Is Intel's Pentium 3 1.2Ghz good? Or Celeron's 1.5Ghz good? Why is Celeron 1.5Ghz less priced than Pentium3 1.2Ghz? Will AMD's AtholonXP 1800 out fast the two? How fast is AtholonXP 1800?
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Is Intel's Pentium 3 1.2Ghz good? Or Celeron's 1.5Ghz good? Why is Celeron 1.5Ghz less priced than Pentium3 1.2Ghz? Will AMD's AtholonXP 1800 out fast the two? How fast is AtholonXP 1800?
Pentium 3 1.2GHz - it's kind of getting outdated, and only uses SDRAM.
Celeron 1.5 - awful, don't go near it
The XP1800 is about as fast as a 2 gig Pentium 4....
BTW, the Celeron 1.5 is cheaper because it sucks so badly. it uses the NetBurst architecture (same architecture used on the P4) which is worse than the architecture the P3 uses. That is why the P4 2.0 or 2.2GHz processors can get stomped by other chips that are lower clocked notably AMDs.
And why the P4 2.8 total cooks Windows or something.....
Agree with Justin, do a wide detour aroung those Celeron things..
Yeah, as if the P4 architecture isn't crippled enough, they dont scale it high and equip it with 128K of cache...
Celeron's are supposed to be cheaper than their proper pentium counterparts because they have less cache on the chip itself.Quote:
Originally posted by Jungle-Man
BTW, the Celeron 1.5 is cheaper because it sucks so badly. it uses the NetBurst architecture (same architecture used on the P4) which is worse than the architecture the P3 uses. That is why the P4 2.0 or 2.2GHz processors can get stomped by other chips that are lower clocked notably AMDs.
Its by design that they're underpowered.
Yes, I know that, I am just making it clear that he should stay away at all expenses ;)Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
Celeron's are supposed to be cheaper than their proper pentium counterparts because they have less cache on the chip itself.
Its by design that they're underpowered.
Well if he's looking for a machine to just run Microsoft Office then a celeron would more than suit
Or an AMD Duron, which are dirt cheap.Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
Well if he's looking for a machine to just run Microsoft Office then a celeron would more than suit
DO I LOOK LIKE A NOOB TO YOu!!!!?
Only when you try to spell.Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
DO I LOOK LIKE A NOOB TO YOu!!!!?
Yes...Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
DO I LOOK LIKE A NOOB TO YOu!!!!?
I would go with an AMD over an intel unless i was able to purchase a Xeon. As far as i know Xeon were originally developed to out perform standard p3's. With up to 2Mb of l2 cache and running at processor speed you cant go wrong. My friend does CAD stuff for a machine shop and works on an SGI machine that has twin Xeon processors. The processing power is a sight to see.
If that's the case then he might as well just flip a coin because it wouldn't really matter what he got.Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
Well if he's looking for a machine to just run Microsoft Office then a celeron would more than suit
The Xeons were released with the original PentiumII processors, at the same time that the Celerson was released.Quote:
Originally posted by Dilenger4
I would go with an AMD over an intel unless i was able to purchase a Xeon. As far as i know Xeon were originally developed to out perform standard p3's. With up to 2Mb of l2 cache and running at processor speed you cant go wrong. My friend does CAD stuff for a machine shop and works on an SGI machine that has twin Xeon processors. The processing power is a sight to see.
It does floating-point* mathematics faster than the PentiumII and its Celeron counterpart.
It also has the option of 512k, 1024k and 2048k l2 cache.
When the PentiumIII was introduced, a P-III Xeon was released also.
Then when the PentiumIV was released, Xeon was released under its own brand name.
So now its just called Xeon.
*re the floating-point mathematics: The Xeon is designed as a server processor, to do the mathematics that servers do, better than other processors.
I suppose its prececessor was probably the PentiumPro.
Anyway, as far as I know, its floating-point math that this CPU does faster, but I may be wrong.
everyone shoudl just wait for Itanium to get whomped (at least in 32 bit) by the Hammers...
-C
Well even if they do, the Itanium has been out for what.. about 2 years now ?
And now there's the Itanium2.
Intel aren't pretending its for 32bit applications.
Its for hardcore 64bit applications, eg. 64bit SQL Server running on 64bit Windows2000 / Windows .NET
No room for 32bit code on those platforms
I'm not sure which Asus Socket A motherboard I need.
I want AtholonXP 1800+
supporting 2100 DDRs
AGP Pro,
which one do you recommend?
That's the dumbest question I ever heardQuote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
Will AMD's AtholonXP 1800 out fast the two
the 1800 has a 1.53Ghz clock which is faster than either the 1.2 or the 1.5. simple maths man! :rolleyes: Plus it's an Athlon...
heh, Celeron 1.7Ghz is not faster than Pentium-III 1.2Ghz:rolleyes:
Aside from the general ignorance of sentence structure, you mean?Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
That's the dumbest question I ever heard
:p
That's different, the Celeron is a pile of crap. The Athlon is not.Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
heh, Celeron 1.7Ghz is not faster than Pentium-III 1.2Ghz:rolleyes:
a) the athlon clock is faster
b) the athlon is more hardcore anyway
Hey 'blade, don't try and out fast me! ;)
yes.Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
DO I LOOK LIKE A NOOB TO YOu!!!!?
Yes, the Celeron not only uses the same awfully inefficient architecture that the P4 uses but it's crippled with 128K of cache where I believe the 1.2GHz P3 has 512K of L2 cache...that's obviously not the only dependent factor since the Athlon XP has 256K of L2 cache and whips both of them...and probably is cheaper.Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
heh, Celeron 1.7Ghz is not faster than Pentium-III 1.2Ghz:rolleyes:
Don't ask a question and then dispute the answers.
what motherboard is good for AtholonXP. that is from Asus?
Why do you insist that it has to be from Asus?
Asus A7V333 is Asus' best Athlon XP board.
However the Epox 8K5A2+ is $20 cheaper and has the features of the A7V333 (minus COP and FireWire...COP is dumb to have anyway, as long as you properly install a heatsink you won't need it. FireWire is good but firewire controllers are cheap cheap cheap) plus integrated network, an onboard RAID controller and an extra PCI slot.
$127 for a standard board with USB2 and FireWire?
Or $105 for an overclocking-oriented board with USB2, NIC, RAID, and 6 PCI?
You do the math. :)
Prices from www.newegg.com
Oh BTW, if you don't need the RAID feature, the Epox 8K5A2 is the same board minus the RAID, for $90.
Heh, thanks. Asus is classy, Epox is for ..., (what should I say to describe this type of user?)
People who demand performance? :rolleyes:
If I had an 8K5A2+ it would whip the Asus A7V333 in any benchmark, and I bet I'd overclock higher too.
Well if you want to be that closed minded and snotty you can take a flying crap at a rolling donut for all I care. When you buy Asus, you are buying the name, take off the name "Asus" and it's just another board in the bunch, immediately ruled out because of high price.
Heh, luckily you didn't guess the word right.
Yes, I love Asus, one because I can get it for free, two, it's the best, isn't it?
You couldn't ask for a better representation...Quote:
Originally posted by Jungle-Man
Well if you want to be that closed minded and snotty you can take a flying crap at a rolling donut for all I care.
http://www.jcamberlyn.com/images/donut.jpg
Tom, you may now add the crap.
:)
Consider yourself the lucky one.Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
Heh, luckily you didn't guess the word right.
Yes, I love Asus, one because I can get it for free, two, it's the best, isn't it?
One: Yeah, I'll take anything for free. Get me a free A7V333 while you're at it. I'll sell it and buy something else with the money :p
Two: The best? Not bad (there are far worse makers out there) but not the best.
Blade: LOL :D :D
but other than their boards, I wouldn't consider to take anything. Their notebooks, gfx cards, and some other craps look like ****.
Hmm, Asus does make nice graphics cards, although rather overpriced (much like their motherboards). Don't be quick to judge something based on looks. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
but other than their boards, I wouldn't consider to take anything. Their notebooks, gfx cards, and some other craps look like ****.
I haven't had the experience of seeing their notebooks or "other craps".
And before you ask, Epox does not make graphics cards :p
Yes, I know, Epox only sells cheap motherboards.
cheap as in low cost, high performance
Exactly. :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by Gimlin
cheap as in low cost, high performance
You think I would recommend, and use for a year, a crappy brand of motherboard? Think again!
How the hell do you find all these images?!!? lol. I love how you always have an image that has something to do with the topic. Makes the boards more 'interesting'.Quote:
Originally posted by crptcblade
You couldn't ask for a better representation...
http://www.vbforums.com/
Tom, you may now add the crap.
:)
:D :)
Google image search, perhaps?
Don't tell me you can type "man running from donut" and it would bring up that image... lol. What keywords did you use to find that picture?Quote:
Originally posted by Jungle-Man
Google image search, perhaps?
no, just donut was requiredQuote:
Originally posted by MidgetsBro
Don't tell me you can type "man running from donut" and it would bring up that image... lol. What keywords did you use to find that picture?
Last row of results on the first page
Wow! Google is so resourceful. I knew the image search was great for useful pictures, but works great for useless ones as well! :D
Heh, that's fanart from the same show my avatar is from...
Yep, Celerons suck, I'm running a cel 1.1, and I think its similar to my old P3 667. It does well on Windows Stuff, but games it can really choke. :(Quote:
Originally posted by jritchie
And why the P4 2.8 total cooks Windows or something.....
Agree with Justin, do a wide detour aroung those Celeron things..
This may have already been said but, just in case.
I think the Cel 1.1 and lower has a cache of 128k, while the cel 1.2 has a cache of 256... but as it has been said, the Pentium 4 is 512 or something now.
Am I write about this??
And can I swap my Cel 1.1 for something else without having to replace the motherboard??? :confused:
Make sure to get one that doesn't beat you :) Asus is China KingQuote:
Originally posted by prog_tom
what motherboard is good for AtholonXP. that is from Asus?
I think 1.0 and below is 128KQuote:
Originally posted by Pc_Madness
This may have already been said but, just in case.
I think the Cel 1.1 and lower has a cache of 128k, while the cel 1.2 has a cache of 256... but as it has been said, the Pentium 4 is 512 or something now.
Am I write about this??
And can I swap my Cel 1.1 for something else without having to replace the motherboard??? :confused:
1.1-1.3 is S370 but a different form of S370 and has 256K of cache
1.4 and above use the P4 architecutre (ewwww) and have 128K of cache.
I might be wrong though...
Anyways, if you want to upgrade your Celly 1.1, go to Newegg, get a Socket A motherboard, some DDR RAM, and an Athlon XP 1600 (on sale for $54); mine is overclocked to 1.75Ghz with basic air cooling and some people are reporting 1.8 or 1.9 with these chips. They are incredible overclockers.
Shouldn't run you too much for the whole package either. :)
/edit: Realized you are in Aussie-land and don't have Newegg. Oh well, same still applies. XP1600 + KT333 board + DDR is a killer combo for cheap.
The cache isn't the only difference a Cel runs at 66Mhz FSB and the others run either 100 or 133Mhz FSB. So the ability yo switch depends on whether your mobo supports higher FSB or not. Also the newer Celerons (with Pentium cores) run at 100 Mhz and have a better cache(not sure on the cache though). Also don't foget there all voltage differences if you switch, although your mobo will probably take care of that for you.Quote:
Originally posted by Pc_Madness
And can I swap my Cel 1.1 for something else without having to replace the motherboard???
The celerons aren't so bad, we use them at work and they are fine for non-Gaming. Although if you can use something with a higher front side bus.
Wonder's why he is subscribed to this thread:confused: