4 December here in the Netherland Bill Gates is coming and will speak to us about something.
But i realy want to throw something at him :D when he is talking.
So what shall i throw?
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4 December here in the Netherland Bill Gates is coming and will speak to us about something.
But i realy want to throw something at him :D when he is talking.
So what shall i throw?
window 3.11 disks. as there were about 7-8 of them, you'll have a higher percentage of hittting him.
A balloon with water is very heavy to throw far. but i like the idea.. heheh! :D
A grenade? :rolleyes:
How about some apostrophes? Looks like you've got a few going spare. :p
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Nick Faldo
Money. Thats what I've been throwing at him for years...
SD
Funny that, I haven't :rolleyes: ;) :pQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Money. Thats what I've been throwing at him for years...
SD
How about a custard pie?
http://www.parksie.uklinux.net/pie.mpg
I wonder what happened to that guy. Bill probably had him thrown into the bottomless pit at MS HQ :DQuote:
Throw a bunch of papers at him saying "These are My Documents"
I would throw a bag and ask him to put some money in and throw it back. Just to see if he would.
A stuffed penguin.
Alternatively, pull a moonie and shout "this is My Arse!"
I vote you give him a wedgie, and ask him if ir reminds him of highschool.
Whomever the one that..
1. Doesn't want to be a millionaire
2. Won't act in the same way given a profiting business to manage.
Can throw the first pie at him.
Every business aims in becoming a monopoly...only a few succeed.
The rest of them indulge in unfair propaganda.
The very purpose of a business is to make money or otherwise they would call it community service. So before monkeying around with a pie, think ! put yourself in the same position as Bill Gates. At least Bill donates to charity.
If you are still adamant at taking a shot at him...do me a favour - throw a pie on these guys face..
http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/ce...mg-mcnealy.jpg http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pres...s/lellison.jpg
[ The Plot to Get Bill Gates ]
Is that Larry Ellison?
Left: Scott McNealy CEO Sun Microsystems.
Right: Larry Ellison CEO Oracle.
I just re-read the title.
What shall i throw to Bill Gates..
I'd throw him a Windows XP CD and hope he throws one back with a real OS on it ;)
Throw a large wet mackeral at him shouting "My Fish"
Throw a doctored-up DNA test to him and shout "My dad!!"
:)
Oooo... it's Play-Nice-With-Others Man. Little Mr. I-Wanna-Suck-Bill's.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
ranting deleted
Look, we don't hate him because he has a profitable business. He hate him because his business it based on selling you the worst junk for the most money. It is run with the same mindset as a drug lord. It is a company built on stealing technologies that it wants, hiding technologies that threaten it, and destroying companies that could lead the populous to think.
I say throw something that will really get him upset. Throw him source code. Either OpenSource source code, or source code to anything that performs better than it's MS counterpart.
McNealy? Sorry, Sun innovates. It may be expensive, but it works, and works hard. And Sun invented Java. Sun is pushing the "write once, run anywhere" mindset. And even if Java may not be mature enough, yet, that mindset threatens MS. MS knows this, and has tried time and again to undermind it. That is why MS was kicked off the Java project.Quote:
throw a pie on these guys face..
As to Ellison. *shrug* Feel free. I could find better targets, though. Like maybe that Aussie who heads Ford.
Or the tyrannical president of a pie company. Just to throw a little poetic justice into the mix.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
I could find better targets, though. Like maybe that Aussie who heads Ford.
:D
Of the pie company? Who? Betty Crocker? :P
I agree...Sun actually makes good stuff :) Why else would I choose Solaris over linux :pQuote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
McNealy? Sorry, Sun innovates. It may be expensive, but it works, and works hard. And Sun invented Java. Sun is pushing the "write once, run anywhere" mindset. And even if Java may not be mature enough, yet, that mindset threatens MS. MS knows this, and has tried time and again to undermind it. That is why MS was kicked off the Java project.
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Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Of the pie company? Who? Betty Crocker? :p
Yeah,yeah...just yell out "You call this flakey crust?!?!?", and wham, right in the face with one of them lemon-type pies.
http://www.vbforums.com/
Uhm... because you have gobs of money?Quote:
Originally posted by parksie
I agree...Sun actually makes good stuff :) Why else would I choose Solaris over linux :p
Check out Sun's website...look at the "free Solaris" programme ;)Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Uhm... because you have gobs of money?
Not to get back on topic or anything, but you could go Seven on him and throw his wife's severed head in a box...Quote:
Originally posted by kayoca
But i realy want to throw something at him :D when he is talking.
So what shall i throw?
(note to Billl's attorneys : No real threats were intended or implied by the above statement)
;)
That makes his sin greed :)Quote:
Originally posted by crptcblade
Not to get back on topic or anything, but you could go Seven on him and throw his wife's severed head in a box...
(note to Billl's attorneys : No real threats were intended or implied by the above statement)
;)
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by Ciberthug
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Originally posted by thinktank2
ranting deleted
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Well it's strange that you can delete my *rant* {Which seems to be nonsensical to you} but you can't stop buying MS products {Which again is nonsense to you}.
Instead of throwing something on a person to express your displeasure about his company, stop buying his products. That's the only decent way I can think of as your best answer.
You can't type "I Hate MICROSOFT" in Microsoft Word and feel satisfied about that.
If you think microsoft is a thief ...good..
But you need more pies 'cos there are hundreds of such thieves to throw at. Do it if you have no other job..or if you are interested in cheap publicity throw them at Bill Gates.
*looks around* Yeah, I haven't bought any MS products. :)
Look, MS underminds portablity. They can't release a product that is compliant to any given standard without releasing proprietary extensions. They have aggressively tried to destroy free competition. They have paid OEM vendors to uninstall free, but competitive software.
I've never been one to say MS is a monopoly, there is competition. But MS has been guilty of gross anti-competitive practices. MS has not contributed anything to computing. They have not innovated any technology, and their mindset of selling software like it is narcotics has done nothing but to string out the AOLized population and set back modern computing by 7 to 15 years.
Simply put, if there were never a Bill Gates, the world would've been a better place.
Nah, I mean, who would there be for all the crackpots to diss and curse till the cows come home.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Simply put, if there were never a Bill Gates, the world would've been a better place.
There's always Walter Kronkite ;)Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Nah, I mean, who would there be for all the crackpots to diss and curse till the cows come home.
Well... you are always to express your resentment about some product by means that is not targeted at a particular person. Remember Bill doesn't go around making software for his company. He is the kind of guy my company will like to have as an executive. People confuse between the business style and the product quality. If you are not satisfied with business style that doesn't have to stop you from liking their product. If it's there product that's not satisfactory...stop buying it.
Everybody's perspective is different. I think windows 98 is pretty good and worth what I payed for. I use REDHAT Linux 7.1 and Mandrake Linux 8.1 { on two different machines}. I think except
for the consoles the GUI desktops KDE and GNOME are really crappy. They often crash. What do I do ? Find the CEO's of REDHAT and MANDRAKE and throw eggs at them ??? But I can ask for a refund.
MS {may be } didn't do anything for computing..But with their *crappy* software they built a strong following for the PC {Which is why linux is now for the PC }
I can also say...simply put there would be a better medium if there wasn't an Internet.Quote:
Simply put, if there were never a Bill Gates, the world would've been a better place.
{My spec:
Machine1 : Intel 800Mhz, 640 MB RAM, WINDOWS 98, 640MB FIXED SWAP, Date Last Crashed: 7-8 Months ago.
Same machine another partition
Mandrake Linux 8.1 , 2GB swap partition, Crash frequency: 2/day
}
Microsoft can't overcome ADOBE with a Microsoft phostoshop...because it a superb application that has no peers.
They did business on the same earth as microsoft is and are still dominant in desktop publishing Industry.
{Bottom line : IF you have a quality product you will win no mater whoever is the monopoly.}
Corel Wordperfect. Better than Word in my opinion, and has been for a very long time. It hasn't won.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
{Bottom line : IF you have a quality product you will win no mater whoever is the monopoly.}
What the hell are you doing to Linux to make it crash twice a day? :confused: I've had KDE crash a few times, but it's never been much of a problem since I can use another computer on the network to SSH in and kill whatever process is locked up.
What did you mean by "I can also say...simply put there would be a better medium if there wasn't an Internet" ?
Uhh... Linux would be for whatever platforms were popular. There are Linux binaries available for all sorts of platforms, and you can always get the source and compile it yourself which means you can build your own binaries on any platform with an ANSI C compiler. I don't follow your logic.Quote:
with their *crappy* software they built a strong following for the PC {Which is why linux is now for the PC }
I read that three times and I can't make any sense of it.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
Well... you are always to express your resentment about some product by means that is not targeted at a particular person. Remember Bill doesn't go around making software for his company. He is the kind of guy my company will like to have as an executive. People confuse between the business style and the product quality. If you are not satisfied with business style that doesn't have to stop you from liking their product. If it's there product that's not satisfactory...stop buying it.
But ofcourse, it is free, so you won't get a refund.Quote:
Everybody's perspective is different. I think windows 98 is pretty good and worth what I payed for. I use REDHAT Linux 7.1 and Mandrake Linux 8.1 { on two different machines}. I think except
for the consoles the GUI desktops KDE and GNOME are really crappy. They often crash. What do I do ? Find the CEO's of REDHAT and MANDRAKE and throw eggs at them ??? But I can ask for a refund.
They built a strong following. So did AOL and Ford. And I'm sorry, but the best selling SUV on this planet is by far the worst. Following doesn't mean anything.Quote:
MS {may be } didn't do anything for computing..But with their *crappy* software they built a strong following for the PC {Which is why linux is now for the PC }
Also, what do you mean, "Linux is now for the PC". As opposed to? Linux was orginally written for the x86 architecture. It is the GNU foray into PCs. And it was not written because Linus was disgruntled with MS. Linus simply wanted GNU on a CISC machine (for whatever reason). Linux was born on the PC, not migrated to it. Linux's predecessors, Unix, GNU, BSD, were born on RISC platforms, and some of them have made transitions to PC simply because the hardware is cheap.
Uhm... that is slightly different. If there was no MS there would be (and are) other companies. But Bill Gates is single handly responsible for holding back computing.Quote:
I can also say...simply put there would be a better medium if there wasn't an Internet.
I just thought of a story that I should relate:
It will be long, so hold on...
If I get some details wrong, someone correct me, please.
Some proffesors at CERN made HTTP and HTML so they could easily share documents. The idea caught on and a few students at BYU made Mosaic, the worlds first, wide-spread, GUI web browser.
MS eventually made IE, and the world hummed along.
At this point, I'm rooting for Mosaic. It was first, and it is available on more platforms than IE.
These students graduate and start a company and create another web browser, and a web server. They give away the browser for free and sell the server. It is the idea that we can't sell lemonade if no one has cups, so give away the cups, sell the lemonade.
This company is Netscape, the browser is Navigator.
I'm still pulling for Netscape since they have more features, available for more platforms, and, in all honest, made the web what it is. Besides, why pay for IE?
Sun releases Java, which poineers their "Write Once, Run Anywhere" mindset. Netscape quickly changes the name of a scripting language they were writing, from LiveScript, to JavaScript. Their language embodies the idea from Sun. They want a scripting language that you can put on a web page and it will run on a browser, regardless of the platform.
They release their specs for JavaScript in the hopes that JavaScript will run regardless of the browser.
Again, I'm rooting for Netscape, since they innovated.
MS picks up JavaScript, but they obliquely diverge from Netscape's published standards. There are, in essence, two distinctly different JavaScripts. IE had already gained market share on Netscape if for no other reason but MS had stopped selling the browser and started bundling it with their OS.
Now that more and more pages are using the IE proprietary JavaScript, it makes Netscape look more and more like an inferior browser.
This isn't helped by several internal problems with Netscape, major bugs released, a whole release (version 5) scrapped, and their aquistion by AOL (/TimeWarner).
The W3C takes over setting the standard (Recommendations) for JavaScript, as well as the DOM. Their recommendations fall inline with MS proprietary extensions, giving MS the head start in being compliant.
Netscape releases a new browser, version 6. They drop the Navigator/Communicator name and simply call the product Netscape. And it is 100% compliant, with no extensions.
Wow... I had stopped using Navigator and Communicator. And now am getting into Opera and Konqueur, so I don't see the need to mess with Netscape, but... wow... no proprietary extensions.
MS releases their latest version of IE. They also maintian complaince. But, yes, Virginia... it has extensions. MS has even (attempted) to refuse to serve MSN to any non-IE 6 browser.
Well, I may not use Netscape, but damned if they still don't look like a much better company than MS will ever be.
They will eventually loose and die, which will again show that the best product/technology/company doesn't always win.
Which is why we all drive Tuckers?Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
IF you have a quality product you will win no mater whoever is the monopoly.
1) A computer with a note saying "Ever used one of these?"
2) A monopoly board game with IT companies as houses and microsoft as hotels!
3) A brick!
4) A map with the indonesian island "Java" circled in red!
Not many of the users had this opinion. You are distinctively unique..Glad to meet you ;) All corel has to do is take some lessons from adobe and Macromedia.Quote:
Corel Wordperfect. Better than Word in my opinion, and has been for a very long time. It hasn't won.
It's the same thing you did to Windows . :PQuote:
What the hell are you doing to Linux to make it crash twice a day?
Correction: Linux didn't crash..KDE did. {But I've got some nasty freezes}
Well, he was referring to a hypothetical situation sneaking his own point without a proof. {if it isn't microsoft it's another megasoft and the world won't be a lot better than now}Quote:
What did you mean by "I can also say...simply put there would be a better medium if there wasn't an Internet" ?
I said..the PC wouldn't be popular without microsoft. What about Amiga ? Why wasn't it popular now ? It's microsoft marketing that did the trick.Quote:
Uhh... Linux would be for whatever platforms were popular. There are Linux binaries available for all sorts of platforms, and you can always get the source and compile
Obviously, that has lot of spelling mistakes {I typed with one finger while eating cookies...excuse}Quote:
I read that three times and I can't make any sense of it.
But I did pay for the cd + shipping + support.Quote:
But ofcourse, it is free, so you won't get a refund.
That's a good point. Just ask your company or whatever org you are working for, to reduce their customers. of Course, they don't mean anything.Quote:
the best selling SUV on this planet is by far the worst. Following doesn't mean anything.
Thanks for the history lesson :D but there wouldn't be a need for linux if there isn't a PC {Which became popular 'cos of Microsoft}.Quote:
Linux was born on the PC, not migrated to it.
Every one in the world would then be using a version *nix and would be calling each others version "crappy"...and some might even go to the extent of throwing pies at their CEOs.
Well..you are so appreciative about "Write once Run Every where crap" but could not tolerate an ECMA standard {C# and CLI infrastructure, Open for anybody in the world to develop and port to any other operating system} Submitted by microsoft ?? Isn't C# an Innovation of this time ?
This from O'reilly.com
http://java.oreilly.com/news/farley_0800.html
Quote:
For the Java and Open Source communities:
It would be easy to dismiss .NET as more Microsoft marketing-ware and continue on your merry way. But don't. .NET is a sign of a subtle but significant shift in Microsoft's strategy to evangelize their platforms. They have been fighting alternative frameworks and platforms at the management level pretty well, touting the usual questionable "statistics" about cost of ownership and seamless integration. Now they are fighting Java and open source initiatives on their own terms, putting their own spin on "open" and attempting to directly address the needs of developers, two things that they have been faulted for not doing very well in the past. If you consider yourself an evangelist for Java or open source platforms, then the nature of the war is changing. Be prepared.
Well...My dear Audience, What I am saying is this. Don't throw pie at anyone or indulge in equally _ acts. You can't bring down microsoft by throwing pies. You can of course spend the time helping a fellow making a free software.
And Microsoft is no devil than anyother business in the Industry.
All of them want your money. And the funny thing is ...you are working for one of them.
Pie throwers, good luck ! and change the world.
I know what you can do, throw him a bag with a note saying "Give me 99.9% of your money," then throw him a big BIG glass or something at him :D ;)
"It's the same thing you did to Windows . :P
Correction: Linux didn't crash..KDE did. {But I've got some nasty freezes} "
Enlightenment is great! Swicth to that instead of gnome or KDE!
Ohh and as only one other person on here knows 1 word Irix.;) ;)
Enlightenment is window manager not a desktop.. :p
No body rich enough to have SGI hardware..
meh make your own desktop then!
I bought an SGi for $1000 Australian thought it was made in 1995!
Good deal i reckon!
the company sold about 4 of them we only have 2 here nowadays!
:(
It's not that i hate Microsoft or Bill gates its just.. he's so famous. i realy need to throw something at him.
So i can tell to my childrens (i dont have them yet) . "i throwed something at Bill Gates" ;) *laughing*
I remember that guy. He's been doing that for years.Quote:
Originally posted by crptcblade
I wonder what happened to that guy. Bill probably had him thrown into the bottomless pit at MS HQ :D
He's Belgian and calls himself "Gloup Gloup".
His aim : embarrassing world leaders and powerfull people around the world.
Did it with some French big wig in the European parliament and his next target is supposed to be the Pope.
Belgians eh ... real big morons over here. Believe me, I know. :D
I know quite a few people who prefer WordPerfect. WordPerfect was far better than Word for long after Word became the market leader. Word's getting better now, but I still prefer WP. I'm not in the kind of minority you'd like to portray me in.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
Not many of the users had this opinion. You are distinctively unique..Glad to meet you ;) All corel has to do is take some lessons from adobe and Macromedia.
'Did the trick'? Sorry, but what exactly is so great about killing off Amiga? You make it sound like it's a good thing.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
I said..the PC wouldn't be popular without microsoft. What about Amiga ? Why wasn't it popular now ? It's microsoft marketing that did the trick.
So what exactly is your point here? If M$ hadn't achieved global dominion we wouldn't have had Linux? Personally I don't particularly care. Whatever gaps there would be in the market would get filled with something. Maybe we wouldn't have had Linux but that doesn't bother me because we probably wouldn't need it.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
there wouldn't be a need for linux if there isn't a PC {Which became popular 'cos of Microsoft}.
Every one in the world would then be using a version *nix and would be calling each others version "crappy"...and some might even go to the extent of throwing pies at their CEOs.
Why exactly is WORE 'crap'? Maybe it doesn't matter to you if you are only every going to use one platform, but for a cross-platform medium like the internet open standards and platform independance are pretty much essential.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
Well..you are so appreciative about "Write once Run Every where crap" but could not tolerate an ECMA standard {C# and CLI infrastructure, Open for anybody in the world to develop and port to any other operating system} Submitted by microsoft ?? Isn't C# an Innovation of this time ?
I don't see anything much that's new in C#. Smells like an attempt to rip off Java to me, and be able to make it biased towards M$ platforms without getting sued.
Ah, the Amiga. Between that and the 68K and 88K, you have more examples of better technologies dying off.Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
I said..the PC wouldn't be popular without microsoft. What about Amiga ? Why wasn't it popular now ? It's microsoft marketing that did the trick.
Cookie is her name? ;)Quote:
Obviously, that has lot of spelling mistakes {I typed with one finger while eating cookies...excuse}
Well, there would be distro wars, but no distro would be accused of unsavory practices. They would just be accused of making crappy distros. That I can live with. I don't mind Ford so much because, yes, they make a crappy product. But they aren't trying to redefine the roads so that only their crappy cars can use them.Quote:
Thanks for the history lesson :D but there wouldn't be a need for linux if there isn't a PC {Which became popular 'cos of Microsoft}.
Every one in the world would then be using a version *nix and would be calling each others version "crappy"...and some might even go to the extent of throwing pies at their CEOs.
C# is MS's copy of Java. No innovation. And I expect proprietary extension for C# running on a MS platform. JScript is MS's ECMAScript complaint language. MS didn't create or innovate ECMAScript. ECMA is a European association that helps set standards. After JavaScript (Netscape) came out, they helped set the standard, and map it to the W3C's DOM.Quote:
Well..you are so appreciative about "Write once Run Every where crap" but could not tolerate an ECMA standard {C# and CLI infrastructure, Open for anybody in the world to develop and port to any other operating system} Submitted by microsoft ?? Isn't C# an Innovation of this time ?
I don't think MS owns ECMA. (Maybe I'm missing something here, has MS turned over C# to be set up by ECMA? If so, I still expect MS to extend it on their platform.)
4Dwm rocks!Quote:
Originally posted by thinktank2
Enlightenment is window manager not a desktop.. :p
No body rich enough to have SGI hardware..
:D :D :eek:Quote:
Cookie is her name? ;)
Part-I
Genamics is a software and web development firm whose customers include numerous Fortune 500 companies and other multi-billion dollar organizations, including Exxon-Mobil, CommerceOne, Compaq Computers, Hewlett Packard, Baan, Healtheon, Peter Kiewit Sons', and Siemens.Quote:
C# is MS's copy of Java
Ben Albahari is a developer working at Genamics.
Read his comparitive review C# and JAVA at http://genamics.com/developer/csharp_comparative.htm
Read the conclusion he arrives at.
Part-II
ECMA
You can always know what's happening at the ECMA..Microsoft is not alone..in describing the standard. The follwoing companies are Involved in the ECMA TC39/TG2 and TC39/TG3 Standards..
Fujitsu Software, Hewlett-Packard, Intel Corporation, International Business Machines, ISE, Microsoft Corporation, Monash University, Netscape, OpenWave, Plum Hall, Sun Microsystems
http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/
What's interesting about C# is that Microsoft bothered to submit it to a standards group. From what I understand, that isn't true of Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl or very many other languages out there. Regardless, fretting about whether or not Microsoft will dominate the standard while doing nothing will almost certainly lead to that being a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Why wasn't JAVA thrown open source ?? JAVA is still a property of Sun Microsystems. They can change their license anytime like Unisys did.
PART-III
NO comments ;)Quote:
but I still prefer WP
I am using a PC and I am faithful to it. What about you ??Quote:
Sorry, but what exactly is so great about killing off Amiga? You make it sound like it's a good thing.
I am using it because..I feel it is better than AMIGA or MAC.
If I liked the amiga, I wouldn't be wasting my time on a PC :p
First..Java is not open, they haven't released the source code.Quote:
Maybe it doesn't matter to you if you are only every going to use one platform, but for a cross-platform medium like the internet open standards and platform independance are pretty much essential.
Second..."Write once run anywhere is a marketing slogan"
No this is not someone from microsoft that's telling..This is JAMES GOSLING the creator of JAVA.
Read his answer to the very first question.
http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/arti...ng/default.asp
When he was cross-examined in the Microsoft case...
http://www.itnews.com.au/crn/news/018-0412b.htmQuote:
Gosling did, in fact, say the Write Once, Run Anywhere slogan was used to market Java, but he said it remains a "goal" that Sun is gradually coming closer to meeting.
Open source people are developing an open source C# implementation and CLI infrastructure. JAVA's source code and implementation won't be revealed to you anytime by SUN and it's a property of SUN microsystems.Quote:
I don't see anything much that's new in C#. Smells like an attempt to rip off Java to me, and be able to make it biased towards M$ platforms without getting sued.
There is already a open source .NET {mono} project going on..
http://www.go-mono.com/
Read the faq's especially the one about Ximian and Microsoft..
Don't be left behind...this is what the people at O'reilly.com say.
O'reilly associates are supportive of the open source community.
I funny to see that they are more post than vote ....