Israeli/Palestinian fighting

Moon
sorry.but plz resend the link since I don't want to go back and search, u know lots of pages....but I'll take a look

mikeycorn

You've been talking about the history of that area claiming it is Israeli's land ,ok the old testiment said that and I believe that ...
But for those who said that we should stand beside Israelis because GOD said so ,Jews did kill Jesus hadn't they ,and their religon is based on a fact that destroys the whole christianity principles and it says that Jesus hadn't come yet although I have a picture of him:D :D :D :D so stop this religous crap of their right.
If I believed in no GOD and someone came claiming a land I was living in is his land and he wants to get me out of it , I would fight him or shall I say it was their's let's find another on that is for no one

Then why did they came into it and started executing people froced about 750 000 to leave Palestine and I've mentioned the brutality and the way they used at that perioud of time.
They kill thousands and shout that they want the palestinians out ,why didn't they came in peace and lived with christians and muslims in the area without fight ,and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....and if they didn't force arabs(Christians and muslims)
to get out no one would've ever mind, but they want to destroy the holy mosque of muslims and build a temple instead of it,
If they went to the church wanting to destroy it to build some temple, I would mind:rolleyes:

And for the countries around them, tell me that the rulers care,they don't ?????they don't have weapons like Israel does,and america is backing up Israel as u know(deny it:rolleyes: ) and they are dectatorists but are the people there accepting them ,I don't think so but they are forced to and USA is not helping when it claims that they have friends in these arab countries (the rulers) and that people's opinions in that far away area doesn't matter and we just need an ally in that area for political reasons.And why did Israel started its terrorist acts one day after those arab countries presented peace settelment that Israel had never dreamt of:confused:

Ok ,I'll take a look at moon's link maybe I'd change my mind but with the mean circumistances and what I'm seeing of the Israeli brutality , I think that'll be hard although I once believed they had all the right

And why don't Israel let the refugees get back ,why did they expell them in the first place

And If u want to have a comparison :

20 palestinians killed yesterday
14 the day before
9 thee one before
12 the day before

and I don't know how many thousands since the last year
while we hear at most that 20 Israelis were killed in a bombing attack every while and then ,while palestinians are being killed everyday with no one to care and some claiming they have no right to protest while jews have that right because they have the power and using it whoever they like claiming its self defense.

BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water:rolleyes:

thanx
And plz all of u pay attention to links.Oops, I didn't:D

www.mfa.gov.il
Skip the news in orange and see the links which answer to your questions.

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Jews did kill Jesus hadn't they ,and their religon is based on a fact thay destroys the whole christianity principles and it says that Jesus hadn't come yet although I have a picture of him

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Jews didn't kill Jesus (or Joshua as his name was, he was a jew didn't you know?) as for the rest is the other way around because Christianity came after the Jewish religion, not that it bothers the Jewish people.

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They kill thousands and shout that they want the palestinians out ,why didn't they came in peace and lived with christians and muslims in the area without fight ,and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....

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I see... soo you think the War of Idependence in 1948, the 6 days war, the Gulf War were all wars provocated by the Israelis. You need to see some history books dude.

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but they want to destroy the holy mosque of muslims and build a temple instead of it,
If they went to the church wanting to destroy it to build some temple, I would mind

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they never destroyed the mosque and they never will, it is built on holy (for Jews) ground, that's why Jews not even go there.

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BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water

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He had his chance to stop them before this all big operation. He was asked politely to do that several times. Zinni himself delivered him a list of wanted terrorists. Do I need to think for you too??

www.mfa.gov.il if you have already forgotten.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....

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Israel is probably the only country in the Middle East where a dog can easily find a tree to piss on. Arabs have the act of desertification (spelling?) in their culture. Whatever they conquered centuries ago in the south of Europe are today barren lands with lack of forests. Take the south of Spain for example...

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Then why did they came into it and started executing people froced about 750 000 to leave Palestine and I've mentioned the brutality and the way they used at that perioud of time.

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More Jews were expelled from Arab and North African countries than Arabs from Israel in 1948-9. I don't see any refugee camps for Jews, why weren't the Arabs absorbed by the Arab countries?

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And for the countries around them, tell me that the rulers care,they don't ?????they don't have weapons like Israel does,and america is backing up Israel as u know(deny it:rolleyes: )

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The Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis, and Kuwaitis fund the Palestinians, so what?

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And why did Israel started its terrorist acts one day after those arab countries presented peace settelment that Israel had never dreamt of:confused:

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The peace settlement wasn't a settlement at all, it would have destroyed the state of Israel.

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And why don't Israel let the refugees get back ,why did they expell them in the first place

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All Arabs living within the State of Israel at the time of the declaration of independence were offered Israeli citizenship.

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and I don't know how many thousands since the last year

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The figure peddled by Arab sites is less than one thousand.

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BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water:rolleyes:

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He's had nine years of almost unlimited mobility to stop the terrorists, he's done nothing but strengthen them.

ok we watch these pictures everyday repeatedly on all TV channels and we felt sorry but why do not these channels put the pictures of the killed palestinians , if we see a picture it seems as a part of the truth , but the don't put the whole truth and so many other pictures that (and I tell u) are even more horrible than those are not seen.

And in 1948 the jews started the war and expelled the palestinians out to other countries (about 750 000) and killed a very big number in horrible ways (maybe your reading the wrong history books) and I'll send the pictures I've got as soon as possible (how the hell can you attach more than one picture in these forums ):confused:

And for zenni he's asking for a one side seizing fire and other conditions that after the palestinian accept USA will START THINKING IF IT'S GOONA ASK ISRAEL TO SEIZE FIRE AND ITS KILLING to palestinians.

And BTW I'm a christian and Jesus differs from Joshua that jews think of , and yes I think they've crossified him and then resseruction occuered and that's why we celebrate Easter:rolleyes: and that's a fact that christians now and GOD in the Bible(new testimnet never said help the jews to get their land in any place) the old testiment said that Jesus is coming and it came but the jews still think that's not the one and he hadn't came yet ,(they've killed him for that) and u say they didn't.
And yes I know he was a jew but was not Joshuaaaa

Last thing Arabic countries that I've visited lots of are not as you say , they are civilized countries (ok maybe the ones I visited) and have lots nice buildings and lots of trees for the dogs and they have cars (believe it or not):p

the peace settelment asked Israel to get to 1967 border which represent around) 70% of the land or more as I think) to get Palestine on the rest of the and to have peace with all other countries , is that a bad settelment for 54 year of occupation , they used to ask arabs to even think of peace and now they refuse

And for the Israeli citizenship story refer to the previous pages where I mentioned how Israel kicked arabs out and killed a lot after the trick of giving them the citizenship.

And you can't get into someones land form a country calling it "independence" and then give it's original people a citizinship,what kind of life is that ?(Story of americans and the original americans)

Israel is preventing any funds from getting to palestinains and America is a friend of kwuait and it has more american bases than in the US :D ,and the same in saudi .
And what funds would be enough against billions of dollars and weapons to Israel:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
And in 1948 the jews started the war and expelled the palestinians out to other countries (about 750 000)

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Err, no. The State of Israel was invaded by Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Israel asked for peaceful relations and instead was forced into war. That is why Palestinians had fled, were killed, and became expelled.

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Last thing Arabic countries that I've visited lots of are not as you say , they are civilized countries (ok maybe the ones I visited) and have lots nice buildings and lots of trees for the dogs and they have cars (believe it or not):p

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You are an idiot if you think Arab countries are civilized.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
the peace settelment asked Israel to get to 1967 border which represent around) 70% of the land or more as I think)

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The Israeli side of the 1967 armistice lines represent approximately 25% Palestine.

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And you can't get into someones land form a country calling it "independence" and then give it's original people a citizinship,what kind of life is that ?(Story of americans and the original americans)

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Palestine was not the Arabs' country. Partition would have created an Arab state out of the remainder of Palestine. The Israeli part of the partition map held strong Jewish majorities by the end of 1948.

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Israel is preventing any funds from getting to palestinains and America is a friend of kwuait and it has more american bases than in the US :D ,and the same in saudi .

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Israel is at war with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, completely irrespective of their relations to America.

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And what funds would be enough against billions of dollars and weapons to Israel:rolleyes:

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Nobody said the fight had to be fair.

No need for words like idiot, it's a discussion (still...)
And I may be wrong
I said the ones I visited and and nothing there was disturbing to a tourist you know

so cheer up and calm down

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
I said the ones I visited and and nothing there was disturbing to a tourist you know

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You don't need to club people in the streets to be uncivilized. There is no democratic Arab state, people who oppose the state are shot every year, terrorists are supplied, operate, and attack from Arab states without restriction. That is uncivilized.

Not fair OK but stop claiming they are the weak country, I know that Iraq has nothing to fight with right now, I don't think USA couldn't remove all weapons or they can even rebuild ,that's crap, I think they have political reasons like cheap Feul of other countries and of Iraq

And how do these countries allow american bases to be on their lands , and I've never heard of a real war between Israel or Kwait

And what majority was that , all the jews came from all countries and they didn't use to live there.
And what they did in 1948 was not a good act in my opinion and arabs had the right to prevent Israel from occupying the land and expelling people (as refugees)

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
and I've never heard of a real war between Israel or Kwait

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Israel is at war with every Arab and North African state except for Egypt and Jordan. Kuwait was a heavy benefactor of the Yom Kippur war.

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And what majority was that , all the jews came from all countries and they didn't use to live there.

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...so what?

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And what they did in 1948 was not a good act in my opinion and arabs had the right to prevent Israel from occupying the land and expelling people (as refugees)

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There wouldn't have been an occupation or refugees if the Arab states hadn't attacked in the first place.

ok
Talking about democracy why does Israel treating arabs with citizinship as a scond class,maybe a second hand:p and are judging in courts those arab people in the parliment.

And a country is civilized with it's people not by rulers, at least some people fight for democracy and at the same time condemn Israel acts.

nad_scorp I can't understand how an ilogical person like you manages to go to university. Are you studying philosophy? Anyway, I quit. Discussing with my mother is more easy...

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Originally posted by goatse
Israel is at war with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, completely irrespective of their relations to America.

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Now you've lost me...

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Talking about democracy why does Israel treating arabs with citizinship as a scond class,maybe a second hand:p and are judging in courts those arab people in the parliment.

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Arab-Israelis have more rights in Israel than Jewish-Israelis, because they are not subject to the draft. It is an offense for MK's to perpetuate racism or act against the general consensus of the State of Israel, which is why that MK was relieved of his seat.

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Originally posted by Moon
Now you've lost me...

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When the State of Israel was created, almost every important nation on the planet recognized it, except for the Arab states. This makes the Arab states hostile towards Israel, and they are thus formally at war.

Why is that Moon ,what is that u didn't like ?

I see...

And I didn't know Israeli-Arabs had more rights, but I did know they are not obliged to go to the army.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Why is that Moon ,what is that u didn't like ?

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Your lack of logic in your reasonings, or should I said instead "cocktail of beliefs"?

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Originally posted by Moon
I see...

And I didn't know Israeli-Arabs had more rights, but I did know they are not obliged to go to the army.

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Well, in all other respects they are equal citizens.

Cocktail

OK here's what I think
I think that Israel has no right to take take over a land and expell people nor they have the right to kill innocent people what so ever

They have the biggest part of refusing peace process

They commit acts I've never seen before and they're called civilized and democratic
check the gallery of this site and I have other pictures that are very new.
http://www.ummah.org.uk/unity/sabra/main.html

You'll say I can't rexplain how Israel was created again to this guy with "cocktail beliefs" ,but the whole idea can't just fit in this cocktail mind

Maybe when u see the pictures u would now why a misery man with no hope after jews destroyed his life ,killed his family and can't fight back would blow himself up in a jewish community which in a way has no real citizens , all of them are trained in the army for parts of the year.

Damn it ,I wanted people to see those Israelis acts and I'll be called anti-semitic ,BTW arabs are from simitc ansesctors
Jusr don't let them do what they're doing with palestinian unarmed citizens

Massacres are being done and photographers are prevented from entering these areas but pictures are always revealed.

and BTW check this picture as an exmple for those left bleeding to death and houses being destroyed

and this page contains Adult materials:
http://www.futuretvnetwork.com/justi...acre_pics.html

nadscorp (and some others out there), why not get ur facts straight. heres a refresher: http://www.senate.gov/~inhofe/fl030402.html

Go get a history book if u need more details

There's no use to insist with nad_scorp to accept historical facts... I don't justify any bloodshed, but It seems to me that he has all his arguments based on the bloodshed itself rather than the story behind it.

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Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

I've seen that article and I've a question if this senator is a jew or not :cool: ?

And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

And have u watched on news the pictures of Israeli Army using palestinian women and children as a shield in front of tanks while they tried to enter Genin camp (spelling ???) to prevent the palestinians from trying to fight back,now Give me an explaination for that (reasonable one and I'll be convinced ) ?? I've heard that they've been using this before ?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

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The Partiton Plan of 1947 was to create two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs. That became invalid when the five Arab states invaded the Jewish state. If you want to blame someone for that, blame the governments of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.

and for the 1967 borders, it give the palestinians about 22% of the land and the rest for Israel, I can't even imagine how arabs had agreed for such a settelment ,why don't they ask for 50% ?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
and for the 1967 borders, it give the palestinians about 22% of the land and the rest for Israel, I can't even how arabs had agreed for such a settelment ,why don't they ask for 50% ?

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Under the 1967 borders, Israel would become less than 30% of original Palestine.

No I'm sure it's the other way around Israel would get about 70% of the whole country (including those they occupied in 1967)

And plz re-read my post above it was just edited when u sent ur reply

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
No I'm sure it's the other way around Israel would get about 70% of the whole country (including those they occupied in 1967)

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http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?postid=913430
Doesn't really leave much for either the Palestinian state or Israel.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

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I can show you the most dispicable pictures imaginable, it wouldn't change a great deal.

what does that last statment mean.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
what does that last statment mean.

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It means what it says. Pictures do not tell you the whole story. If I show you a picture of a dead person with blood all over the floor, how could you tell me that he wasn't a suicide bomber who just set off a bomb? Or was going to set off a bomb, but was shot before he could? Or was an innocent person caught in the cross-fire? Or an innocent person murdered for no apparant reason? Or a haemopheliac who cut himself with a kitchen knife and bled to death? Or perhaps he was killed by his family to put pretty pictures to gain sympathy? Or his neighbour got angry and beat him to death with a pipe over a contract dispute?

How do you know that any of these are true or untrue simply by looking at a picture?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

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At school, a teacher showed pictures to the class (everyone was 15-16 years old) about abortion. That included a picture of what seemed scrambled eggs but it was something red and the teacher pointed at us a tiny baby's arm.

This teacher's methods and your methods are not different and are both repugnant.

But if that's the way you make judgements I guess you'll only change your view when you'll go to a pub and a "martyr" explodes himself next to your friends in a Saturday night.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

I've seen that article and I've a question if this senator is a jew or not :cool: ?

And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

And have u watched on news the pictures of Israeli Army using palestinian women and children as a shield in front of tanks while they tried to enter Genin camp (spelling ???) to prevent the palestinians from trying to fight back,now Give me an explaination for that (reasonable one and I'll be convinced ) ?? I've heard that they've been using this before ?

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Inhofe is Presbytarian :rolleyes:. and Palestinians rejected a state in '48 :rolleyes:. thats why they didnt get it

alright where are we
am back in

Has nad_scorp gone, or is he just frustrated that he lost?

adam, your not a man, your not even a little boy...
if you were man enough you would just not come back here
if you were wanted, you wouldnt have been banned
shame that you have absolutely no self-respect....

who's adam?