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That looks really good. Much better then I was first thinking about when I was thinking about the Map Editor..usualy I don't use much time on map editors. They rarely get used to much after the "release" anyway...but this is terriffic. Great job.
BTW I have 05 installed on this machine now...so I guess I can close down every running app on my Linux box afer hours at least a few days a week and then use this machine as a dev machine for D#...
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Thanks very much :)
And well done! I'll send you my latest stuff tonight, then you can edit my camera class with the optimisations you mentioned earlier and send the class back to me.
wossy did that drag drop work for you?
Not had chance to try it yet, I don't have the project with me at the moment, the above screeny was generated by some code I hacked together with fake classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kleinma
For wossy's eyes only...
(nothing interesting just the code that draws the grid).
When are we getting the preview version?? ;)
There won't be one. Just a series of releases (and patches maybe) and of course lots of maps. :D
maps! i like maps!
map editors do so get used after the release, did i mention i like maps? i hope you load it with enough goodies for us to play with after you release a copy, perhaps the ability of custom enemies would be nice, since theyre only billboards :D
OK Phill, well volunteered, I want you to get MSPaint and do a rough sketch of a map layout that you want us to make. The only constraint is taht walls must run north/south or east/west. Doesn't have to be pretty or anything, just give it some sort of theme.
The maximum grid size is 25 by 25 (the screenshot above shows you a 3 by 3 grid just so you can get a good idea).
Get creative, rooms can be as big as you want, as long as everything fits inside the grid. You've got 24 hours. GO! :D
yeah ok, give me something different to do during slack time.
thought about doors yet?
Didnt take long, did up a quick one, should be alright for at least a first to start with, i marked a couple of things out where tings may go
Perfect!
We still need textures. We've got a few crappy ones but they dont follow any theme.
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Originally Posted by wossname
What?? When did my 500 lines worth of camera code YOUR class...**** on you..:D..I'll soon add a copyright to my Vector class to if you don't shut it..:)
BTW should I add the keyboard and mouse movement? Or do you want to do it? I think that is the only thing we need for the camera class to be 100 now...and that would be perfect when the map editor is Alpha...wouldn't it? So we could actualy walk around no matter if it takes 100sec to draw a frame or not...the BSP is going to take agaes to make anyway..:)...just saw that Humus (the guy that got a job in the 3D department at ATI half a year ago) gave up to find a bug in his BSP tree...I am sooooo not looking forward to this..:D
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Originally Posted by Phill64
Nice...I patted your back for it...:)
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actually one mistake at the top left there, i forgot to 'bend' the wall, so ull have a paper thin wall there if you leave it how it is :D
Not sure if I see what you talking about...hmmm
BTW wØØsy...sith a map like that..."So much for your back face culling"..:D
I think he meant this
I thought I would see what wossy and noteme were "advertising" in their sigs and this looks top notch for using .net.
Where is JR? Hes always diss'n .net and promoting DX :D
Is the game going to be where you hunt down your boss? :lol: :thumb:
Yes, that's what iwas talking about kfc :D
robdog.. if they take my suggestion of custom enemies on maps.. then yes!!
What a good idea. Customize your enemies. You can make them people you hate or your boss etc. :thumb: When do I get my guns for this game? :lol:
OK OK this thread has moved fast in the last 3 hours :D
1. The issue that Smitty raises in post 296...is not an issue, its perfectly OK to have paper-thin walls, as long as the cubes on each side know they have textures there. This is OK and the design already takes care of it (a happy side-effect of culling).
2. Note, I didn't mean that Class camera is mine, I just meant my version of it, where I actually made it work :lol:
There is still a bug with the aspect ratio (it stretches sideways when it should not).
The copy I have, has been alterered slightly and it draws almost correctly. I'll send you my stuff shortly. I'd be obliged if you could modify my versions please because the engine works so far. Do what you like to it but note the differences in the math where I altered it. There are known bugs when the camera coords are (0,0,0) and several other integer numbers. I think there is a div-zero somewhere.
You'll need to change the default startup project before you use it though.
Any questions email me or MSN or whatever.
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Rob, you're welcome to contribute if you have any ideas mate.
Phill, custom enemies are a possibility but i am only concerned with getting the map navigable at the moment. It will not be easy. its kicking my ass as it is. i am going to try Kleinma's dragdrop in a minute. after I email Note...
*busy busy busy*
I would sure like to help but I think you guys are better then me. Not sure if I would be a help to you?
I have Photoshop, Illustrator, Fireworks, and a few other lesser known graphics programs.
Fancy coming up with a few textures Rob?Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
do you guys have half-life2? you can probably get tons of textures in the HL2 SDK
we want this to be original. :)
Seeing how I am the avid gamer, what kinds of textures?
actually the paper walls was an issue i brought up.. which will be an issue during play.. only an issue with 1 part of the map i issued.. not a programmatic issue, a matter of moving a couple walls in that sketch.
I didn't mean to worry about custom enemies yet ;) just a neat idea for the future :D
you're right, this is a huge thread, i jumped in at like 4 pages, now its 8 :D
it was just the 2 of you at the start and now its half the forum, no lack of support here :D
Hey, we really appreciate the support here. We need people to just come and watch as well as actively participate. Its all good fun in the end whatever happens :D
I'd like to say thanks from both me and Note to everyone who has shown an interest so far, its only going to get better. We are approaching a significant plateau in the process...having a working, navigable game area.
It is a big thread, but its a great read too. Its well worth the time I think.
Now that note has the same version of C# as me (finally :D) we can really start to get things under control. Note's a bit of a legend roung these parts so we have a good base to work off. I'm brilliant too but that's only my humble opinion :D
Back to matters at hand:
Kleinma - I managed to twist your code to fit our needs. Nice one matey. I havent managed to wire up the texture allocators up to the grid yet, its just showing a preview for preview's sake. i'll need to send the dragdrop data deeper into the grid first and then refresh the previews from the selected Cube.
This reminds me, I need to start a list of contributors.
I won't post it online yet, its not fair to some ppl. I'll need everyone to 'sign in' at the end of the project. When the time comes, send me a PM to make sure I have remembered to include you in the credits, you'll need to drop me a hint (preferably with a URL link) because I'm stupid.
I hope this thread doesn't get so bit it starts to frighten people off. :eek:
Once again, thanks to all.
Especially note. :thumb:
(Screeny for kleinma...)
Oh, I have some textures at home of granite and marble. :lol: also, wood textures. Looking at the map editor looks like you want something like those? Different type of interior wall textures. Any for outside?
Nah. the cube on this side takes care of it. Its not a problem.
New Animated logo:
Also why do the halls have a grasy mold type texture on the ceilings?
Allot of these are good to use for so many things. There is an pink acid texture, water texture, stone and granite, wood. You name it. 380 textures for you Wossy. You asked, for it you got it, ;)
The only thing is the zip file is 5 MBs so I will attach it and when you get it I will remove it. :)
Damn, the limit for a attachment is 2 MBs! :(
I will post it in sections, 5 attachments per post.
Double damn, now it says 500kb limit for a .zip type. :mad:
I will have to upload them from home to my server tonight then. :(
Ok guys! Firstly you r doin a wonderful job here! I have seen many just come and talk and go home do nothin! But you guys r actually doing it and that is gr8! Currently its 4 am here so i am kind o sleepy! Will post some ideas 2 morrow!
Overall i think it might be better if u keep posting bits of codes and then compiled versions of the engine! Let them be messy and incomplete! People can learn from it like stepwise from this and secondly those who want to can be able to help u out! Keep up the gud work!
OK couldnt sleep! Now i just started reading the thread from the start! U guys r creating it in c#? Man but wy? Wy not c++ or something in which this engine can have some future and better hope?
Neways i dont know much about ur code but if u r using sine and cos functions than i think u better make look up tables! They are lot faster than calling the functions each time! In other words, we can generate a range of cosine and sine values for specific angles and store them in variables and later call them! This does increase the speed a lot!
Ok finally got some time to upload the versions I have at home. Only 310 textures though. :(
[Download removed by Me since Wossy got it]
Thanks for that, they say laughter is the best medicine :D. Your inestimable skillz may prove useful, but probably much later in the project.Quote:
Originally Posted by RapchikProgrammer
Nice one RD, I'll have a gander at these in a minute.
Thanks for explaining how look-up tables work, I'd often wondered ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RapchikProgrammer
We are not using trigonometry though. Read the thread again from the start, homie, and you'll find out why we are doing this in C#. :D
That is exactly why we are creating it in C# and .NET. To get rid of attitudes like that..;)...and also note. NO DX or OGL...all CPU calculated and rendered...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RapchikProgrammer
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Originally Posted by RapchikProgrammer
Thanks for the tip, but we have been out in a winter storm before..:) I have lookup tables in all my games and demos. But the most importent thing is that optimisation like that is supposed to go towards the end. No need to do it before you are 100% sure that the code will stay like that untill the end of the project. It breaks readability and you use to much time and energy on the wrong things, and end up never finishing anything..:)
I was just reading on the new pages that MS have made for DX on MSDN (Really good...really promissing) and I found this GDI+ documentation ++ page. And I poped into ColorMatrixEffect. Is that what you are using to make the paralellograms? It says:
WHy is it called something about "color" if it translates a bitmap? I am confused..:DQuote:
The ColorMatrixEffect class enables you to apply an affine transformation to a bitmap. Pass the address of a ColorMatrixEffect object to the Graphics::DrawImage method or to the Bitmap::ApplyEffect method. To specify the transformation, set the elements of a ColorMatrix structure, and pass the address of that structure to the SetParameters method of a ColorMatrixEffect object.
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Sorry, I am so tired of you asking everyone but me about textures..:D..I am so going to zip up my 600+ Mb of textures from back home and post them ALL here on the forum soon..:D...and BTW here is my bookmarks for free textures:
http://www.planetquake.com/berneyboy/textures.htm
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w...ture_resources
http://www.vb3d.com/Textures.html
http://www.mayang.com/textures/
http://www.noctua-graphics.de/english/freetex_e.htm
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/texture/
That should be a couple of Gigs of textures as well...:)
BTW next time, lets make an out-door terrrain engine..:) (Here is Norway for you):
http://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/lt.gifhttp://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/ft.gifhttp://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/rt.gifhttp://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/bk.gifhttp://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/up.gifhttp://www.scentednectar.com/skyboxes/006/dn.gif
I've not used that ColorMatrixEffect, for 2 reasons:
1. I never heard of it
2. I wrote the graphics in 2003 originally and I don't think its available in framework 1.1.
I need to put some time aside to look at the new features on 2.0.
So I'll investigate this tonight and see if it does do perspective like we need.