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I know that the subject is difficult, but it is not the same to do something because you have fear (that it is an emotion) than if you do something because you understand it is convenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
If you do something because you believe it is the best to do, there is no fear.
To fear in a case like that, is not the best.
No after two years in the pandemic. You had already time to make it rational and not in fear.
How's the spread of Covid in your country these past few days? We've had relatively low no. of new infections for weeks now. I am not sure if Omicron is something to be concerned of, there is at least 3 Omicron cases here so far.
Here it is rising now, I believe it is Delta.
I'm not sure people are keeping up on this. Delta is rapidly being replaced here by Omicron.
https://public.tableau.com/views/Var...viz_share_link
No surprise, just as with previous variants it correllates 100% with UK air travel.
OANN is for lightweights, QAnon is where you find the truth.
:mad: In 2017 Fauci said "The will be a surprise outbreak".Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
Similar to Gates.
Or they are prophets, or they knew already.
Or may be they have a time machine. There are several possibilities.
Which one makes more sense?
If it was I'd watch a hell of a lot more of it. My you Tube is basically wall to wall kittens and puppies.Quote:
That's why news isn't just about puppies
One America News is not a news channel, it's an opinion channel and the opinions are deep, dark crazy. That's not a good choice of source if you want to make your point. Incidentally, there are similar opinion channels on the Left and I don't find them any more palatable, though I can't think of any as extremely lopsided as OAN off the top of my head (though I wouldn't deny their existence either). There are, of course, plenty of perfectly credible news sources out there - but only if don't declare that everything that challenges the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy.
We've got doubling every 2 to 3 days - the rate is pretty staggering.Quote:
How's the spread of Covid in your country these past few days?
Thankfully, early indicators from South Africa are that hospitalisations are about 10% of Delta. If that holds true then services should be able to cope. I spoke to an epidemiologist friend of mine, though, who did add a few caveats. Basically, we're still in the lag so it's only really data from SA that we can relay on and their hospitalisation rates could be low for two reasons. 1. They have a young demographic with better natural immunity and 2. they had a very bad delta spike recently and that could have built up a well of immunity in the community. His take was basically, it's looking good and we can afford to be optimistic but we won't truly understand the situation for a week or two yet.
On a tangential note, I'm reversing my previous position on Boris's Teflon properties. After the North Shropshire by election he's going to be facing a leadership contest before the spring. The Tories eat the wounded.
https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/h...%20Dossier.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
If they were sensible enough to have orchestrated a world wide epidemic I doubt they would have been stupid enough to then announce it publicly beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
its a human weakness.
some people love to boost, to show off, they are bad at shutting their mouth.
not everybody have discipline.
Fauci have been doing this for more than 30 years, and he have been part of the "research" to weaponize corona virus in the 90's.
he like to shine, to feel that he has achieved something in his life, its a human thing.
that we can see in many people, but not all. those that are in the dark, behind the curtains, those are the one to be scared of.
Fact checking Dr David Martin. Didn't require much effort. He's not a medical doctor, by the way. He's a financial analyst and self help guru.
You know how you keep insinuating that people are profiteering off of Covid? Well that's Dr David Martin.
I'm beginning to regret that you left the EU.
We are having so much fun lately :D
Ha, we're all beginning to regret that too:rolleyes:
if you are only listening to one side, how can you know that your side is not lying to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I always have a critical approach, but that doesn't mean I will discard controversy.
reading Dr Martin PDF (that I shared up there) u should read it with open mind, it could be BS, it could be all manipulation, it could be that only parts are true, other exaggerated or whatever. even so, if we always say "its another conspiracy" it will just give the people in power a lot easier to get away with **** they do.
but the same could be said to everything else. to what the president is saying, a scientist, a news channel, a documentary.
who knows how much is truth and how much is manipulation.
when you stop to have a critical mind to the "side" you "think" you belong, is also when you stop trying. you let it go.
you think this is a "us vs you" thing? no, its about yourself and your own belief, to not close yourself to what the other side is saying.
when you say "this is another BS", you also close your own growth.
people think they know everything and they base facts on the narrative they get from media or from rumors from people around them, this without any critical approach.
you should always see in yourself, and evaluate your own thoughts and belief. that doesn't mean you will reach the truth, but it will at least make you a seeker of the truth and not the protector of someone else lie or agenda.
He has no medical training. He's been profiting by undermining medical science to sell his unproven self help therapies and his You Tube channel. He's been debunked by the scientific community. You can continue to accept what he's saying if you like but I don't think that demonstrates critical thinking.
its not about accepting. u don't read and want to understand. thats a typical one-sided thinking.
but, Im not deluding myself. thats what the government wants, people blindly believing in their lies.
its like you think they are not moving a finger when they see someone trying to ruin them.
they are transparent, let you see all the documents, they reveal all information so that you know exactly whats going on.
while you keep defending them......
I'm not defending anybody.
I am pointing out that the sources you've chosen to cite are clearly flawed, and it's clear why. Just as Eduardo is, you're starting with you're conclusion and looking for evidence to support it. You wanted to conclude that Dr Fauci is a fraud so you went looking for a scientist who would state that Dr Fauci is a fraud. What you missed was that the scientist you found wasn't even a scientist, that they've debunked by the scientific community and that they have a clear profit motive for spreading miss-information. You could have found all of this for yourself via a 10 minute google search but you didn't bother to undertake even that low bar of rigour.
Edit> Now lets address the Von del Lyons. As you pointed out, Ursula Von De Lyon does have a conflict of interest. This is not unusual, it crops up in politics all the time. This would only be insidious if she didn't declare that conflict of interest, which she did. Now, you can possibly argue that that conflict of interest is so large that it makes her unable to carry out her job. Or you could argue that she has exploited that conflict of interest to enrich herself at the expense of her office and those she serves. You have not made either case.
Who knows, I admit that this is a point (and I have thought about it), but some people feel very unpunished.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
They didn't say "we are going to free a new hazardous virus that we are working on now", they just said "there will be an epidemic".
It is the same that they are saying right now: that there will be other pandemics, like giving the idea of in the near future.
The same for Event 201.
I thought: they can't be so stupid. But, who knows, nothing happened to them so far.
Does it need someone to be "insinuating" that?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
It is like insinuating that Facebook is profiting from advertising. Or that MS is profiting from software.
And being "debunked" by a paid group (to say what the are paid to say) is something good or bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
The scientific community is not now what it used to be, or supposed to be.
PS: I have not idea about who is Dr David Martin.
I'm thinking we have reached a new "acceptable level of death" related to this. When I say "we" I'm referring to the people that have downplayed it from the beginning, refuse to mask, and refuse to vaccinate. I think they are just fine we the death rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I'm thinking we have reached a new "acceptable level of death" related to this. When I say "we" I'm referring to the people that have downplayed it from the beginning, refuse to mask, and refuse to vaccinate. I think they are just fine with the death rate where it is at.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
So???? Scientist in these fields have been warning us of this for many many years. And COVID isn't the first to prove them correct. Gates has been working within this community to help fight the spread of disease also for many many years.Quote:
They didn't say "we are going to free a new hazardous virus that we are working on now", they just said "there will be an epidemic".
But somehow because there's a quote from them saying "there will be an epidemic" it has some sinister meaning.
There's a big difference between, profiting and profiteering. All companies goal is to make a profit.Quote:
It is like insinuating that Facebook is profiting from advertising. Or that MS is profiting from software.
I think you might be a perfect example of why you shouldn't listen to people who are known frauds. You might like what they're saying and find a way to convince yourself it's true and then start finding a way to justify ignoring the actual qualified experts.Quote:
its not about accepting. u don't read and want to understand. thats a typical one-sided thinking.
What the difference in the science community now from what it use to be. What knowledge or experience do you have to make this claim. I hope it's more than one article about 20 scientist that supposable got paid to sign a letter. I've never heard about it and don't know if it's true. Even if it is true, I wouldn't say that's enough to condemn the whole community. I'd say scientist getting paid to claim something has been happening for a long time. Luckily there plenty of other scientist willing to call out the lies.Quote:
And being "debunked" by a paid group (to say what the are paid to say) is something good or bad?
The scientific community is not now what it used to be, or supposed to be.
I don't think it would cause me any great trouble....except for that bit about losing smell. I'm not saying that I smell great now....ehhh, I'll just leave that there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Anyways, smell has a lot to do with taste. Taste has a lot to do with enjoying food. I enjoy food. Losing smell would make my life worse. That is a concern. Other than that, I got vaccinated for the people around me. I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about them. I don't want to be part of the problem.
If you go back through history, you will likely find somebody saying the same thing at least as far back as the 80s. You might not find that kind of stuff from before the 60s or 70s, but you'll certainly find it back until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
Pandemics are inevitable, and they have always happened. Because we have only been looking for zoonoses for a relatively short amount of time, it is virtually guaranteed that ANY outbreak will be a 'surprise outbreak'. Epidemiologists have been fretting about each zoonotic episode as being 'the big one' since at least the 90s (probably earlier, I just might not have been paying much attention to that in the 80s...and I really wasn't in the 70s).
When you predict a likely event to happen, eventually you will be right. Whenever the stock market drops, there's somebody crowing about how they predicted it. My response has always been, "yeah, how about all the OTHER predictions you made?"
Glad you said it twice. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
It feels to me like the "we" group is starting to include a lot of people that have stopped fighting. They wear their mask, get vaccinated but have given up on fighting the people that don't. That group would include me. My stance now is, people by now have made their choice and nothing is going to change their decision. It's a convenient way to think. But it's still hard for me to ignore all the deaths that could be avoided.
I can't argue with believers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
Weighing different positions objectively does not mean that you give equal weight to every point of view. Doing so would be insane. If I were to tell you that 1+1 = 1, you shouldn't weight that the same as somebody who tells you that 1+1 = 2. In that case, you might take the time to conduct your own experiment to decide whether I am right or wrong. You can't always conduct experiments, though. In those cases, you need to consider the evidence behind each claim. Can you evaluate the evidence behind each claim? Well, you can't evaluate the evidence behind MY claim, because I haven't given any. You might have to do a bit of research to evaluate the evidence behind the competing claim (that the answer is 2), and you might find that evidence quite compelling. If you then decide that the answer really IS 2, then what do you make of me saying that it is 1?
If you are keeping an open mind, then do you say, when asked what 1+1 equals, that you don't know? Or do you weight the evidence that you found, which is substantial, more highly than the fact that there is a second answer, and therefore say that the answer is 2? Or do you say, "the experts all say that the answer is 2, but here's this other answer saying that it is 1...and I don't trust the experts, so I'll say it is 1"?
None of those paths are best, but some of them are pretty nearly insane.
Yeap, because most probably things like that were already happening at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
And before the 80's too.
Now it takes another level because of the technology.
Like everything, it could be used for good, or for bad.
And bad people use anything (technology or whatever) for bad. That how the world has always worked.
Pandemics are rare events, read history.Quote:
Pandemics are inevitable
And less, if the technology was used to prevent them instead of to produce them.
You can predict that a big asteroid will crash to the Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
If you wait millions years you will be right, almost for sure.
The thing is to "predict" something today, and that it happens in three years.
That's being lucky... too lucky.
But of course, that why I think that it is more plausible that these kind of people (the same kind that for profiting with what they sell, leave dying millions of people saying that Ivermectin does not work when it does) are doing it for some purpose and not that they just were "lucky".
And it wasn't one, but several ones of them that were announcing a pandemic in later years.
Being pandemics rare events in history, they must form a club of prophets.
They only can do what they are doing because people is too credulous.
I can't understand that, but that's the way it works obviously.
Since it seems we already started going in circles, and I can't grab new ideas or something to reason to try to go further in my thinking, I think I'll go out of the thread for now.
What we talked in later days I think was useful for me.
My symptoms were fever, light sensitivity and joint pains. The entire ordeal lasted only 3 days and I recovered using normal everyday household non-prescription medication. I didn't even know it was Covid until long after I recovered. I though it was just some mild flu or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Going in circles is what we do best here :cool:
Shaggy did not specify, so get your correction now! 1+1 = 10 . :wave:
what I dont understand is how people believe in the government.
when in time, and in history the government was working for the benefit of the working man?
it has always been for the elite, for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
not even in the early days of industrial age it was about the working man, it was how to control him so he will not move away.
we need labor, and now they emigrate. how to stop it?
well, by creating something called "nationalism" and by introducing school for everybody, not to teach them to be intelligent or because they where generous, but to be able at early age indoctrinate the children so they learn how to behave and be part of the "nation".
all this "nationalism" is part to control people.
globalization, individuality, freedom are things that was "promised" to the working man to keep him in place.
now, they see that its not good anymore, theres no money to keep up with the carrot. something need to be done. and this is what.
maybe hard to see, maybe not clear at the moment, but thats the agenda.
virus? terrorism? war? it doesn't matter, what matters are to control people and make them do what is beneficial for the elite families and groups. and they use whatever means.
Nope. Pandemics that impact the whole world are rare. Pandemics with a large death toll are rare. Pandemics are not rare. We've already had a couple this century, and we're only a few decades into it. You just aren't counting the ones that haven't touched you. Ebola counted. SARS COV-1 counted. The first was terribly contagious, but far TOO lethal. You died before you had a chance to spread it far and wide, so it remained pretty well contained. People were totally freaked out by it, too, which helped keep it contained. SARS was easy to contain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
What technology is that? We have antibiotics, which work against bacteria. We have no truly effective antivirals that come anywhere close to filling the role that antibiotics do, but for viruses. We have vaccines. They are here, and people fear them. They also don't work if taken after you are already sick (the way antibiotics do) We have masks, which are useless unless worn...and we won't wear them. Lastly, we have snake oil. We've ALWAYS had snake oil. It doesn't work, but we keep on taking it.Quote:
And less, if the technology was used to prevent them instead of to produce them.
As for the technology causing them...yeah, right. That's paranoia. Even if you feel that we did create the virus, the technology didn't exist 20 years ago, let alone in the 80s or 90s. These days, it's relatively cheap to sequence your entire DNA. We got the blueprint for COVID in short order. Back around 2000, it was a herculean task to sequence a single genome. In the 90s, it was only a dream.
No, it really isn't. For one thing, it isn't a rare event. It's like predicting the stock market will fall by 1000 points in a day. Yeah, that rarely happens. It HAS happened, though. I think it has happened a couple times this century. So, if I were to say that the DOW is going to drop 1000 points in a day at some point in the future. That's not much of a prediction. Of course it will come true. If I pick a day three years out and say it will happen on that day, then sure, that would be pretty improbable. But to say that it will drop by 1000 points, that's nothing. Frankly, I think that will happen next summer. If I'm right, that doesn't mean that I caused it. Better yet, nobody would believe that I caused it, but some people would believe that I have some kind of 'gift'. It's only slightly improbable to say that there will be a one day 1000 point drop in the next year. It's not at all improbable if I say that there will be a 1000 point drop.Quote:
You can predict that a big asteroid will crash to the Earth.
If you wait millions years you will be right, almost for sure.
The thing is to "predict" something today, and that it happens in three years.
That's being lucky... too lucky.
There are people predicting that we will be hit by asteroids all the time. The difference here is that you went looking for people who made the prediction AFTER the event happened, and then noted the correlation. At that point, the probability that the event would happen has become 1.
Every epidemiologist has been banging that drum for as long as I have been aware of epidemiologists. Before that, people were predicting it based on overpopulation. Surprise! What the 'experts' were predicting actually happened...and as a reward: The lunatics have decided that they CAUSED it.Quote:
And it wasn't one, but several ones of them that were announcing a pandemic in later years.
Being pandemics rare events in history, they must form a club of prophets.
I wonder if early astronomers who predicted solar eclipses were ever condemned by the masses for causing the sun to go dark. Some HAVE been executed for getting it wrong, I just wonder if any have been condemned for getting it right?
I'm typically all in favor of every little bit helps but I don't see the value in this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ing-hospitals/Quote:
The Biden administration will start delivering a half-billion free rapid tests to homes next month, according to the statement, and health officials will set up a website where Americans can order them. New federal testing sites will also be established across the country, starting with one in New York City this week.
I just see it as a novelty and a waste of money. Maybe use it one time before seeing Grand Ma? It seems without a constant supply this is futile. Maybe like free, nothing is really free, tests at all major pharmacies.
Edit:
I should have read closer...after the initial mailing there is a website. I need to dig a little deeper.
Different times, different people, different locations, different results...Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
-tg
I went for a walk and got speculating. I mentioned that the ability to create a virus like this didn't exist in the 90s, but I got wondering what it would cost these days, especially if you were willing to do it poorly and without any safety protocols. I'm not going to look it up, but from what I've seen with hardware prices for some of the sequencers, I would guess that it might cost less than the value of my house to put together the hardware to do the job. After that, it would take time doing research to figure out a good starting point.
Now, to be clear, I'm not thinking of doing anything like that. But it seems to me that somebody might be. The point is, you don't need to be a billionaire. You need to be really smart, but if you've got the brains, it might be small money, these days.
That's a common misperception. The rich don't care. They're rich. The powerful care, if the source of their power is political. But it tends to be the middle class in most countries. The poor have no power, the rich don't need to bother, but the middle class have both the means and the necessity to drive society. That group might also be thought of as "the merchant class" in many countries. In the US, the definition would have to be pretty broad.Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
Where money comes into the picture, in the US, is to sway the middle class one way or another. That is a remarkably weak lever. It's strong and capable, but it can be broken off with ease. One of the bigger, on-going, fights in the US is about keeping that lever functioning. Financial disclosure, or stronger campaign financing laws, would remove that lever or make it much harder to use. Instead, we have generally drifted in the opposite direction.
Darn you Sappy!! Here I was, setting up a perfectly good conundrum, and you go and mess with it. I went back and forth as to what answer I'd put in there. I started with 481, then I went to 1, then to 11, and finally back to 1. Each of those answers has a case to be made for it, but 10???? I'm not even sure what case there is to be made for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
You made a mockery of my mockery!
Could be binary for 2.Quote:
but 10???? I'm not even sure what case there is to be made for that one.
Yes, siree . Binary. :check:
As for creating a virus. The easiest might be a computer one. That is cheap to make would benefit in extortion, industrial espionage etc but you really cannot say that you created it by mistake and it got away. Well maybe but you can look at the source code more easily and without a doctors degree.
The medical virus as shown here requires a lab and funding so not just a kid can do so, also we have been ranting for 10 pages now if it was deliberate or not. Either way the medical companies got billion and will continue to get billions. If it was an accident then it was a very suspicious accident. I mean they create vaccines every year for flu , do they gain billions? Does the stock market sky rocket, do the government is pushing you to do it?
Other types of viruses are more dangerous but they tend to kill the host at a higher rate so they cannot spread that fast and for that long. If I where a conspiracy theorist and wanted to guess what was the best way to create a virus that will stay afloat and will bring some people billions, I couldn't have though it better. So was the fluecus funded? Most definitely. Was it intended to get away and do what it did? We can't be sure but as the Chinese that ate that darn lab bat said.... I'm Batman!!
Ah, binary. Yes, that makes sense. That would be a worthy addition to the hypothetical answers I provided.
As for creating a virus, I'm not sure that the cost is all that high. It's not CHEAP, but...I remember back in the early 2000s when my boss was looking for a PCR machine...and looked on Craig's List. Now, I'm not sure if that's an international thing, so it may be that not everybody knows what that is. The thing is, he found some.
What you'd need is a machine that strings together nucleotides in a predictable sequence. Those are probably in the tens of thousands of dollars range. You'd then need a means to get the resulting mRNA into something like an attenuated adenovirus. I don't know what that would cost, but I'd bet that the cost is lower than people think, these days. That's been an area where costs have been dropping and capabilities increasing...kind of like computers, but with a smaller market.
As for making money. You are probably aware that the mRNA vaccines were being created to target cancer. The tech had already been worked out, so when COVID came along, they just had to swap the payload. Without all that preliminary work, the mRNA vaccines wouldn't have been ready, even now. The adenovirus ones would have, but not the mRNA vaccines.
However, when it comes to making money, COVID is small potatoes. If you want to really scare people, how about cancer? Does anyone take that lightly? I don't personally know anybody who died of COVID, but my mother died of cancer, I have a few friends who have had it, and my father may have had it. All of us will get it eventually if we don't manage to die of something else, first.
Better still, you could create different vaccines for different cancers. Sure, COVID could have booster shots. Perhaps you might be able to sell a bunch each year, but with cancers, you have the potential to sell dozens to each person.
The only thing COVID did for the mRNA vaccines is provide a first use case. It's just mRNA. It's essentially a code that you string together and put in a ball of fatty acids. You can code for whatever you want to guard against, so long as you can figure out something worth attacking. It's a money machine. You don't NEED to manufacture anything to prime THAT pump. It's primed. It's ready to go.
Yet with what you said about the virus you need a lot of money and a lot of knowledge. I could make a computer virus tomorrow with just the cost of my PC (ban alert!).
Also I stand by my opinion that, that type of virus was ideal for money making.I don't take in consideration MR.nay, it could just be a vaccine combined with something else, like the dead virus, people don't do it for MR.Nay, they do it because they are told that it's good for them. You can't possibly compere to cancer with possible 99.99% mortality rates to a fluecus and you are forgetting one thing, if the vaccine does come out, they could not possibly withhold the recipe, it's not a simple flue thing, you don't just have cancer and go to bed with a cup or orange juice. Also if I was a conspirator I would say that maybe millions of deals and jobs, vaccine tests, machinery, chemo, hospital wings, donations, rounding around cancer treatment would be lost in a snap of the fingers if a cure was found. You must believe that cancer would be caught again and again in mutations in order for the vaccine circle to keep on going, else less and less will cancerize. It's one shot per people or I don't know, multiple shots but a flu can get to billions of people per year. We already have 3 doses of the vaccine and we are talking about the 4th and another 3 for omega and one or two every year after.
Having said that I wish a cancer vaccine would be found but I asked you again. Do Mr,Nay vaccines cure cancer right now? I did not get an answer and as this is a delicate subject I should leave that as it may.
Ok children, gather round. It's time for me to come clean.
I've been testing you to discover those of you on the enlightened path of the real truth, and those of you who are sheep. You have all failed, but some more than others. I will say though that I have been pleasantly surpised by a few of you - you know who you are.
Before I get ahead of myself, let's take a look back.
In 2019, China (henceforth "C") hosted the Military World Games in Wuhan (henceforth MWG). No big deal, right? Beyond wrong. I mean absolutely deathly wrong. At MWG, C delivered an early version of the novel Coronavirus (henceforth C-Virus) via a simple aerosol spray. Sound familiar? Delivery was much in line with the fairly recent Novichok poisonings in the UK that were perpetrated by Russia (henceforth "R").
The hilarious part is that C played the USA like a fiddle by getting them to fund the very Gain of Function (henceforth GOF) research that would eventually be used directly against them. Fauci puts on a brave face in public, but I assure you that in private he is in shambles.
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The smartest among you have already thought "why would C do this against their own military?" Simple. C had an antidote "in the bank" for the modified virus *before* they deployed it. You only need to look at C's C-Virus death totals for this to become clear. C is categorically NOT under-reporting as most people believe.
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Do your own research and compare the above chart with anywhere else in the world.
Believe it or not, it gets worse. In tandem with the virus, C has also been involved in a multi-year disinformation campaign against the USA.
In late 2017, Tencent (a C mega-corporation) invested in Spotify as part of a "strategic collaboration". Only two years later Spotify bought Joe Rogan's podcast and moved it to their platform. This was at the behest of C/Tencent, taking a page out of R's playbook on how to defeat a more militarily powerful nation through programming the population. That is, brainwashing them. I hope I'm not wasting your time by telling you something you already know, but this strategy was eloquently decribed to the West by KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov back in 1984. The goal - whether employed by R, C, or anyone else - is to break a once unified society into separate polarized tribes. These tribes will reject facts in favour of the narratives that fit their now programmed reality. This is how media personalities like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, etc... have become weaponized. Feminists versus the Manosphere, BLM versus Proud Boys versus Antifa, Transexuals versus "CIS" Gendered men and women. Eventually everyone in the West will become radicalized and siloed, and in fact it has already happened to most of you. Once the tipping point is reached, there will be no way back. I hope that the point of no return hasn't been crossed already.
The chilling effects of this onslaught keep me up at night. C is a key player in R's Primakov Doctrine - an attempt to prevent a uni-polar world led by the USA in favour of a multi-polar one with R & C being the primary players. Once multi-polarity has been achieved, the playing field will be levelled and countries like R and C will be able to eventually tilt the balance in their favour without costly military actions. Has the penny dropped yet?
Now before I go, I want to quickly address those of you going on and on about Big pharma (BP). Where did you park the DeLorean? BP hasn't been the major concern in more than a decade. BP is peanuts in all of this. They're working with billions while the R&C's oligarchs and dictators are working with trillions. They're worried about the next quarter while R&C are plotting out the next century.
Now listen - I'm not a fan of big pharma or the billionaires invested in the industry, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Right now BP is the only thing keeping the C-virus at bay. Much like the Varicella Zoster virus or Herpes Simplex and other alphaherpesviruses, naturally acquired C-Virus is never completely cleared from your body. It will find a nice wet and warm home somewhere in your meat-space and sit dormant, waiting to be reactivated. What will reactivate it? The exact mechanism isn't yet clear, but there is almost no doubt that it has something to do with 5G cellular networks that have been deployed worldwide by C-based corporation Huawei. There's been a hullabaloo in the Western media about Huawei's 5G network plans, and now you know why! My hunch is that a specially crafted signal will be broadcast from every C controlled 5G tower simulataneously, kicking off a harmonic oscillation in the dormant C-Virus that will refold targeted proteins, awakening it in a new and unbelievably deadly form.
Let me be crystal clear: if you are unvaccinated and you get infected by C-Virus, you are guaranteed to die a horrible death. That is unless C's plan to activate the latent virus can be thwarted by other means. As much as I despise this fact, the seemingly never-ending cycle of BP's vaccines and boosters are the only realistic defence against a unfathomably larger and deadlier foe.
Stay safe out there, and good luck my friends. Don't say I didn't warn you!
Wow. I never thought I'd ever see this phrase uttered in a extremely "left leaning" community like VBForums.Quote:
Originally Posted by jpbro
Supposedly, the vaccine is free here in the US.
I got my 1st 2 doses for free in a drive-through mass clinic run by my county. A little while back I got a 3rd dose during a doctor appointment, and assume it would also be free.
But I got a statement the other day, and they billed Medicare $50 for it. Medicare paid something like $36 of that and denied the rest... but that's sort of how Medicare billing "works."
Oddly my medical provider has sent me a bill for $20 without saying what it is for. I'll have to check their web site to see if it offers any more detail on that.
Every so often I'll get a bill like that, pay it, then get a check in the mail refunding it. The system is a bit of a mess with inefficiencies everywhere.
...so you're saying that He-Man was middle class...Quote:
That's a common misperception. The rich don't care. They're rich. The powerful care, if the source of their power is political. But it tends to be the middle class in most countries. The poor have no power, the rich don't need to bother, but the middle class have both the means and the necessity to drive society. That group might also be thought of as "the merchant class" in many countries. In the US, the definition would have to be pretty broad.
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Originally Posted by jpbro
I stopped reading after this:
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I've been testing you to discover those of you on the enlightened path of the real truth, and those of you who are sheep. You have all failed, but some more than others. I will say though that I have been pleasantly surpised by a few of you - you know who you are.
If you think stuff like that is helping... it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by jpbro
The whole "put them all into a conspiracy-box"-thing is quite the "honeypot",
because it's so utterly convenient to apply, isn't it?
When you hear it long enough, it'll bring even educated people to a point, where they:
- start "throwing out the baby with the bathwater"
- or "shoot the messenger outright - on sight"
Problem is, when you act this way (dismissing people, who often enough dived "too deep into a rabbit-hole") -
you're missing out on the *valid* information-parts... which is exactly the goal of this scheme:
- to "taint valid information"
- leaving you only with the half-truths (or outright lies), which came over the "corporate-channels"
Olaf
Sheep or Lamp?
That doesn't really help either, because it "deepens the divide"Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
(and thus you're doing exactly as you're supposed to).
Sure, there's extremes on both ends but most people operate on a grey-scale.
If we'd cut each other some more slack - it'd keep us all more "healthy and somewhat more in the middle"
(which is probably where "the truly real truth"™ is located). ;)
Olaf
I wasn't trying to help, just having a bit of fun with a creative writing exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmidt
The thing is, it's how some people in this thread sound, though maybe not quite so extreme. Anyway, I think it's a communication problem for the messenger to solve, not the recipient. If the argument can't be delivered in a way that the recipient will be receptive to, then that's the messenger's failing. Calling people sheeple/vax-babies/zombies/whatever isn't exactly a great way to open a dialog with someone you're trying to get to understand your new and potential subversive (to their worldview) ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmidt
I don't think I've been dismissing anyone, like I said that post was just a bit of fun. Some of the links lead to pretty interesting stuff, and not all of it is false. I just wanted to take a holistic look at some scattered info, and run a bit too far in the opposite direction with it. Now that I think of it, that can be a good way to try to get to understand an opposing view, everyone with a strong opinion on one side or another should try it some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmidt
I also don't get much of my information from "corporate-channels". I don't have cable, don't watch TV news (except when I'm at the dentist or something). I browse the headlines of some corporate newspapers to make sure I'm not missing out on anything immediately life threatening, but I get most of my (mis)information in other ways and try to cobble it all together into a bigger picture myself. Just like you I think, but we've come to some different conclusions. And that's OK ;)
Then you missed all the fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Some tests are better to fail. Some clubs are better to be left out of.
Still, at a higher level view, I do think that C and R would love to end up in a different world. Of course, so did the USA. We have an unfortunate tendency to coast, though. The US never does well without an opponent.
maybe fun for u.
it sounded more condescending.
It was just a story baka, please don't let it hurt your feelings.
Anyway, I don't think there's any convincing or mind changing left to be had. Even if the unvaccinated could convince the vaccinated to change their minds, it's too late - you can't de-vaccinate yourself. The pro vaccine camp has very little chance to change an unvaccinated person's mind at this late stage I would reckon. So life goes on, and we'll see where it gets us. I was being sincere about this part though: "Stay safe out there, and good luck" I hope we all make it through to the other side of this thing. Hooray for another Christmas in lockdown! Oh wait, they're calling it a "circuit-breaker" now, that's bit more palatable than a lockdown ;)
From the outside it often looks like you guys are your own biggest opponent these days (D vs. R though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker