US bomb kills allies in Afghanistan
The US military seems to make a habit of this, do they not? :rolleyes:
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US bomb kills allies in Afghanistan
The US military seems to make a habit of this, do they not? :rolleyes:
would appear soStill, nobody goes to "war" without expecting a few casulaties, albeit usually caused by the opposition.Quote:
On Monday, four American soldiers were killed while blowing up unexploded rockets, also near Kandahar.
Even the conditions in which this happened seem to bring out the stupidity in them.
Consolation to families: "We're going to launch an investigation"
Translation: "We hope you forget about it"
Why is it never: "American soldiers killed by friendly fire from allies"?
Reminds me of that Simpson's episode when an American fighter jet misidentifies Grandpa (I think) as an iraqi fighter jet...Quote:
"How this can happen is a mystery to us. Without a doubt there was a misidentification," he told reporters
Well ...
they've proven to be unable to distinguish between a roof with a giant red cross painted atop of it and one with the cross NOT painted atop of it :rolleyes:
What the **** is "friendly fire" supposed to mean?? Someone?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Why is it never: "American soldiers killed by friendly fire from allies"?
Its an awful euphemism (spelling?) for something that happens in all conflicts.Quote:
Originally posted by mendhak
What the **** is "friendly fire" supposed to mean?? Someone?
Combat officers are taught to take it into account when estimating casualties.
It is more understandable when it is inflicted by ground troops rather than 'fly-boys'. The stress, adrenaline, confusion and fear of close combat means mistakes are inevitable.
But the ******s in their multi-million pound planes even get to go home at night.
#1) They kill 'emselves - don't need our helpQuote:
Originally posted by simonm
Why is it never: "American soldiers killed by friendly fire from allies"?
#2) No other military in the world has such a pathetic track record. Does the US military hire black hawk pilots from pubs and bars, or what?
:rolleyes:
Agreed 100% again.Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
#2) No other military in the world has such a pathetic track record
The US forces are rated the lowest by all other NATO forces.
I believe that not!Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
Agreed 100% again.
The US forces are rated the lowest by all other NATO forces.
ARe you talking "popularity" wise? or for real??
There's going to be a wave of angry flag saluting gun touting USsies in here come 4 o' clock and the arguments will be the same as ever ("Who bailed you out in WWII", "If it weren't for us women would still be wearing burqas over there", "We have the biggest military and the best weapons", "STFU with your pathetic armies" and so on and so on ...)
Predictable really :rolleyes:
That may or may not be true but I do know the SAS don't trust them as far as they could throw them
They blame the US forces for a failed mission in Iraq because the US knew about the raid the SAS were about to do. The info was leaked and several SAS men were killed. They haven't forgiven them as witnessed when the US complained that the SAS wouldn't tell them where they were in Afghanistan.
TBH, only the people in the SAS know where they are half the time.
The only thing the US military has is supierior numbers, and superior technology. And of course, superior arrogance and aggression.Quote:
Originally posted by mendhak
I believe that not!
ARe you talking "popularity" wise? or for real??
The US special forces (SEALS) are jokes, they (the US military) kill more of their own than the enemy does, and they (the US military) are cowards, as attested by every soldiers, on both sides in the Vietnam War.
I'm talking experience-wise.Quote:
Originally posted by mendhak
I believe that not!
ARe you talking "popularity" wise? or for real??
US forces are not well respected for anything, they have a reputation for making a big noise then running away if their opponents don't.
Dude... don't even go there. I've been through mega flame wars about 'Nam. It's real touchy.Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
..... and they (the US military) are cowards, as attested by every soldiers, on both sides in the Vietnam War.
To who? The americans or the Vietnamese? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by mendhak
Dude... don't even go there. I've been through mega flame wars about 'Nam. It's real touchy.
Tell that to the Australian and Kiwi soldiers who cleared out vietcong boltholes while the yanks ran around claiming they'd done the work. Tell that to all the soldiers affected by agent orange. How pathetic can they possibly get?
Just you wait a few hours when they come wading in. "How can our allies speak about us like that ?"
It's probably because real life doesn't have a happy ending and not all combat situations aren't straight out of JAG or GI Jane ...
Watch this space ;)
I'll just keep saying 'Agreed 100%' to your posts on this subject I think.Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
To who? The americans or the Vietnamese? :rolleyes:
Tell that to the Australian and Kiwi soldiers who cleared out vietcong boltholes while the yanks ran around claiming they'd done the work. Tell that to all the soldiers affected by agent orange. How pathetic can they possibly get?
You mean even lower than the french? :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
Agreed 100% again.
The US forces are rated the lowest by all other NATO forces.
:D
now the A-Team, that would be a different storyQuote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
It's probably because real life doesn't have a happy ending and not all combat situations aren't straight out of JAG or GI Jane ...
Exactly.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Just you wait a few hours when they come wading in. "How can our allies speak about us like that ?"
It's probably because real life doesn't have a happy ending and not all combat situations aren't straight out of JAG or GI Jane ...
Watch this space ;)
Thats the US naivety that causes so many of their problems.
"We help you a little bit, so how can you even question us"
I'm not a fan of the French people, but their modern military is very good. Still French unfortunately but very good.Quote:
Originally posted by Jamagei
You mean even lower than the french? :eek:
:D
I know I started this thread but I didn't really intend for it to degenerate into too much American bashing.
Let's not drag the French into this either, what have they got to do with it?
Don't start on the ****ing French. They've gone and riled up all of Australia AGAIN. They want to dig up some AUSTRALIAN war graves to develop or some crap. So we save the bastards, and they desecrate our war graves. ****ers. :mad:
And the ***** pm or whoever they have said we were just 'being stupid'...
That seemed like the only way it would lead.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
I know I started this thread but I didn't really intend for it to degenerate into too much American bashing.
Let's not drag the French into this either, what have they got to do with it?
Even Germans are well trained. And don't start yelling WWIII yet, they're professionals and only 80.000 men strong.:eek:
Let's not start on the should'ves and could'ves. A slanging match is a slanging match. After all - they did bail us all out in WWII... :pQuote:
Originally posted by simonm
I know I started this thread but I didn't really intend for it to degenerate into too much American bashing.
Let's not drag the French into this either, what have they got to do with it?
The french have nothing to do with it. But I thought if the US was going to get flamed we may as well bring in some other nations. It's only fair, then the US won't feel discriminated against :)
They were trained in the first place - I wouldn't **** them bastards. They were just misguided... now, imagine if we had the Third Reich on our side... :p ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Even Germans are well trained. And don't start yelling WWIII yet, they're professionals and only 80.000 men strong.:eek:
They were trained in the first place - I wouldn't **** them bastards. They were just misguided... now, imagine if we had the Third Reich on our side... :p ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Even Germans are well trained. And don't start yelling WWIII yet, they're professionals and only 80.000 men strong.:eek:
(We could finally get rid of those NZ bastards, and put an end to their tyrannical rugby rule)
Now is probably the time to invest in a Euro rapid intervention force ;)
Like the idea though ...
well we know their nuclear warheads work at least :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
I'm not a fan of the French people, but their modern military is very good. Still French unfortunately but very good.
Unworkable.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Now is probably the time to invest in a Euro rapid intervention force ;)
Like the idea though ...
There could never be an effective command structure.
Can you imagine French telling Dutch what to do, or anybody listening to Italians.
And we simply won't.
hmmm, thought all EU members agreed on the force (on their own terms of course).
Nobody ever said there should be a joint command structure.
how about quotas ? If a crisis arises, you pledge your quota to the effort. The rest is decided in EU parliament (who gets which tasks, how many soldiers and so on).
Why would a french go about telling dutch what to do if every quota has a set out mission and sticks to it ?
Politicians agreed not soldiers.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
hmmm, thought all EU members agreed on the force (on their own terms of course).
Nobody ever said there should be a joint command structure.
how about quotas ? If a crisis arises, you pledge your quota to the effort. The rest is decided in EU parliament (who gets which tasks, how many soldiers and so on).
Why would a french go about telling dutch what to do if every quota has a set out mission and sticks to it ?
And any military action needs a complete command structure.
Not just bits for each piece of action.
There would need to be an overall CinC, and the idea of say a Greek general being CinC for a force containing British troops is laughable.
So you prefer as it is now ?
When a crisis arises, the EU has a hard time assembling a decent task force due to national interests and is almost forced to play second fiddle to a larger US contingent.
Look at our takeover of the Balkan Nato forces. Delays and delays.
No-one is sure how this force will look like much less how much they are willing to contribute.
Some fist we make :rolleyes:
wally's right. One reason for the USs strength/arrogance/ or whatever the **** you call it is a definite unity. Europe's not one country, and EU is probably a step in the right direction for europeans. I think it'll take some time though.
The reason the Balkans was a cluster**** was because it was an attempt to use a multi-national force.
I can't remember any military action by a real multi-national force that has worked.
Don't suggest the Gulf war 'cos that was a massive US bullying mission with others tagging along, the command chain was all American.
But who will you let it handle ? IFOR that fooked up on several occasions ? Nato forces ? EU forces ? UK forces ?
Your call
Handle what?Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
But who will you let it handle ? IFOR that fooked up on several occasions ? Nato forces ? EU forces ? UK forces ?
Your call