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"I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control."

Have you taken acid, Kedaman?

Are you saying we should all be tripping our nuts off? :confused:

Just ask Peter Green of ex Fleetwood Mac fame what LSD did to him......

no, but you can see the gleam in my eyes ;)

Actually i'm talking about reality here

OK, do we forget the acid bit and read the rest?
Is it like some strange analogy or somethingology?

and.. (good Q. Simon) have you ever taken acid?

Yes, you're all on acid guys.

Life is drug.

/hides Jim Morisson authobiography and William Blake's collected poems


Acid ? As in sulphur and the likes ? You're off your rocker keddie

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Just ask Peter Green of ex Fleetwood Mac fame what LSD did to him......

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And not to mention Syd Barrett (formerlly of Pink Floyd).

Acid is a drug that allows one to alter one's own perception.

There is nothing else like it and you cannot even imagine what it might be like until you have experienced it.

Not that I've ever done it, of course...

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Originally posted by kedaman
Yes, you're all on acid guys.

Life is drug.

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Where are the weird police when you need them?

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Originally posted by simonm

There is nothing else like it

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...except 'shrooms which are exactly like it ;)

Simon
Imagine that you suddenly lost everything you have except your awareness, what would you feel?

I speak from personal experience... STAY VERY FAR AWAY..

Young, stupid and it still haunts me 15 years later.....

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Originally posted by kedaman
"I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control."

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New ways of thinking are NOT necessarily Valid ways of thinking.

Acid trips can be recreational, but should not be taken seriously. After all,
would you take a Roller Coaster seriously as a means of travel?

NotLKH
What is validity? Is life valid?

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Originally posted by kedaman
Simon
Imagine that you suddenly lost everything you have except your awareness, what would you feel?

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I'd still think you're a crazy man

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Originally posted by Flustor

I'd still think you're a crazy man

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what makes you think that I am?

Yeah ! That's right ! Don't insult us raving lunatics :mad:

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Originally posted by kedaman

what makes you think that I am?

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Reading the crazy stuff with you're name next to it

this is just lyrics taken from "Hallucinogen - LSD" very good music :)

I'm not saying that you should all take acid now, I'm asking what we aren't just doing right now?

NotLKH

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New ways of thinking are NOT necessarily Valid ways of thinking.

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True, but the value of experiencing new ways of thinking is that it shows you that there is no such thing as the right way to think. No way is more valid than any other.

Kedaman

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Imagine that you suddenly lost everything you have except your awareness, what would you feel?

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Well, nothing, presumably.

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Originally posted by kedaman
NotLKH
What is validity? Is life valid?

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If one observation or experience leads consistently and unerringly to other observations or experiences, then it is valid.

By this definition,
Life is valid, since Life unerringly leads to both Death and Life.

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Originally posted by simonm
NotLKH

True, but the value of experiencing new ways of thinking is that it shows you that there is no such thing as the right way to think. No way is more valid than any other.

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There IS that value, but experienceing new ways of thinking that
mislead is valueless, and dangerous.

NotLKH

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If one observation or experience leads consistently and unerringly to other observations or experiences, then it is valid.

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How can one, singular activity consistanty lead to other observations?

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There IS that value, but experienceing new ways of thinking that
mislead is valueless, and dangerous.

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Don't confuse different thoughts with different ways of thinking. Thinking about something in a different way neither enlightens or misleads. It's just another perspective of the same thing.

DO NOT EAT ACID. It permenently makes your brain misfire. LSD was developed by the US military as a mind control agent. They figured the play around with the brain's natural firing order and see if they could modify it to suit their needs. ie fearless soldiers, ruthless killers assasins.... They faild and all they acomplished was a new way to fry a persons brain. The effects of LSD are permenant! they never go away and haunt you for the rest of your life. Sure it might be neat to see your face melt while your looking in a mirror, But it is not neat when your 30 years old in a business meeting and a flashback hitts you and the CEO's face melts off. My best friend growing up had a bad trip. He was the coolest guy while we were growing up. Now he is scitsophrenic(Spelling). One second he is his normal cool self and the next a raving mad tripped out lunatic. Stay away from that foul and filth. It's not worth it.

So my question is:
Does acid make you think differently?
Does it open your mind so to speak as it is commonly believed to?

It alters you perception. You hear and see things that are not there. Things that are there look tweaked because your perception is altered. Problem is now you have introduced a new firing sequence to the neurons in your brain and they never forget that sequence. Occasionally they will go back to that altered firing order and tweak you out. You have no control of it. It dosn't expand your mind, It breaks it.

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Originally posted by BG
DO NOT EAT ACID. It permenently makes your brain misfire. LSD was developed by the US military as a mind control agent. They figured the play around with the brain's natural firing order and see if they could modify it to suit their needs. ie fearless soldiers, ruthless killers assasins.... They faild and all they acomplished was a new way to fry a persons brain. The effects of LSD are permenant! they never go away and haunt you for the rest of your life. Sure it might be neat to see your face melt while your looking in a mirror, But it is not neat when your 30 years old in a business meeting and a flashback hitts you and the CEO's face melts off. My best friend growing up had a bad trip. He was the coolest guy while we were growing up. Now he is scitsophrenic(Spelling). One second he is his normal cool self and the next a raving mad tripped out lunatic. Stay away from that foul and filth. It's not worth it.

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i know how that feels, flashbacks suck donkey's ass

I have that sometimes but that's just lunacy :(

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Originally posted by BG
DO NOT EAT ACID. It permenently makes your brain misfire. LSD was developed by the US military as a mind control agent. They figured the play around with the brain's natural firing order and see if they could modify it to suit their needs. ie fearless soldiers, ruthless killers assasins....

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so nothing out of the ordinary

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They faild

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surprise surprise

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Originally posted by Wally Pipp
I have that sometimes but that's just lunacy :(

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It is very similar to lunacy, In most cases of personality disorders a traumatic event caused it. In my friends case, a extremly intense bad trip caused his.

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Originally posted by BG
It alters you perception. You hear and see things that are not there. Things that are there look tweaked because your perception is altered. Problem is now you have introduced a new firing sequence to the neurons in your brain and they never forget that sequence. Occasionally they will go back to that altered firing order and tweak you out. You have no control of it. It dosn't expand your mind, It breaks it.

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Do you think that it affects people differently depending on their mental stability to begin with?


BTW - not getting at anyone, not saying anyones right or wrong - just out of interest. :)

You shouldn't Fuck around with you nugget like that. If you knew absolutley nothing about car motors would you try to replace a piston in your brand new BMW M3 just because it sounds like fun.

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Originally posted by simonm
NotLKH

How can one, singular activity consistanty lead to other observations?

Don't confuse different thoughts with different ways of thinking. Thinking about something in a different way neither enlightens or misleads. It's just another perspective of the same thing.

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There is a difference in experiencing new ways of thinking, vrs thinking about something in different ways.

I am not commenting about thinking about something in different ways. This is indeed valuable, the sign of a True MacGuyver.

Experiencing new ways of thinking, to me, means your mind has
had its thinking process altered, either due to some sort of
mental discipline, chemical ingestion, or physical trauma. Two of
those Three ways are NOT suggested methods of self-
improvement, and most often lead to mentall defiencies, either
temporary, or permanent. Very rarely does one
become "enlightened" in any way from those two, so I would call
them extremely innefficient routes to take.

However, I'm not against "Temperaraly" Altering your thinking process for amusement. I just know that such vacations should not be taken seriously.

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Originally posted by SjR


Do you think that it affects people differently depending on their mental stability to begin with?


BTW - not getting at anyone, not saying anyones right or wrong - just out of interest. :)

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I dont know Im not a shrink. How can you determine mental stability when you are not in complete control of processing your bodys sensory perception.

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Originally posted by NotLKH

However, I'm not against "Temperaraly" Altering your thinking process for amusement. I just know that such vacations should not be taken seriously.

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You cannot guarentee that it will be a temporary vacation with LSD, It is too unpredictable. All it takes is one bad trip and you brain can become locked into that altered state.

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Originally posted by BG


I dont know Im not a shrink. How can you determine mental stability when you are not in complete control of processing your bodys sensory perception.

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I was just asking for your opinion on the matter - it doesn't have to be right :)

Oh yeah, and one more question:
BG: You have mentioned your friend, but have you ever tried it?

Ok, then yes I think it is one of the factors involved. How important a factor I dont know.

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