As for me, I won't go for the craze.
I'll stick to Win98SE and Visual Studio 6.
How about you guyz?
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As for me, I won't go for the craze.
I'll stick to Win98SE and Visual Studio 6.
How about you guyz?
I have XP and VB6. I don't know how to use half of VB6 so there is no reason to get a whole new language I don't understand.
I love XP except that it is so slooooooooooooooow. Win 98 is on my desktop system that is still in transit from germany (just got out of the army). When that gets here I'll put my laptop on a shelf and use it for the most part.
Bah...
Win EXtended MonoPolization
Tea,coffee, or .NET?(Donut;))
I am running:
WinXP - Pro
OfficeXP - Pro
VB .NET - Enterprise Architect Ed
I have WinNT4.0 and VB6 I also have VB.Net standard edition, but I don't use it at the moment. I don't see a reason to go go through hell just for taking my existing apps to new different environment.
And what su*cks the most is that standard edition of VB.Net doesn't include update wizard :-(
Program on Windows NT with Studio 6.0.
Test on 98SE,me,nt,2000,XP.
I'm all set to start in on .net, but unfortuatly, the powers that be
are hesitant to take time out of developing to make the switch.
.Net couldn't have come at a wose time.
Probably will be 2+ years before I get a chance at this place to work with it.
Yeah, that's right, I got the man, holding me back.
Course, .net bugs will be just about fixed up by then.
-and that's all I have to say about that.
Work: Win98 VB6 Enterprise
Home: WinXP VB6 Professional
Apparently a lot of people hate WinXP and .NET...
Same as u,
win 98
VB6 Enterprise.
I also agree, .NET came at a bad time. I TOO will not be able to use it for quite some time, as I'm totally tied up in this project. It's kinda scary, thinking that I'll be left behind, as the rest of the world moves on to .NET. I haven't even had time to go over *** .NET is!!!
scary scary scary.
VB6 enterprise
XP
It was better (faster) on W2000.
Don't think we'll get behind.
Most of us who are working on projects in VB6 must proceed to it for the project.
Many projects just grow, so why bother.
Take it a day at a time.
Proceed to Windows monopolisation?:eek:
i guess everyone will have to move over to .NET eventually. :(
what's the expected lifespan of VB 6 now???
VB6.0 due to be phased out from 2005 and not supported after 2008!............. No plans to support VB6.0 runtime with 64bit architecture.
now that really sucks. :mad:
there are loads of people who love VB6, me included.
I use Windows 2000 as the main development platform (this being stable, quick and robust), though test on Win95 through to XP. I never test under ME, as I only write business applications and ME is never used by serious businesses (no tasking support, no PWS or IIS, drivers not available for some devices etc).
I use C++, VB6.0 and Interdev for existing legacy applications and use .NET (C#, VB & ASP) for new development.
Although the learning curve for .NET is steep at first, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages as far as coding simplicity, error handling and rapid development.
I still see a future for VB6.0 for those who don't want to stay in touch, but would advise all to consider moving to .NET within a year or two if they are not to be left behind!
i'm gonna move to .NET just coz its the new thing :)
its the way the computer industry works i spose, keep up with the new stuff or bye bye
Got .Net and am currently upgrading the MCLHotkey and ImageMapVB controls to it.
Not got XP because I can't afford yet another machine and need a clean 98, Nt4 and Win2k machines for work :(
The only advantage to WindowsXP is the boot up speed. Apart from that, I still hate it - 2000 is still the best platform for working on.
Windows .Net is gonna be great, it's got the nice / useful add on's of XP but feels more like 2000 and it's done away with all the crap XP put on, unfortunatley, I've only been working with beta1 & this doesn't let you install vs.net properly on it, but by the time this one hits the shelves it'll be awesome !
.NET I use when I can - on small apps to get me use to it, it's gonna be big, but for a quick turn-around app I use vb6 and will do for another year as I'm more used to it.
Well, darre1, u're right, apparently.
I still remember someone said he'll stick to MS-DOS, yet later,
he still have to move on to Windows 3.11.
It's just for everyone's convenience. However, I am just not very
happy about only Microsoft handling all these stuffs, it is
monopolisation.
Windows .Net!!! :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by alex_read
The only advantage to WindowsXP is the boot up speed. Apart from that, I still hate it - 2000 is still the best platform for working on.
Windows .Net is gonna be great, it's got the nice / useful add on's of XP but feels more like 2000 and it's done away with all the crap XP put on, unfortunatley, I've only been working with beta1 & this doesn't let you install vs.net properly on it, but by the time this one hits the shelves it'll be awesome !
.NET I use when I can - on small apps to get me use to it, it's gonna be big, but for a quick turn-around app I use vb6 and will do for another year as I'm more used to it.
i take it thats another new OS coming out?
i also take it that i've missed a bit of news :D
It's only on Beta1 at the moment - it's 2000 with 1/2 of XP's graphics and speed. Very :cool: & has the .net framework built into it.
I've installed the wijndows.net web server version to test it, & found that the frontpage extensions it comes with are version 2002. If you try to install vs.net, it looks for frontpage extensions 2000 & won't install the components for web development (kinda useless as this was what I wanted it for).
Funny no-one's mentioned linux here ... :D
I have both XP & VB6 & .NET, but I'm still learning .net.
Takes long before I make first commercial program with .net
I still make all EXEs and packages under Win 2000.
so the recommendation i sto go to VB.NET asap?
alsom how much is VB studio .NET?
I moved to .NET 'cause it's the new thing. I heard good and bad things. But, most of the bad that I heard, was from people who never took the time to play with .NET.
.NET is awesome!! VB.NET is the most powerfull version of VB yet!!
I just love it, and I don't know how I got along with out it.
I use
XP Pro
VS 6
VS.NET
Office XP Pro
Yea...1 and 1/2 years after this thread was posted, most who
at first said would stick to win98 and VB6, now already migrated
to winXP and VB.net, including me, but I still stick to VB6.;)
after this security computing initiative by Windows, things didn't
turn out better or did I ever notice any improvement...
And one more question,
anyone succeeded screwing up WinXP?
I've done once, but it returned back to normal after a minute
halting.:rolleyes:
I use WinXP, VB.NET
I don't see any reasons to still use Win98 and VB6, when WinXp provides somany more options and possiblities, and VB.NET is more powerfull then VB6.
I'm actually using VB6 Enterprise/WIN2K and VS.NET Enterprise Architect/WIN2K ;)
Work: 2K and VS 6
Home: 2K and .Net
Don't know why I'm not terribly interested in XP.
There is no shame in starting your own thread. :rolleyes:
W2K Pro is best development environment from my experience.Quote:
Originally posted by Briantcva
Work: 2K and VS 6
Home: 2K and .Net
Don't know why I'm not terribly interested in XP.
And do we've to go for WinXP? I did:rolleyes:
In my country, the government is pushing hard on OSS.
(Open Source Software)
They plan to use Linux.:cool:
That's very hard to live with.Quote:
Originally posted by jian2587
And do we've to go for WinXP? I did:rolleyes:
In my country, the government is pushing hard on OSS.
(Open Source Software)
They plan to use Linux.:cool:
Uhh...sumtimes I've this selfish thinking...well, Linux is just aQuote:
Originally posted by wrack
That's very hard to live with.
creation of a graduatee, why the heck or trouble to use it?
Furthermore it has some codes from Unix kernel.
Must it be Linux? Why not others?
Why must all the coperates and governments go for it?
Bah.....:(
OK this might explain it.
A man needs a brain transplant (year 2020). He goes to a doctor and doctor gives him 3 brains to choose from. First one costs $5,000, Second one $10,000 and Third one is $500,000.
Man is surprised to see the prices and asks what's so special about the Third one and the doctor says it's a politician's brain (never been used b4).
;)
Windows XP Pro and Visual Basic 6 Enterprise is what I use. I dont do alot of programming and VB6 is more then enough for what I want to do.
Your governemnt should be pushing open standards, not open source.Quote:
Originally posted by jian2587
And do we've to go for WinXP? I did:rolleyes:
In my country, the government is pushing hard on OSS.
(Open Source Software)
They plan to use Linux.:cool:
Unfortunatly governements are getting lobbyed by these Open Source biggots who in an attempt to destroy Microsoft, have forgotten the other companies make proprietary software.
Forcing someone to release the source to be competitive is wrong. Mandating use of software the conforms to open standards is the correct approach. That still leaves companies to comepete in the market with their proprietary apps with proprietary file formats and standards while at the same time providing the open file formats and standards required by the government.
you guys gotta get over it... programs dont last forever..
.NET offers so many advantages over programming in VB6... and just because it is called .NET doesn't mean it is not VB7 in fact that IS its version number...
and it is really not all that different from vb6.. just better.. i can't really see anything that makes it worse... so what you have to learn some new skills... they will only make you a better programmer...
just think.. within 2 years.. you will be able to distribute VB compiled EXEs with no runtimes included because everyone will be running .NET framework
I use XP Pro with VS6 Enterprise and VS.Net Enterprise. Guess what, I NEVER use VS6 anymore. It slows you down....trust me. Once you get used to .net, you won't want to go back to VB6. I get much more done now that I have a good grasp of the framework.
2 words.. CODE REGIONS!!!! they are the best thing EVER!Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
I use XP Pro with VS6 Enterprise and VS.Net Enterprise. Guess what, I NEVER use VS6 anymore. It slows you down....trust me. Once you get used to .net, you won't want to go back to VB6. I get much more done now that I have a good grasp of the framework.
I'm running:
Win2K
VS 6
VS.NET
C# rox. I just haven't gotten used to the VS.NET IDE yet, so I write all my C# code in Dreamweaver MX and compile on the command line. Of course, I'm still writing console apps to get used to the language.
And the framework itself. No more (sometimes) wacky and complicated API calls.
Not to mention actual choice when it comes to IDE's
DreamWeaver
Antichinus C#
Sharp Develop
Visual Studio
Notepad
C# Builder
Web Matrix
Why C#? I have yet to see a convincing argument about why to go w/ C# over VB.Net. I know there are differences/advantages but they seemed to be so minor that learning a new language doesn't seem worthwhile.Quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch1207
C# rox. I just haven't gotten used to the VS.NET IDE yet, so I write all my C# code in Dreamweaver MX and compile on the command line. Of course, I'm still writing console apps to get used to the language.
Except to say that you know C#/self satisfaction/the challenge - *none* of which I'm arguing with. Seriously, good for you. But as a VB guy, what does C# offer? I'd be interested in your perspective rather then one from the many that views VB as a toy language - .Net or not.
Just personal preference really. I have nothing against VB at all...as a matter of fact I have written a couple of dll's in C# that are used in a vb.net app.
However, the latest salary surveys showed that C# programmers made on average $26,000 a year more than other programmers.
My understanding is the only difference between C# and VB.NET is the syntax and the way the programmer writes the code. Since both languages run off of the CLR...so essentially there isn't any difference between the two, other than syntax preference and programmer coding.
I really only have one complaint with .NET and its the same complaint that I had/have with Java -- the CR. When booting any .NET application, the CR holds 49+ MB of virtual memory in reserve. Add that to the post-compile times as the program loads each module, and a program that use to scream when writen in straight C/C++ really looks doggy in .NET. With that said, everyone here is right -- code maintenance and creation is a lot easier with .NET. I just personally think that as of right now, the trade-off was too high.
No arguing w/ that. A reason in itself.Quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch1207
However, the latest salary surveys showed that C# programmers made on average $26,000 a year more than other programmers.
This is what makes me laugh. If they only knew... But I suppose there's no way around it. People are going to think what they think and no amount of education is going to change their minds. :)Quote:
My understanding is the only difference between C# and VB.NET is the syntax and the way the programmer writes the code. Since both languages run off of the CLR...so essentially there isn't any difference between the two, other than syntax preference and programmer coding.
Well I think C# has couple little power features like pointers. Plus C# is more widely accepted since it has been submitted as a standard and all the frameworks ports being worked on focus on C#, although Mono is working on a Basic compiler.
well if you compare C# and VB.NET to C++ and VB6 then you could say the gap is getting MUCH MUCH smaller as far as differences and limitations goQuote:
Originally posted by Briantcva
This is what makes me laugh. If they only knew... But I suppose there's no way around it. People are going to think what they think and no amount of education is going to change their minds. :)
Exactly. HR folks throwing perfectly good VB developer resumes out the window b/c they've been told it's C# or nothing.Quote:
Originally posted by kleinma
well if you compare C# and VB.NET to C++ and VB6 then you could say the gap is getting MUCH MUCH smaller as far as differences and limitations go
I'm still using VB6 but am unsure on wether to upgrade to .NET, I have two problems tho, one can't afford it :(.
Two, I'm about to start a course at university and have a strong suspicion that it will be using C++ so I don't no if theres any point. Note: I also love to us VB6 because its so easy to use and the debug tools are very useful.
I have XP home but only because it came with my PC, I've never bought a OS seprate from a PC.
Sure. You can do .NET for absolutly 100% free.
Get the .NET framework SDK from Microsoft for free
Then you can get a top notch free editor here
www.icsharpcode.net
I think Borland also has a free version of C# Builder for download.
That site is for C# if i'm not mistaken :confused:. Is there one for VB.NET??
I spoke too soon, I just saw this:Quote:
As DevGrp said, you can program in .net for free.Quote:
Originally posted by Electroman
I'm still using VB6 but am unsure on wether to upgrade to .NET, I have two problems tho, one can't afford it :(.
Two, I'm about to start a course at university and have a strong suspicion that it will be using C++ so I don't no if theres any point. Note: I also love to us VB6 because its so easy to use and the debug tools are very useful.
I have XP home but only because it came with my PC, I've never bought a OS seprate from a PC.
Here is what I posted before in another thread:
Quote:
Not true, you can develop .Net apps completely free!
Everyone uses that excuse. First, you can use notepad and compile from the command line, but you don't have to...lol. You can use http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx to develop C# applications as long as you have the .Net SDK installed (Which is free too). Next up is Borlands offering: http://www.borland.com/products/down...rpbuilder.html
Now, no more excuses about the money involved, there is none....lol.
What's left...documentation? All you need is at:
http://www.vijaymukhi.com/documents...net/content.htm
www.msdn.microsoft.com/library
www.c-sharpcorner.com
www.csharphelp.com
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/15050
http://www.csharp-station.com/
http://www.codeguru.com/csharp/index.shtml
http://www.syncfusion.com/FAQ/WinForms/default.asp
and more if you need them....just email me...
Hmmm, now whats left....Linux support...You want a lot don't you?
http://www.go-mono.com/
Besides the little differences, there is ONE HUGE advantage to knowing C#. That benefit is knowing the syntax that Java and C++ uses. Talk about it all you want, when it comes down to it, and I was a hiring manager, I would pick a C# guy over a VB.Net guy because I could get the C# guy up to speed in Java or C++ quicker than I would a VB.Net guy if I need to.Quote:
Originally posted by Briantcva
Why C#? I have yet to see a convincing argument about why to go w/ C# over VB.Net. I know there are differences/advantages but they seemed to be so minor that learning a new language doesn't seem worthwhile.
Except to say that you know C#/self satisfaction/the challenge - *none* of which I'm arguing with. Seriously, good for you. But as a VB guy, what does C# offer? I'd be interested in your perspective rather then one from the many that views VB as a toy language - .Net or not.
Love those ones...:)Quote:
Originally posted by kleinma
CODE REGIONS!!!! they are the best thing EVER!
Excellent answer.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
I would pick a C# guy over a VB.Net guy because I could get the C# guy up to speed in Java or C++ quicker than I would a VB.Net guy if I need to.
Peering through amazon to find something to make sense of it all...
I used to be a pro VB6 guy. Now, I'm a .NET guy.
I am being forced to learn C#. Since 50% of the code example on the net are written in C#, and the other 50% are written in VB.NET.
Pretty much the only differences in the languages is the Basic Syntax. That's why .NET is so great. If you know one .NET language, you basically just have to learn the syntax of the other in order to use it. All of the .NET stuff is still the same. I confess, I have done some playing around with learning both C++ and Java in the past, but that doesn't matter.
If someone knows C#, Yes, it is easier to teach them C++ or Java because they already know the basic code syntax. But, you would still have to teach them alot in order for them to be able to develop applications.
I was a VB6 guy, I wasn't that familiar with C++ or Java. I played with them a little bit, but I loved the simplicity of VB. I also accepted the limitations of VB6. I haven't even touched VB6 sinced I made the switch to .NET. With .NET, VB is now just as powerfull as C++. With .NET, there is no more 'This language is more powerfull', or 'This language does that better.' Every .NET language is the same. You can even write applications that have objects written in C#.NET, VB.NET, J#.NET and Cobol.NET.
And for those of you who are complaining that you don't want to learn C#, because there's no big advantage. You know what, the biggest advantage is becoming a bigger asset to your company. This new knowledge might even get you a raise.
Knowing C#, gives you the basis for moving to C++ or Java.
I am running VB 6.0 and VB 5.0 on xp.