An interesting exercise to determine what you think makes good art can be found here:
Shakespear vs Britney Spears
Personnally, I think that "Enjoyment" and "Feeling" are the two most important factors involved.
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An interesting exercise to determine what you think makes good art can be found here:
Shakespear vs Britney Spears
Personnally, I think that "Enjoyment" and "Feeling" are the two most important factors involved.
Hmmm...Guess Art doesn't make good Friday afternoon conversation. :(
how do you define art?
Art is mostly relative.
Ah! At last...some responses!
Well, have you done that exercise? As I indicated, I believe good art has the factors that I indicated earlier, namely "Enjoyment" and "Feeling".Quote:
how do you define art?
As for what art actually is, I would probably define it as "Absolute Expression".
Bonker
But not completely relative?Quote:
Art is mostly relative.
Art is my neighbour :cool:
Simon
no, I didn't do it because I couldn't choose between michelangelo or any other of those at the second page. I guess I might give it another try soon.
does art imply artificial?
I would say yes...in that it should be intended. i.e. a mountain landscape might be beutiful but it's not art because it wasn't created (unless you believe in creation).Quote:
does art imply artificial?
whats the difference between creation and transformation? Who can be said to have the authority to intend and why?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
I would say yes...in that it should be intended. i.e. a mountain landscape might be beutiful but it's not art because it wasn't created (unless you believe in creation).
Well, with regards to art, I would say that transformation comes under the same unbrella as creation as you're creating something new from something old.Quote:
whats the difference between creation and transformation?
Don't think I can answer that question.Quote:
Who can be said to have the authority to intend and why?
Which attributes of art did you rate most highly?
I rated enjoyable and harmonious and/or beautiful.
How can you create something new, isn't that something that you just do with information?
I agree, enjoyment and feeling are important :)
Pix
We are still talking about art here, aren't we?Quote:
I agree, enjoyment and feeling are important
Kedaman
Well, that's exactly what you're doing, creating information. You are transforming something in such a way that it is an expression of information.Quote:
How can you create something new, isn't that something that you just do with information?
ah but you don't care if the picture doesn't make sense or is beautiful?Quote:
Originally posted by Pix
I agree, enjoyment and feeling are important :)
I'd have to say that good art depends on the quality of the black
velvet. You can tell a poor quality art piece....they just don't want
to spend the money on quality velvet.
humm, I think transformation is a term for the physical world while creation is for information world, and they can't be mixed in any ways.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Well, that's exactly what you're doing, creating information. You are transforming something in such a way that it is an expression of information.
Kedaman
Well, Pix didn't say that she didn't care if it wasn't beautiful. She jus said that she rated the "enjoyment" and "feeling" most highly.Quote:
ah but you don't care if the picture doesn't make sense or is beautiful?
Besides, I like some very heavy "Velvet Underground" music that I would never call "Beautiful" (Don't ask me to define it ;) ) but it is definitely expressive of their feeling and enjoyable.
Who's mixing? I said a physical transformation invoking a creationg of information.Quote:
humm, I think transformation is a term for the physical world while creation is for information world, and they can't be mixed in any ways.
Art does not have to be beautiful for it to be enjoyable. I admit that most artwork I like is because it makes me happy, but I also like other work which may not necessarily be beautiful, but it conveys a lot of feeling. A picture does not necessarily have to make sense either; one of the great things about art is that it is open to many different interpretations :)
I have to agree, but maybe I just misinterpreted the whole thing, sometimes even not enjoyable artwork is good :)Quote:
Originally posted by Pix
Art does not have to be beautiful for it to be enjoyable. I admit that most artwork I like is because it makes me happy, but I also like other work which may not necessarily be beautiful, but it conveys a lot of feeling. A picture does not necessarily have to make sense either; one of the great things about art is that it is open to many different interpretations :)
That's why I was asking :rolleyes::pQuote:
Well, Pix didn't say that she didn't care if it wasn't beautiful. She jus said that she rated the "enjoyment" and "feeling" most highly.
what do you mean by this?Quote:
Who's mixing? I said a physical transformation invoking a creationg of information.
LOLQuote:
Originally posted by DerFarm
I'd have to say that good art depends on the quality of the black
velvet. You can tell a poor quality art piece....they just don't want
to spend the money on quality velvet.
Kedaman
I don't think you can completely seperate the physical and psycological worlds.
Every time I communicate I am conveying information. Something physical invoking something psycological. Art is just a form of mass comunication.
I think art is anything that invokes an emotional response when seen or listened to.
I could invoke an emotional response by an appropriately inserted electronic probe in your brain. Would that be art? :)Quote:
I think art is anything that invokes an emotional response when seen or listened to.
*bump*
Art is my neighbour I tell you ! :mad:
(never one to let a good pun go :p)
Is that a response to what I had seen or heard or a physical response to the probe rather than an actual emotional response? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
I could invoke an emotional response by an appropriately inserted electronic probe in your brain. Would that be art? :)
I reckon the missing link here is perception: the probe (as I imagine you are describing) would be skipping the perceptive stage and going straight to cognition.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
I could invoke an emotional response by an appropriately inserted electronic probe in your brain. Would that be art? :)
Some of the best art I have encountered is very depressing. It's beautiful in an ugly kind of way, or something like that.
Just for the record I have no intention of defining anything I just said, before anyone asks any silly questions :rolleyes:
I'm becoming More and More Convinced of it!Quote:
Originally posted by NotLKH
If my Hypothesis is correct, kedaman is an AI Speech Generator 3/4 of the time, and its human owner the other 1/4 of the time.
His style seems to be:
1) Raise a Random, Penetrating question into Human Nature, which he seems to be having a conflict over.
2) When replied to, Break them down, analyze, and respond with questions about the parts of each response, diligently quoting each response it is questioning, as a rule.
3) Loop back to 2.
Really, if he isn't an AI, he should be.
:D
:D
I'd be pretty pssed off if someone probed my brain.Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
Is that a response to what I had seen or heard or a physical response to the probe rather than an actual emotional response? :confused:
But it would be an emotion response due to the probing, not due to the art!Quote:
Originally posted by BG
I'd be pretty pssed off if someone probed my brain.
"This is not a pipe" - Margritte.
useless note:
I was dragged to an art show once. There was a piece called star wars princess. It was a water mellon with two empty soup cans shoved in on opposite sides and a smiley face painted in between them. :rolleyes: :D
how do you intend to find out if your brain is probed or not?
How do you intend anything?Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
how do you intend to find out if your brain is probed or not?
Really, I don't know,
How do you Intend ?
Try indent ;)
yep, Wally got it right ;)Quote:
Originally posted by NotLKH
How do you intend anything?
Really, I don't know,
How do you Intend ?
If I start making sculptures out of soup cans and watermellons I think it is safe to say someone has been probing my brain and forgot to put everything back in the same place that they found it.Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
how do you intend to find out if your brain is probed or not?
Sounds like you'd have to have more than your brain probed! :eek:
Good art should be indistinguishable from an under repair, scratched and cracked wall mounting with the picture removed.
I don't understand what you mean. I asked how do you Intend.Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
yep, Wally got it right ;)
Wally said you indent.
That makes no sense.
Kedaman, Please explain.
Anyone else want to go with the probe up kedaman's date option.
LMAO @ Derfarm & Wally
Broad definition of art
Art is anything that you get more out of than you put into in an emotional sense. Therefore Derfarm's example would be defined as art cause you would tend to LOL at it....
Hey downunder we have to take a pretty wide definition;)
Best art I've ever seen was the footage of those old people attacking the naked queen on a bench and the artist.