought that vacuum, did you SIGN A USER LICENCE AGREEMENT? What? You DIDN'T? That's why you can share the food, that's why some one can borrow your vacuum.... but then you install software, by "clicking OK, you agree to bind yourself to the agreement." -- ALSO, when you bought the food and vacuum, you bought the actual items... something people tend to forget, when you buy software, you are not buying the software... you are buying a LICENS ALLOWING you to use the program, under certain conditions. Should the conditions be violated, by either the end user, or buy the company, then the license may be voided. Trust me, I've actualy read the EULA.... have you? You do not own the software, you've meerly bought the right to use it. That's it nothing more.
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- lets think of something re-usable... i buy a new vacuum.. i pay for it... i use it to clean my house.. i llet my friends use it as well... and out of generosity if anyone asks to use it i wouldn't really mind so long as my original version of the vacuum is not affected. i am thanked for that...
ramezb84 - You make good points that most folks can identify with. Bill Gates; despite what he will admit; does have a monopoly in this world. I certainly sympathize with your comments. Utimately though, we all take responsiblity for our actions. As far as the vaccuum cleaner........well.......a vacuum cleaner doesn't come with a license agreement. Bill's software does. If the vaccuum cleaner company sold the vaccuum cleaner to be used in one household only, then your arguement wouldn't be any good.
Interesting discussion.
You mean , endless discussion !:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by birthjay
Interesting discussion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Quote:
i need to use a computer... so much of my daily life depends on using a computer.. i basically know one way to use it... i cannot switch to a whole other system cuz i this is the only thing i am accustomed with, and it is the enviroment i need for all the other software i use which is incompatible with other products.
You can't switch to a whole other system.....WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. People do it every day.
I got an idea, why don't you send a email here and explain it to them....lol.
I am done with this, you obviously won't accept that you are stealing, so the point of arguing is pointless. Good luck in life.
Actually you can borrow the software to someone else!! According to the license agreement, One license can be installed on only one machine at a time. It doesn't say that you can only install it on one machine, and you can never install it on another machine again. They only say that it can be installed on one computer at a time. It's completely legal to install on another machine, as long as you uninstall it on the first machine before you install on the other machine.
u all make good arguments,and indeed if there would be anyone to judge amongst us 'legally' i wouldn't have anyy sort of chance...
however... lets goto a much closer example...
i pay taxes, u pay taxes... taxes are raised.. i can't pay i protest.. it is 'illegal' not to pay, yet i ma fighting against the law itself... and even with taxes.. taxes are proportional to what i got, not what some randomly chosen citizen has...
in this case, i am not saying that the eula allows me to use the software for free, however i am saying i am against the eula stating that i cannot share a piece of software, and i hope so many ppl would share my point, some of which would be overly rich and decide to fund a freeware-dedicated microsoft. till then, i will be using 'illegal' software...
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bottom line.. microsoft has certain policies by which it runs... i am against many(most) of them, i hate the company, but i love its products.
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okay, now for a bit of change.. simply for opinions, no flags raised... what do u think of bill gates?
what i think about whenever i think about him is death.. and it frightens me like hell when i'm too bored to busy myself with anything else... this guy has this incredible name and fortune... yet he's still after more.. its his choice of life and i can't blame him, but what's the difference between $65.272379 billion and one billion or few hundred mil for someone like that? i know being the richest man in the world has its 'rushes' but.. what's next?
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u might think this is a different person talking but its actually ramezb84 after 2 am.. i've been told i get much different at that time, 'drunk' was a way some described it actually.
I agree, what is the difference between having $65.2 billion and one billion.Quote:
okay, now for a bit of change.. simply for opinions, no flags raised... what do u think of bill gates?
what i think about whenever i think about him is death.. and it frightens me like hell when i'm too bored to busy myself with anything else... this guy has this incredible name and fortune... yet he's still after more.. its his choice of life and i can't blame him, but what's the difference between $65.272379 billion and one billion or few hundred mil for someone like that? i know being the richest man in the world has its 'rushes' but.. what's next?
In a way, you know that we all idolize him in some way. We would all like to be rich, and some of use have dreams of starting a software company. We all use the products, and all love them.
There is one big question that I've asked myself for a long time now. Why do they still need to charge so much? Wouldn't they make the same amount of money if they lowered the prices a little? I mean that the reason most people pirate software, is because they can't afford it.
Your right, we all envy him in a way, that is why some choose to make fun of him.Quote:
Originally posted by crpietschmann
I agree, what is the difference between having $65.2 billion and one billion.
In a way, you know that we all idolize him in some way. We would all like to be rich, and some of use have dreams of starting a software company. We all use the products, and all love them.
There is one big question that I've asked myself for a long time now. Why do they still need to charge so much? Wouldn't they make the same amount of money if they lowered the prices a little? I mean that the reason most people pirate software, is because they can't afford it.
The reason they charge what they do is because the market supports that price. They are a publicly traded company, which means that people like you and I have invested in the company. They are responsible to make their company grow so the people investing in their company make money. If they lowered the price of all their software (which I guarentee they would if sales dropped off hard), then their profits would shrink, and people would stop investing in the company.
Sure, you can argue that they could lower their prices, and they would sale more, but that isn't always the case. Do you really think that someone like ramezb84 would start buying Windows if the price was half as much, ($100)? The odds are against it, so why do it? MS does a lot of research on their prices, they won't screw themselves over, trust me. They are way to smart for that.
You know, following this thread is like watching a slow moving train wreck. You know the horror and carnage that will ensue, and yet come back for more...
ramezb84 -- I'm sorry, but I have trouble taking any of your arguements seriously.... for many reasons. 1) Your comparisons are just freakin stupid and rediculous. Once again, you are comparing apples to tires. 2) Who cares about the man at the top? Do you really think he has nothing better to do than to sit around comming up with the prices for MS products? Get real. That's what the Marketing & Research department is for. 3) If you want to give away YOUR programs for free, fine so be it. BUT, if you were giving away MY stuff for free like that, first you'll find yourself in court, and second, I'd make your happy little arse explain to my family why I wouldn't be able to afford food for the table. 4) I have trouble taking seriously ANYBODY who doesn't take the time to THINK about what they are about to say and ARTICULATE with PROPER SPELLING and usage their words. It's "people", not "ppl", and "you" not "u" and "I is capitalized.
crpietschmann - why do they charge so much? You try supporting thousands of developers on freeware. The average developer at MS make a serious amount of money. Plus all those CDs and DVD cost money to buy and produce. They go through the same research as other products when determining the price. Econ 101. You calculate the cost of the product, per unit, from start to the moment it hits the shelves. Then you toss on a markup value on it. Then using a number of other factors, determine what the public would be willing to pay for. And using all that, you come up with the the MSRP (Manufacter's Suggested Retail Price). And that's how it works.
The most a fully functional computer can cost is the cost of the hardware....
everything else can be got for free.... LEGITITMATELY! Linux - Free.... OpenOffice.org - Free ... Java SDK - Free -- Editors for Java -- Free.... Did I miss any thing?
And that crap about not being able to switch to a whole other system? Last I looked, KDE and Gnome looked a lot like Windows. And OO.org, looks just like MS Office.
AND if you are that so tied to Windows because it's all you know.... maybe it's time to learn something else.
Generally, change is good.
Agree!
You know, following this thread is like watching a slow moving train wreck. You know the horror and carnage that will ensue, and yet come back for more...
and u call my similis lame?!
ramezb84 -- I'm sorry, but I have trouble taking any of your arguements seriously.... for many reasons. 1) Your comparisons are just freakin stupid and rediculous. Once again, you are comparing apples to tires.
hey when it comes to money i can compare houses to ppl, all has got a price!
2) Who cares about the man at the top? Do you really think he has nothing better to do than to sit around comming up with the prices for MS products? Get real. That's what the Marketing & Research department is for.
well then our address is to them, as for HIM he's got enough money to make a better impression in the world before he leaves it.. i hope he does(make a better impression lol)
3) If you want to give away YOUR programs for free, fine so be it. BUT, if you were giving away MY stuff for free like that, first you'll find yourself in court, and second, I'd make your happy little arse explain to my family why I wouldn't be able to afford food for the table.
i don't know what sort of crisis programming got u out or what experiences gave u the idea everything should be paid for. true, some ppl's lives depend on programming, but i do not believe that should be the case with essential services users need. and i consider windows and visual studio an essential service.
4) I have trouble taking seriously ANYBODY who doesn't take the time to THINK about what they are about to say and ARTICULATE with PROPER SPELLING and usage their words. It's "people", not "ppl", and "you" not "u" and "I is capitalized.
yeah well, this is how i type, maybe i don't got all the extra fat on my to give me energy to type twice as much text, but i get the message over, and this is a widely used method of communicating in forums, be the duscussions any level or seriousness.
crpietschmann - why do they charge so much? You try supporting thousands of developers on freeware. The average developer at MS make a serious amount of money. Plus all those CDs and DVD cost money to buy and produce. They go through the same research as other products when determining the price. Econ 101. You calculate the cost of the product, per unit, from start to the moment it hits the shelves. Then you toss on a markup value on it. Then using a number of other factors, determine what the public would be willing to pay for. And using all that, you come up with the the MSRP (Manufacter's Suggested Retail Price). And that's how it works.
that is total bs, there are some public records signifying way against that, are u saying microsoft's prices are actually logical?! are u saying that if i pay $2000 for a piece of software, the company's net prophet is 3 or 4 hundred?! i don't think so! do u realize how many paying users there are in the world? search a bit for microsoft's profits and u'll see that they are making a very high profit on most their products. so basically, prices are high, very high, and u cannot argue that they can't lower them any further... and if they don't i'm sticking to my warez sources.
The most a fully functional computer can cost is the cost of the hardware....
everything else can be got for free.... LEGITITMATELY! Linux - Free.... OpenOffice.org - Free ... Java SDK - Free -- Editors for Java -- Free.... Did I miss any thing?
And that crap about not being able to switch to a whole other system? Last I looked, KDE and Gnome looked a lot like Windows. And OO.org, looks just like MS Office.
no os can give the stability and same features as windows. more importantly program compatibility is largely dependent on running a windows os. most new programs i use don't run on other os's. i tried switching to linux before.. i even got this "lindows" thing, which is basically the interface of windows xp on a linux background, but pretty much nothing worked!
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to be honest, when a program has a high price there is something really great about that... and i must admit, i kinda antagonistically think microsoft should make their prices even higher rather than lower...
cuz high prices software is so much better distributed in warez sources than cheaper less known stuff!!! the the .net ide was available the minute it was on the shelves! yet i couldn't find complete versions of other, cheaper software.
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Dude... do you realise how many YEARS did it take to develop .NET? How many programmers / testers /research did it take to code & Test it. How many MAN HOURS went into it...Quote:
that is total bs, there are some public records signifying way against that, are u saying microsoft's prices are actually logical?! are u saying that if i pay $2000 for a piece of software, the company's net prophet is 3 or 4 hundred?! i don't think so! do u realize how many paying users there are in the world? search a bit for microsoft's profits and u'll see that they are making a very high profit on most their products. so basically, prices are high, very high, and u cannot argue that they can't lower them any further... and if they don't i'm sticking to my warez sources.
Then MS has to buy HARDWARE aswell. Nothing is free. MS is a company... and they need to make a profit.
EVEN if they lower prices people won't buy it... people will ALWAYS warez stuff. Take the game "Serious Sam" .. it was like $20 when it was release... people still bought the warez copy...:rolleyes:
And just think... if you develop a excellent application... its your choice to give it away for free... but if is that great... you can make thousands of $$ with it (develop it once, resell it to people).
Even with open source where you develop software for free, who is going to pay the bills , put food on the table? Why do you think Linux is still where it is? Nobody is going to give away an application that took them months to write (or at least me)
ramezb84, you make me laugh. You tout how good MS software is, yet you refuse to pay for it. You're not just stiffing MS when you steal their software, you're ripping off the guys who worked on its development! You expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter, whether or not the developers can feed their families. Your logic is stupid. Don't try to make excuses for the theft that you are commiting - there is no good excuse. If you're going to steal software, at least just admit to it rather then making up some BS reasoning.
And you never answered my question. Are you still living at home, enjoying the comfort of not having to pay for things like bills and food?
I don't support warez. But I have to say that I have gone that rought before so that I would be able to learn how to use that software. Heck, that is how I got into programming and was able to start learning Visual Basic in the first place. I did what I could with what I could find to get what I wanted.
I do fully support buying software that you use. You must support the developers that made it. If there weren't developers, then there wouldn't be any software. It is the same reason that I buy CD's from bands that I like.
There are alot of free things that Microsoft does give people with the money that they make with their over priced software.
Like:
- .NET Framework
- DirectX
- MSDN
- Internet Information Server (IIS)
- Internet Explorer
- All the patches and service packs for their software
- All the games and other stuff that comes with Windows
- and more...
We are not just paying for Windows, but we are paying for all that other stuff. We are also paying for them to be able to develop new versions of all their software.
I do think that they could lower the price, but I also think that Microsoft isn't completely ripping everyone off.
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i never avoid answering questions, if i don't want to i say so... i merely forgot that one.
Are you still living at home, enjoying the comfort of not having to pay for things like bills and food?
no. i am living alone and i am $300 in debt!!!
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i know i am considered a thief according to current software laws. but i can't stop it, its a way of life.. its my way of life, and i can't change it.
no hard feelings,
plz don't reply to this.
How can one hide the shown plain text in Visual Basic 6?
Ask it in the vb6 forum as vb6 is 109238109382190º different that vb.net