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I noticed this recently: say when mouse pointer is over avatar then tooltip would say "User's Avatar" or when it's over the rating it would display something else... But it's not ... "Works" the same way on any other site so it must be my browser. Am I missing something?
Thanks guys.
The tooltip for pictures used to be set using the Alt property (alternative text if image cant be shown), eg:
..however, in newer browsers there is a separate property called Title, which is used as the tooltip, and they ignore the Alt (even if no title is set). I get nothing for the Google logo in FireFox, but do here for avatars etc, eg:Code:<img src="/intl/en_uk/images/logo.gif" alt="Google" height="110" width="276">
The strange thing is that I do get a tooltip for Google in IE (without any obvious options set to do so), so I presume you have a newer version of IE installed than I do, or that you have updates that I dont.Code:<img title="RhinoBull's Avatar" src="image.php?u=48080&dateline=1157817550" alt="RhinoBull's Avatar" border="0">
Thanks but I'm not sure what that means. :confused: Any way to fix it?
Basically the standards of HTML for this have been set (there werent any before), so the source of the tooltip has changed, but not all sites/pages follow the new standard yet.
I'm afraid I dont know how you can fix it - there may be an option in IE's "advanced" options (added in your version/updates), but I do not have anything relevant there myself.
I wish there was an option to change but there isn't... Thanks.
btw, web research also suggest html source but nothing that is relevant as to how to fix it... :ehh:
For whatever it is worth, I experience the same thing intermittently. I'm running IE6.
Really? :confused: Are you saying it gets fixed by itself? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack
That could happen if JavaScript is disabled in the browser settings. Check if it is enabled.
Also, maybe you people are running something (integrated/installed within browser) which has disabled JS.
The tooltip has nothing to do with JS
This is correct behaviour, although not what I get on MSIE 6.
Sorry, I wasn't sure about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
But, I disabled the JS (using FireFox), restarted the browser, moved the cursor over your avatar and the Tooltip didn't appear. Enabled JS again, restarted FF, moved cursor over your avatar and rep gems, and tooltip welcomed me!!
or is it only ME!! :eek:
How is it correct if it used to work and now it doesn't, pen??? :confused: Nothing special was (nor is intended in the future) installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
It's correct as per the HTML spec. Alt shouldn't be used for tooltips, title should. So you shouldn't be seeing tooltips, because there are no title attributes in the HTML source of the page. But I see tooltips anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
Clear as mud? :confused:
We're not talking about Firefox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harsh Gupta
Is it clear? Not really - what are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
Take two machines with identical settings (in my case it's one at work and one at home) - one shows tt and the other doesn't so something must've changed. So, what did change? That is what I'm trying to determine so I can prevent it from happening again or at least change it back. Do you know how to fix it?
Sorry to bother you people!!Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
No, I can't reproduce it.
What do you see if you go to this page?
http://sandbox.penagate.com/whatismy/useragent
Sorry I can't be more help.
Well, I see this:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
but I am at work and everything works here just fine.
OK further to my Bugzilla posting I must now apologize to Harsh - the title attributes are in fact added dynamically through the vBulletin Javascript file.
So Rhino if you have JS disabled that will indeed cause the tooltips to break. Make sure your security settings are set to permit that. (Security -> Custom Level -> Scripting -> Active scripting -> Enable) I think.
Aha... It is enabled here so I will check that at home. Thanks a bunch.
No luck so far - everything was enabled at home as well... :ehh:
umm, Where in IE 6, is the JS option available?? All i could find in the Advanced Tab:
- Use JRE 1.5.0_06 for <applet> - Checked
- Java Console Enabled - Unchecked
- Java Logging Enabled - Unchecked
- JIT compiler for virtual machine enabled - Checked
Active Scripting, like I said in post #18.
Rhino, if that still doesn't work, I'm not sure what the problem is.
Do you get normal tooltips for the toolbar icons?
That's the thing: I do. I thought about tooltips "hiding" behind the main window (since tooltips are windows too) so I tried few things but to no avail.Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
Very strange problem. :confused: But as Hack said he "experience the same thing intermittently" and that is what bothers me. Sounds like "come and go" but how is it possible? I did cookies cleanup and tmp...
It's under security --> custom level... (see image).Quote:
Originally Posted by Harsh Gupta
I wouldn't possibly know why but tooltips re-appeared - perhaps one of the most recent updates took care of that.
There was no changes in the settings what so ever.
Strange but OK with me so I can put this one to rest at last. :) :sick:
Just to clear up:
alt -> This is used for disability access and is intended for alternative descriptions to images and such for those with bad eyesight. It is also used by users with low internet speeds who turn off images by default.
title -> This is the toolTip on your mouse
(note that early browsers wouldn't discern the difference between them, but later ones ignore alt because it is intended for browsing with images turned off)
Perhaps you can clarfiy it one more time - what are you talking about, man? :confused:
If anyone is interested then here it is: as of this morning tooltips are disappeared again... It's just insane !!! :sick:
Alt is used if someone is browsing with images turned off. I think it's required for various countries' disability discrimination laws. So if the image is turned off, a bit of text (the alt tag) explains what the image is.
What "ALT" ??? :confused: :confused: :confused: Are there any settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
You keep saying ALT but what is it? How do you set it or how do you change it?
What I *suspect* might be happening is that an ad is delivering invalid Javascript, which produces a Javascript error and thus halts further execution of script. Since the tooltips are attached through JS, a JS error would stop their appearance, and it would also explain the intermittency.
Rhino, do you have a "Done, but with errors on page" message in the status bar when you can't view tooltips?
'Alt' is HTML code, as I showed in post #2. It is the "alternative text" to be displayed if an image cant be shown, so there is nothing you can do about it.
The tooltip is nowadays based on 'Title' rather than 'Alt' (the previous assumed standard), and is added to vBulletin pages by Javascript... which is why I think that penagate has found the problem.
But that shouldn't affect anything - anytime - anywhere regardless...
It works and it doesn't and then again - it works and it doesn't for no particular reason... That's insane!
If anyone can reasonably explain what ALT and/or Title has to do with all of the above I'd be grateful.
So far I am yet to find any reason and/or fix.
I think in the days of IE4 Alt was the ToolTip but this was mostly because M$ wouldn't follow the standards, now they do.
A typical HTML Image tag looks like this:Code:<IMG SRC="welcome.jpg" Alt="Welcome Image" Title="Welcome to the Home of VBF">
Indeed, and the Title is what is shown as the tooltip (so in that example, "Welcome to the Home of VBF").
vBulletin doesnt include Title by default - it gets added by Javascript. Because of this, this situation that penagate described makes perfect sense (having Javascript disabled would cause it too).
Explanation time.
The alt attribute (not tag) came first. MS didn't flout the standard, as it didn't exist at the time. Netscape did the same.
Title came after, as the W3C standardised method of providing a 'caption' - often rendered as a tooltip, at the browser (user agent)'s discretion.
However, the standard says that the alt should never be displayed as a tooltip. Alternate text is only ever to be rendered at all when the original element cannot be. So, in this respect, MSIE now gets it 'wrong'.
As si says, vBulletin adds the title attribute through Javascript and in fact all it does is copy the alt attributes. (Which is semantically incorrect, but practically achieves the desired effect.) As any Javascript errors can cause all Javascript execution to halt, an error in Javascript served by an advertisement could thus cause tooltips to break, as the code to add them will not be reached.
Alt and title attributes can be added to most HTML body elements.
Indeed so :thumb:
Indeed WHAT ?! How and mainly why that nonsense is affecting my machine? I have 5 (five) computers at home and 3 (three) at work. I've never experienced anything like this ever before because only one (this one which is my main machine) is affected.
Can you tell me how to fix or how to avoid this from happening in the future rather than telling me about the standars that MS did or did not follow I will appreciate it more.
Why should I care about the darn standards?
Thanks
You should care about the standards because you are a developer :eek:
Not in this case he's not... he's an irate user of web technologies. Sounds familiar. :)
If it is (an it might not be) an error in an advert, you will get the a JS error message, so, Rhino, when the tooltips don't work, do you have a "Done, but with errors on the page" message in your IE status bar?
That's the point - no errors what so ever - clean just like it should be.