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It was the best quarantine... the biggest... nobodies done a quarantine like this before... and the markets are saying I know everything about quarantines. The WHO are amazed I know so much about... folks... we've got a bigger quarantine than China or the EU... their quarantines aren't even real... fake news.Quote:
in Trump's head
I've always found that kind of ironic. Considering that the average age of Florida is up near the average body temperature of the people there, you have a very populous state consisting primarily of at-risk demographics, yet they were really late to the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
On the other hand, having lived in Florida for several years, I can say that they pretty much live like there's no tomorrow in all areas.
I've never heard that :DQuote:
Considering that the average age of Florida is up near the average body temperature of the people there
I lived in the Tampa Bay area for about ten years. People have the usual mental pictures of Florida like Disney, beaches, big cities on the coast. But when you get into certain parts of central Florida it is more like south Georgia or Alabama. Lots of rednecks and country life. I'm not saying that should not have been "locked down" too because they do get out of the woods and swamps occasionally. But I think that might have been part of the Governor's reasoning.
You've read more into that statement than was there. But I will say that nowhere in the US or Europe have the government taken the kind of action that China did. Think there would have been riots if they tried, maybe now that people have seen the spread, it might be possible. New York still isn't under a true quarantine. They asked people to quarantine in place but there is plenty of people moving around and in/out of the city. Are we paying a price for our freedoms? Maybe.Quote:
I think there may be some exceptionalism at play here (not by you personally). All of Europe shares your values on civil liberties but were willing to set them aside readily in the face of a crisis
Your statement, probably I did. Similar statements I've seen round the net, less so. That's why I put "Not by you personally". I hope that came across and my apologies if it didn't.Quote:
You've read more into that statement than was there
My point was, though, that it's not the fault of your civil liberties that you're facing a worse problem, its the fault of the politicians who are using the liberties as a point scoring opportunity at a time like this instead of actually trying to deal with the problem.
I should also add that, while I don't feel the Dems are without blame in this regard and wanted to highlight that, Trumps behaviour has been far, far worse.
Believe it or not, your population absolutely would accept a total lock down a la Wuhan if they hadn't been primed not to. We pretty much have in the UK. NOBODY goes out right now except for food or if they're a key worker. It's been mostly voluntary but the police have been given full emergency powers to arrest and/or fine those flouting the rules - that they haven't needed to actually use them speaks volumes about how seriously we're taking this.
But Trump has spent the last 3 years priming large parts of your population to distrust their leaders, the media, scientists... basically anyone that could actually send them the right message at a time like this. So you've got large parts of your population that still genuinely think this is all made up or "not that serious".
To your point, I think...Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Of the fives states with no stay at home rules at all they all have republican governors:
Iowa
North Dakota,
South Dakota,
Nebraska,
Arkansas
FD,
Been noticing the last few days that the virus has really been spiking in the UK. Hope this is the top of the curve for you guys. Stay safe.
Where I live is strange, California has the largest population of any state, by far. But we're around 4th in confirmed cases and a very low death rate. NY has almost 10x the cases of any other state except their neighbor NJ. People are saying Ca. is doing so well because it acted early in introducing social distancing rules. Maybe, but I have a hunch a lot of the success is due to how sprawled out our cites are. So I'm not sure if we're going to have a lower rate of infections or maybe it will happen over a longer period of time. Either way would be helpful to the health care system. My daughter is a nurse and even with these low numbers the hospital administrators are wanting them to reuse the PPE.
I guess I'm like everyone else, I have no idea how this is going to play out.
yes I'm putting so many conspiracy theories ... :-)
Curious to know about 5G what do you think?
baseless theories?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbpqHsGaVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM3wKSS2zYY
Yes. Don't even need to see the conspiracy theory.
I believe the saying goes something along the lines of: Never ascribe a malign intent to something that can result from incompetence.
We basically aren't smart enough, nor well enough coordinated, to carry out much of a conspiracy theory.
I like that and we have an abundance of incompetence running this country.Quote:
I believe the saying goes something along the lines of: Never ascribe a malign intent to something that can result from incompetence.
@ two weeks ago I asked if we really could get 10,000 new cases a day. Today 32,000+ and 1,300+ deaths. And all we got is a president that says "The government stockpile is for the government". thank goodness for our state leaders because Trump knows nothing about being a leader, just knows how to blame someone else. Anyway, enough politics. Stay safe.
I don't think we've been spiking any more than in the previous couple of weeks have we? I must admit, I've kinda stopped looking at the exact number 'cause there's nothing I can do about it anyway. I took a quick look here and new cases has actually flattened off (2 days is probably way too premature to get optimistic about though). The deaths rate does seem to have spiked yesterday. Anyway, fingers crossed for all of us.Quote:
Been noticing the last few days that the virus has really been spiking in the UK
I don't think anyone does, it's a chaos system. Any state or country that declares it's low infection rates is due to it's excellent response or excellent heath facilities is engaging in hubris. Italy has one of the best health services in the world and did start acting early (though possibly not extreme enough measures) and got hit so hard simply because it was hit early. They weren't negligent, they were unlucky. Other countries are on the same curve, they're just further down it.Quote:
I guess I'm like everyone else, I have no idea how this is going to play out
One good thing (though not if you're Italian I guess) is that Italy has been an object lesson the rest of us can learn from. We know that lockdown really needs to mean lockdown - no popping round your mate's house or having an open ait get together. We know that this isn't a 14 day lockdown, it needs months. We know now that fresh air and sunshine are no defence so hoping that Spring will kill this thing is a no-goer. We know these things because of what Italy has had to endure.
We could (and should) have learned the same lessons from China but China is too different from us. We can talk about China's health services being inadequate, or the extra powers of a totalitarian government has, or how they're all eating bats and pangolins over there. It was easy to dismiss China by focussing on how they're different (even though most of that stuff is total BS and actually China is almost exactly like us), but you can't ignore Italy.
Anyway, you wanna know how desperate things have gotten over here? I've got so bored that I've installed the Sims 4 just so I can pretend I have a normal life. I now have a level 4 skill in toilet flushing (though when the shower broke I wasn't able to find a handyman who'd come out because "Corona"). It's desperate times at Casa del Funky.
Probably not more we are just still on that upwards curve, we had more than 700 deaths recorded yesterday. Apart from testing where we seem all over the place we seem to be do a lot more thing right now at least, i do wish we had acted sooner and faster but we are were we are.Quote:
I don't think we've been spiking any more than in the previous couple of weeks have we?
I worry for you guys over in the US you have gone from 1000 confirmed cases to over 250,000 in 3 weeks and you still not on country wide lockdown yet.
I feel fairly lucky in that i live with my Girlfriend and we have a good friend as a lodger so there are 3 of us here to share lockdown. I know a few people who live on there own and are going a bit stir crazy after 3 weeks alone !
Ha Ha yeah that kind of thing :DQuote:
I've got so bored that I've installed the Sims 4
I suppose a broken shower is one way to encourage social distancing!Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
100 years ago, the Chinese in the Qing Dynasty said that railway would cut China's dragon veins and affect China's national-luck. They destroyed railways everywhere. Those railways were built by the Qing government with the help of Westerners.Quote:
Originally Posted by reexre
100 years later(now), Westerners live in modern civilization said that 5G caused the COVID-19, and they started burning 5G base-stations and antennas. These devices were built by the Western government with the help of the Chinese.
My wife's hometown is Hubei Province, and I have also lived in Hubei for many years. My wife and I have never heard that Chinese people like to eat bats, maybe we live in another China. In addition, Chinese people do not eat pangolins, but traditional Chinese medicine believes that pangolin scales are the raw material for making traditional Chinese medicine, so pangolins have been killed in large numbers and are now almost extinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
IMO, the proportion of Chinese who have eaten bats is less than one in a million. Some people mistakenly believe that photos of eating bats in Southeast Asia and Pacific island countries took place in China.
Since the discovery of coronavirus in 1965, the coronavirus vaccine has never been successful. It seems that the COVID-19 epidemic can only be ended after the formation of "herd immunity".
In most cases, COVID-19 is similar to the flu, or it is a more serious flu.
@Dreamanor, Just to be clear, I was highlighting the way the Chines are portrayed, not the way you actually are. The way you actually are is: pretty much the same as us. Not sure if that will have been clear, given the language barrier.
This is where I check what's going on around the world,
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I posted that link once before but thought I would again because they have added two new columns to the grid. "Total Tests" and "Test / 1M pop". I think the numbers will mean different things depending where your country is in it's response. But I find the numbers interesting and it gives my brain something to play with for a while.
FD, I'm not near as optimistic that my government will make good use of the information from Italy and China. The CDC recommends wearing a face mask when your out in the community and our president say "I'm not going to do wear one", "It's optional, some people don't like wearing a mask". Hell no one likes wearing a mask.
That page is really depressing if you're from the UK. We're doing really badly on the testing:mad:
The message seems to be a bit mixed on that over here. We've basically been told that anything short of a properly fitted medical face doesn't work and you've got snowballs chance of getting one of those. But, since this is carried by droplets, I'd have though that any sort of mask would help to some degree.Quote:
The CDC recommends wearing a face mask when your out in the community
We were told that for a long time too. The reasoning now is, it's not to protect you from getting the virus, it to keep you from spreading the virus. They've found that the virus is being spread by people with no symptoms, so you need to threat everyone as if they have the virus. But I do think it would help some what from catching the virus and any way of improving the odd is a good thing. The problem is you can't buy any masks and I don't have scarfs. Though I do think I could ROCK that look!!!Quote:
The message seems to be a bit mixed on that. We've basically been told that anything short of a properly fitted medical face doesn't work and you've got snowballs chance of getting one of those. But, since this is carried by droplets, I'd have though that any sort of mask would help to some degree.
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by dreammanor
your example is a lot of fun. really.
I was just asking / asking myself some questions.
If it is true that little is known about 5G (it is obvious that those who have interests affect harmlessness.)
But until proven otherwise, this could be a contributing cause.
In the past there have also been funny cases opposite to yours. :-)
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It doesn't matter, I don't mind the wrong description about China by others. I just clarify some facts from my perspective when I have time and feel bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
In the process of fighting COVID-19, China's experience is not worth learning. Singapore seems to be doing the best job.
I add some other considerations.
Generally speaking, I wanted to make it clear that I'm not a fanatic advocate of conspiracy theories.
But these intrigue me.
About Covid, what makes me come up with (or at least take into consideration) strange stories is that there is very little certain plausible information.
There is (and there has been) a bit of chaos in the information. For example, here in Italy there was an "eminent" virologist who on February 2 publicly confirmed that in Italy there was a zero risk.
Informations / media say a thing and its opposite at the same time.
When I ask about 5G I obviously don't think that something was created on purpose, but that it could have gotten out of hand.
Can anyone point me to some scientific study / reliable sources [unrelated in any way with 5G industry] that speaks about health?
Electromagnetic fields have an effect on metal.
And I think it can also have it in the metals inside our body.
https://www.chop.edu/centers-program...ients/aluminum
BTW, Now I heard of another theory that speaks about EMF caused by sun (spikes waves)
However, I am not going to go into these discussions because they would be very long / infinite and everyone would adhere more or less to some (conspiracy or not) theory.
However, I always tend to be wary of the mainstream by my nature.
I think one thing to never forget is:
When someone, a (multinational) company, a leader, an authority, states / says some things or behaves in a certain way, the first thing we have to ask ourselves is WHY.
Why, or what does he have to gain in this action? what is its purpose?
This in my opinion is a rule that applies in all fields (but above all economic)
Why does this boy speak ill of the other? what does it gain?
Why does this guy make certain claims? who does he work for? by whom is he paid? is doing whose interests?
These are the kind of questions we should always ask ourselves.
(it happens almost instinctively to me)
Perhaps it is a widespread cultural heritage in Italy but when the authority says something there is immediately someone who does the opposite ... because we are a little naive. boyish, with the pros and cons. ("genetically" led to be wary of authorities)
Like when mom says to a child not to do a specific thing. Here is the first thing the baby does is just that. (or the opposite of the advice / rule given)
I believe that in Italy almost nobody is as loyal to the rules as a Swede.
Here is the end of the speech.
always ask yourself:
who does he get the money from?
who pays him?
what are his economic interests / objectives?
You see, some of you have just started quarantine / lockdown / (freedom) restrictive rules ... but ...
The first outbreaks in Italy date back to February 21,
The Venetian authorities canceled the last two days of the Venice Carnival. (23/25 February)
In my region of Italy, some measures started on March 1st, and the most restrictive ones started on March 7th.
So have an understanding .... I start to freak out! :-)
See you in a month
Just think if this time last year you walked into a bank with a bandanna on ???:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
Yeah, we had people get this wrong, too. Most notably, it was our president, but there were others.Quote:
Originally Posted by reexre
I'm not sure what you are saying. The US has essentially no 5G, butCode:When I ask about 5G I obviously don't think that something was created on purpose, but that it could have gotten out of hand.
Can anyone point me to some scientific study / reliable sources [unrelated in any way with 5G industry] that speaks about health?
Certainly a good thing to keep in mind for all things.Quote:
I think one thing to never forget is:
When someone, a (multinational) company, a leader, an authority, states / says some things or behaves in a certain way, the first thing we have to ask ourselves is WHY.
Why, or what does he have to gain in this action? what is its purpose?
5G Has literally nothing to do with Chronovirus, it couldn't be more unrelated. These conspiracy theory's really annoy the hell out of me, anyone can just say anything they want. I could tell you Carrots caused Chronovirus and it would be just as valid as 5G causing it.Quote:
When I ask about 5G I obviously don't think that something was created on purpose, but that it could have gotten out of hand.
Can anyone point me to some scientific study / reliable sources [unrelated in any way with 5G industry] that speaks about health?
Chronovirus is a virus and if you know anything about virus's you know they are not caused by Microwaves !!!!
A certain amount of scepticism is healthy, but it worries me what people are sceptical about and why they are not more sceptical about random people on the internet with seemly no qualifications or even in some cases no sense at all just making stuff up they thinks sounds vaguely plausible and putting it out there as truth !!Quote:
When someone, a (multinational) company, a leader, an authority, states / says some things or behaves in a certain way, the first thing we have to ask ourselves is WHY.
Sources of information matter and expertise matters it's fine to want to question official sources but you can validate many of them with a bit of research and reading and finding out if there is a consensus out there on something, dont replace them with crackpot theories just because some block on Facebook you dont know says so !!
I hadn't actually heard the 5G theory until after that. Of all the possible conspiracy theories out there, that has got to be the most nuts. Carrots are actually FAR more plausible as a cause than 5G. After all, they are at least biological.
It is nonsense but part of the theory is the 5G waves heat your body up lowering your immune system making you more susceptible :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Right, so fevers, which are a result of the immune response, are therefore crippling the immune response.
Does that explanation really make that nonsense more plausible?
I was pointing out the nonsensical nature of it...not agreeing in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Wow, just read an article about people in the UK trying to burn down cell phone towers.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/5...ories-n1177361
PT Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute" but now I'm starting to think that was an under estimate. I couldn't understand how Trump got elected but it's starting to make more sense now. Crazy!
When I read that I really wanted to prove your ridiculous hoax wrong... so I googled it... turns out it actually happened:eek:
That's nothing new. When I was growing up, a radio tower went into my home town. This was one of those big dishes used for astronomical radio analysis, not domestic. Still, a whole bunch of people in the town objected to it being built on the principle that it would make us a target for Soviet missiles. People have some pretty weird beliefs.
Well, yeah, there's always idiots. But I wasn't expecting people to start burning down towers!
I guess stupid gotta stupid.
What's even more stupid is the towers they burned down were not even 5G !!Quote:
Well, yeah, there's always idiots. But I wasn't expecting people to start burning down towers!
It's the same kind of reasoning that led to people voting Brexit because... brown people.:rolleyes:
Make America White Again was what the hat meant right?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I hesitate to lump everyone in together but for some of the people wearing it... yes.
Very true - not all Trump supporters think that way. It amazes me he has as much non-white support as he does though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
So, Boris is sounding like he's in a bad way. Bit hard to judge, though. News is coming out a bit skewed.
Britain’s original strategy was based on the presumption that most people in the country will eventually get the virus, and severe measures to contain it are unlikely to work. I guess he got part of that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
It sounds like he's through the worst of it. Still in intensive care but off the ventilator. I'm not a fan but I wish him the best.
Don't even know anything about him but found myself pulling for him, just seemed like it would be best for the UK. The US and UK are being hit hard by deaths today but France is just sky rocketing. Thought they may have leveled off. You just don't know, could be a "blip" and go back down tomorrow. I can't believe the hell NY/NJ area has been going through (I know other cities around the world have gone through this but this is the one being covered here is the US). It's amazing how strong people can be when needed. There's signs that NY is flatting off, I sure hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
OK...now we have "Zoom Bombing".
https://fortune.com/2020/04/06/zoom-...ts-spacex-ban/
At least it is new to me. Basically, and mostly due to user error, it is not that difficult to insert yourself into a Zoom session (a face to face user sharing app). Some imaginative hackers have posted pornography into virtual class rooms, others scribble all over the presentations until that meeting is canceled, etc. Isn't it amazing how a tool that generally benefits everybody gets turned into something nefarious by small groups of people. Opportunists are always just waiting to jump...
I'm afraid that isn't quite right... he apparently hasn't been on a ventilator (or CPAP etc), just a standard oxygen mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
He was moved into intensive care just in case it gets worse, and for constant monitoring of his circumstances.
The official reports give the impression things are OK at the moment, but might get worse later.
Over the years he has mainly been seen as a bit of a comedy character (saying silly words, getting stuck on a zip-wire, etc), but over the last couple of months he has been very impressive - I don't think any other politician could have dealt with the crisis significantly better than he has (but I'm sure after it's all over, we'll all see things that could have been done better).Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I certainly hope that he gets healthy again, and quickly. As a nice bonus, it would raise peoples spirits a bit.
There is reason to be hopeful based on the delay from the way things work - in the UK we are seeing signs of the lockdown working (apparently todays death toll is about 20% lower than predictions), and I suspect that due to lockdowns in other places that things will be improving for them too.Quote:
The US and UK are being hit hard by deaths today but France is just sky rocketing. ...
A bigger concern is the places that haven't gone into lockdown yet, especially less developed nations.
The country I'm worried about is India. Just 5,000+ case, 150 deaths. I don't know how this could be possible, Over 1,000,000,000 people in India. The cases may be low because they don't test, maybe they don't test why people die either. They have a lot of densely populated areas and that usually mean high volume of cases. I just feel like it's about to explode. This is one of those times I hope I'm wrong, it happens all the time.
FangZhouZi(Fangshimin):
Wuhan has unblocked the city today, and should have done so earlier. At present, Wuhan should be the city with the lowest risk of infection by the new coronavirus in the world. After a period of time (perhaps a few weeks), it will be the same in New York(unblocked and become the least risky city). Think about the beginning, when Wuhan just locked the city, countless Wuhan people squeezed to the hospital, and then took the virus home and brought it back to the community ...
Note:
FangZhouZi(Fangshimin) is a supporter of "group immunization"(herd immunity), and so am I.
You're correct. Some of the reports I saw used some slightly misleading language (e.g. they were "optimistic because he was breathing unaided" and that he had "had oxygen" - which isn't quite the same as being on a ventilator) and I passed my misunderstanding on. The news I'm seeing is cautiously optimistic though.Quote:
he apparently hasn't been on a ventilator
I hope that news is right. While I may not like his politics I think he's a great character and has been a pretty good leader over the last couple of weeks. I hope he pulls through.
On a side note, Trump has taken to blaming the WHO for this for being too "China-centric" and is threatening to withhold funding. Just What?!
Wow so all it took was for Boris to take a Pandemic seriously and stop making jokes for him to be seen as impressive?Quote:
Over the years he has mainly been seen as a bit of a comedy character (saying silly words, getting stuck on a zip-wire, etc), but over the last couple of months he has been very impressive - I don't think any other politician could have dealt with the crisis significantly better than he has (but I'm sure after it's all over, we'll all see things that could have been done better).
Of course other politicians could have dealt with it better we have examples around the world, the fact is many dealt with the crisis equally bad or worse and so Boris on the scale of responses is probably somewhere in the middle.
I know i am not a Tory and so i have a natural bias, but even so i found very little he has done during this pandemic impressive. He took no hard choices, he did only what he had to do when confronted by the science and he did it late, even now we are struggling for a testing response because of his decisions in January and February. Even now we have no clear plan for contact tracing which almost every expert says will be critical in reopening after lockdown.
The leaders who i have found impressive are those who looked at what was happening around them and made early tough decisions that saved lives such as Jacinda Arden in New Zealand and Moon Jae-in in South Korea. New Zealand looks like it may have the shortest lockdown of any country because they moved quickly and decisively.
Many countries including the UK waited and waited, Germany, South Korea and others were buying machines, swabs and reagents etc for Testing in January and February.
Speed of response and getting ahead of the virus spread are keys to dealing with we have been lacking in both.
That was the moron being the moron. He is already walking that back. On a daily basis he tries to rewrite history so that he is the absolute genius that saved the US. What is sad to me is around 40% of American swallow his crap and will vote for him again.Quote:
On a side note, Trump has taken to blaming the WHO for this for being too "China-centric" and is threatening to withhold funding. Just What?!
I just love the irony here...
The acting, and recently resigned in disgrace, Navy secretary Thomas Modly addressed the Navy crew of the Theodore Roosevelt following the Captain being replaced when a letter he wrote about members of his crew having Covid-19 was leaked to the press. Part of his diatribe was if the Captain didn't know the letter would be leaked that made him "too naive or too stupid" to be in command of the aircraft carrier. At that very moment he was being taped. And guess what...that was leaked to the press :eek:
His first response to the criticism was to double down and say that he "stood by every word". Then the dominoes started falling and he apologized to the crew. Then he resigned and followed that with a bigger apology. I just love that he stood there and berated the Captain for the very thing he was standing there doing :p
He seems to be a good "war time" prime minister, but that doesn't mean I think he is good for other situations - I'm sure his actions for other things will annoy me many times in the next few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers
I was pointing out that I don't think that any of the other politicians we have in this country would have done much better than he did, except with hindsight.
I agree that many countries have dealt with it better - but comparing countries is awkward for a variety of reasons (eg: before this started Germany already had 3 times the ventilators per person that we did).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers
Our political history over the last decade or so has caused all kinds of complications (including NHS funding). In terms of a great response, from what I've seen Taiwan has been amazing - they tested everyone arriving into the country, and have had only 5 deaths. They attribute that to having had similar situations over recent years, so their response was not only well planned and equipped, but also almost immediate.
Based on the circumstances of the UK, and the wide variety of impacts the situation has (not just health, but also economic etc) I don't think our scientists etc made bad decisions at the time, but of course hindsight has already changed that to some degree. The political part of things on top of that has been very good, but not perfect... my opinion (despite my usual feelings about Boris) is that in terms of UK politicians, there isn't anyone who would have done the political part much/any better than he has.
I think I agree with that. I do think some wrong decisions have been made before this that meant we were behind the curve as far as testing and equipment have been concerned but I also think that Bojo has come across pretty well since the outbreak. He's presented well, with some decent gravitas, and done a good job of instilling some confidence in the country.Quote:
He seems to be a good "war time" prime minister
I don't agree with the assessment that he only acted when "confronted" by the science. His approach, as far as I've seen it, has been to defer to the Chief Medical Officer all the way down the line.
I disagreed with austerity politics but I also recognise that it's a rational policy and is really a bet on what the future holds. In terms of the NHS at least (and probably a bunch of other areas, we'll see what the future holds) the bet turned out to be wrong. This is my biggest criticism but it's a criticism of the whole recent Tory tenure, not of Boris himself.
I do think we've got better leaders than Boris in the wings but they sure hell haven't been leading labour lately:rolleyes:. The only party leader I can think of who would have done a better job is probably Nicola Sturgeon (even if she does remind me of Wee Jimmy Cranky) but I think there's actually quite a few politicians in the wings at the moment who seem to be being overlooked, particularly in Labour (though that may change under Starmer).Quote:
there isn't anyone who would have done the political part much/any better than he has.
Now he is doing that and in fact since we have locked down i am happy generally with how the government has acted, it was what they did before lockdown that i feel was lacking.Quote:
I don't agree with the assessment that he only acted when "confronted" by the science. His approach, as far as I've seen it, has been to defer to the Chief Medical Officer all the way down the line.
There were leading Scientist saying we should have locked down sooner as much as 1-2 weeks earlier once we saw what was happening in Italy and Spain, and in doing so we could have flattened the curve faster and been out of lockdown faster.
The government took some convincing they would have to go into a full lockdown, and it is fairly common knowledge now that it was the Imperial College London report that finally changed there minds on there strategy.
Also we had evidence a to what was happening in China in January, and what we didn't do was say what if this come over here. are we prepared and what do we need to prepare.
It is pretty clear that in March we started to do all the right things but by that time every country round the world is scrambling for tests and equipment.
When it comes to ignoring evidence, we're second to none.
Someone here has a signature:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Winston ChurchillQuote:
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
Your right. It frustrates/angers me that he is not held accountable for constantly spewing lies and berating people. I've always hated liars and bullies. But believers will find a way to believe, if you tell them what they want to hear, they'll find a way to rationalize it so it is true.Quote:
What is sad to me is around 40% of American swallow his crap and will vote for him again.
What worries me is between the believers and the people that vote party lines no matter what, he will probably win again.
There are a lot of people that think Trump will try and stay in office even if he is voted out. He has already stacked the courts, disemboweled institutional controls, duped 40% of the country, and has declared the press the "enemy of the people". I can just see him using the virus a reason to try and stop the election until he has saved the country. I never thought American democracy could change to a despot but I'm watching the possibly grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I not at that point yet. I still believe a large majority of Americans (even Republicans ) want and believe in our constitution. But what the hell do I know, these last 4yrs has made it clear to me that I don't know squat.
Wait... what? Who could possibly be so rude about our fine American Cousins?!Quote:
Someone here has a signature:...
(I actually think it's a pretty good assessment of all societies, not just you lot):p
He'll try, it just won't amount to anything.Quote:
There are a lot of people that think Trump will try and stay in office even if he is voted out