Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

You may have a point there. I've been enjoying it, mostly, but it probably isn't good for us to be staying away from each other quite so much. I'm somebody who would go walking for six months, but eventually, you do get lonely. Other people probably suffer more. It's not a lockdown, in our case, though. My office was told to work from home for a time, but when they told us to come back...we pretty much just didn't. I show up every now and then (once or twice a month, really), but since nobody I work with shows up, what's the point? We appear to have just settled into a very absent pattern of behavior.

Yep.
That does not strike as "normal" to me....But, I had a walk today, as tomorrow almost nobody is working due to our national liberty day and there where a LOT of people out, mostly outside of the bars and such as the weather allows it and, well, the vax BS. So I believe we might be returning to normal...And now the bad news. They might not want that and we get a lockdown. Will see in a month.

P.S. I'm on a half days of the month at the office schedule for now but I get 80-85% of my salary so that is OK. Do I want to go full 100% for now...Nop but I won't stay inside at my spare time. It won't be every day out of course as the summer but I can do stuff out of the house.

Summer? Is it still warm over there? Today will be somewhat warm here. I'll be out without a jacket this afternoon, but it wasn't so warm for the last several days, and it will be cooling down again tomorrow. The leaves are all changed, and most have fallen, though that depends largely on the tree.

It's around 18 degrees so could not exactly say it's warm but it's tolerable with a slim jacket. Next week will be around 20 degrees but that is typical for Greece. Normally the cold start after mid November.

Got my 3rd dose of Pfizer yesterday. Muscle soreness at the injection site as expected, maybe felt some abdominal weirdness last night but there was also some pre-doctor visit fasting and weird food choices after. Today feeling a little run down, took a long nap.

But generally no big deal and very similar to the earlier doses.

Why? 2dose Vaccines protected you 95% remember?
OK let's drop the act here, in Greece we are on a total lockdown of the unvaccinated with rapid tests to go to your job or get to a store every 3 days and the vaxbies can run free. The result? Twice the covid cases than the exact same period last year.
There is no need for super tests , hyper researches and so on, it's common logic. Unless non vaxbies we can transmit covid through the phone then vaxbies are doing all the work. If you can't understand that then fine, do your forth fifth sixth seventh dose like a junkie. And I'm talking in general not to good ol' dil.
Funny, if we will go to lockdown due to this they will still blame the unvaccinated but, yeah, no one bites anymore. Also we are going through 65-70% vaccinated so now what happens happens from the majority.

What alternative are you proposing? No vaccination certainly doesn't protect you. Getting COVID doesn't protect you any better than a vaccine. So, what are you proposing?

As for getting extra doses, we already do for some vaccines. Some of the nastier ones, like tetanus, requires booster shots. Flu vaccines always do, they just aren't as effective as COVID vaccines because there are a few different influenza viruses in circulation at any time, and the vaccines don't work equally against them all. The same may be the case for COVID, eventually.

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What alternative are you proposing? No vaccination certainly doesn't protect you. Getting COVID doesn't protect you any better than a vaccine. So, what are you proposing?

As for getting extra doses, we already do for some vaccines. Some of the nastier ones, like tetanus, requires booster shots. Flu vaccines always do, they just aren't as effective as COVID vaccines because there are a few different influenza viruses in circulation at any time, and the vaccines don't work equally against them all. The same may be the case for COVID, eventually.

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When I was around twelve years old I had to get the rabies vaccine. There were sick and dying bats in the bushes and me and my cousins were playing with them. A neighbor froze one and called the health department and it tested positive for rabies. MY parents followed the doctors recommendation we got the shots as a preventative measure. It was a series of fourteen shots in the abdomen, one a day for fourteen days. They do it that way because the shot is so irritating.

Flu every 4-6 months? Hmm.
I'm under the impression that flu vaccines are done yearly, once. How are they not more effective to covid that you already are on the 3rd dose in less than 2 years?

I don't propose anything, I just listen to the doctors, not the media ones.
Vaccination should be done to higher 65+ ages and in people with immune issues. Anything else is a waste of ape tissue.And of course NOT pushing people to do it by depriving them from their rights.
Even so they will get infected just fine as I mentioned before. I don't think there is a chance that someone will not get covid in the future, will probably be the endemic one so might as will have or had it and did not understand it was covid. So by saying that. How many of you are vaccinated the previous years for flu? If you haven't then it hypocritical to vaccinate now for covid. If you had then I can't say anything just continue your schedule.

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You are in a world of you own...In the US we are doing our best to counter act people pushing misinformation like that. It is literally killing people.

What misinformation? You are on a world of your own if you say that vax should be done to lower ages. In Greece we are doing our best to fork media doctors spreading this kind of info. It's literally stup people.

Have you done the flu vax the previous years?

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In the US alone @ 180,000 people under the age of 65 have died from COVID. How many have to die before you stop thinking it's a waste of time for people under 65yrs to get vaccinated?

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Flu every 4-6 months? Hmm.
I'm under the impression that flu vaccines are done yearly, once. How are they not more effective to covid that you already are on the 3rd dose in less than 2 years?

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We're not, technically. They only allow boosters for people over a certain age and those with compromised immune systems. I can't get one, yet, and may not be able to at all. Whether or not boosters will be allowed for those not in those high risk categories is unclear at this time.

Flu shots are once a year, totally optional, and only somewhat effective. Of course, flu kills far fewer people than COVID has. It only kills a few tens of thousands each year.

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The problem is that you define 'the media ones' as those that don't say what you want to hear.

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How many of you are vaccinated the previous years for flu? If you haven't then it hypocritical to vaccinate now for covid. If you had then I can't say anything just continue your schedule.

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That's not true, though I did get a flu shot last year, and have already this year. My chances of suffering any ill effect from flu is essentially zero. My chance of suffering ill effect from COVID is very high. My chance of dying from COVID is less than 1%, but the odds of significant negative consequences from COVID is very high. Losing the sense of smell is pretty common, and smell is a big part of tasting food...I LIKE food. You will probably get your sense of smell back, eventually, though that isn't entirely certain, and it can take months. That's enough of a reason, alone. One of the great joys of life being reduced to chomping away on salty cardboard? No thanks.

So, If you get vaccinated you don't die, not less chances, you just don't die. But be my guest anything to prove you right.
Also , I'm kinda through understanding what is going on in US, I would probably suggest vaccination from ages even below 16, or even below 2 years old just to be sure if that would make you feel better. :)

Yes it's true I don't listen to media doctors. You know what the latest trend is? They came up and said that vaccinated people can catch and spread covid too!!!!!!
Now! They said it last week! Should I listen to them, no thanks.

Again non vaxbies are locked here, now vaxbies are doing what ever they are doing here and we got double the numbers from last year. Is there any other explanation than the obvious? Mind you this is happening to very few countries so we are kinda of an experiment of our own and for better or for worse I'm right in the middle of it.


And taste. Oh come on, you eat so many garbage over there it would do you a favor. :D

...Probably be off for a couple of days. The weather is so nice I may go for an excursion somewhere covid non free.

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That is false, ludicrous, and dangerous misinformation. In the US we just started vaccinating kids. It is known it will save lives.

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And you don't even know who your talking to. I ate straight Crisco one time (vegetable shortening, if that brand doesn't mean anything to you). Drank a bottle of corn oil, too.

Actually, the Crisco wasn't quite plain, it had some wood ashes and flecks of pancakes in it.

Still, you aren't totally an experiment, but the EU is beginning to resemble the US in that regard: Since each state in the US can do it's own thing for vaccinations, our states act like little experiments. The EU countries are starting to work the same way when it comes to COVID regulations.

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And you don't even know who your talking to. I ate straight Crisco one time (vegetable shortening, if that brand doesn't mean anything to you). Drank a bottle of corn oil, too.

Actually, the Crisco wasn't quite plain, it had some wood ashes and flecks of pancakes in it.

Still, you aren't totally an experiment, but the EU is beginning to resemble the US in that regard: Since each state in the US can do it's own thing for vaccinations, our states act like little experiments. The EU countries are starting to work the same way when it comes to COVID regulations.

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Why would you eat plain Crisco or drink vegetable oil?

That's a longer story. Basically, I had dropped 30% of my body weight on a very long hike, couldn't get to town to get more food, and clearly wasn't taking in enough calories to get through the day. I'd do fine for most of the day, then completely run out of energy in the last few miles. At that point, I couldn't climb even moderate hills without sitting down every dozen or two dozen steps. I knew I needed more calories, so when I found those items...they were delicious. At 120 calories per tablespoon, that Crisco supplement to each of my meals got me to the next town.

OMG! Bleahhhhh! Grose. The worst food I can eat an people around me complain is boiled cauliflower, vegetable fat in a spoon? I better vaccinate before that happens. But I haven't tasted it so the bleah is just for the thought, it may well taste like candy :sick:
So I'm in good mood the day was on 26 degrees I went for a few rides as from tomorrow we won't be able to go anywhere without a 48h rapid so, yeah I agree vaccinate everyone + cats and dogs.

You lost me, so I'll bite - What's the relevance?

Eating grease when enduring tough conditions?

Worst food I've ever eaten was in the army. I mean I like omelette, with sausage cheese bacon and ham (and my favorite, a little ketchup in the mix when frying) , I was eating one in the restaurant and I've noticed some white from the ceiling falling into the large omelette making pans...I continued eating seamlessly. Of course we where vaccinated for any possible health issue....What? :) .... Oh the same vaccines are commonly used for over 20-30 years in the army, sorry I just saw a glimpse there for a moment...
And to prevent any waste of clicking, army is not mandate to do the covid one at the moment. Back then you could refuse to vaccinate with your own responsibility but the sht we where eating, it would not be a wise choice, unless you phoned for orders from outside of the camp every day.

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OMG! Bleahhhhh! Grose. The worst food I can eat an people around me complain is boiled cauliflower, vegetable fat in a spoon? I better vaccinate before that happens. But I haven't tasted it so the bleah is just for the thought, it may well taste like candy :sick:

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It does not. In fact, it tastes about the way you are imagining it tastes. However, you probably have also heard that when you are starving, things that you wouldn't normally eat can taste great, and that is true of Crisco, as well.

To put it lightly, I was pretty much a physical wreck at that point. While I could put on a pack and walk all day up and down mountains (until I ran out of calories), I was otherwise a mess. I couldn't hold my arms over my head for more than a couple seconds before I got tired. I couldn't swim at all. If I squatted down, my legs weren't strong enough for me to stand back up without using my hands. And so on.

And I'd do it again, too. I'm even thinking about doing so. I'll be better prepared, though.

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Worst food I've ever eaten was in the army. I mean I like omelette, with sausage cheese bacon and ham (and my favorite, a little ketchup in the mix when frying) , I was eating one in the restaurant and I've noticed some white from the ceiling falling into the large omelette making pans...I continued eating seamlessly. Of course we where vaccinated for any possible health issue....What? :) .... Oh the same vaccines are commonly used for over 20-30 years in the army, sorry I just saw a glimpse there for a moment...
And to prevent any waste of clicking, army is not mandate to do the covid one at the moment. Back then you could refuse to vaccinate with your own responsibility but the sht we where eating, it would not be a wise choice, unless you phoned for orders from outside of the camp every day.

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The US army is requiring the COVID vaccine along with the others that are probably similar to the ones you've had. If this new malaria vaccine works, you can expect that one to be added right away, too.

Still, anything that falls from the ceiling, depending on the age of the building, is not something you can vaccinate against. If the building was the right age, that white will be lead. You can tolerate a small amount of that, especially at army age. It might also have included asbestos, in which case you may still have it with you.

Well I did not say that I was eating asbestos every day as from a point forth we where either get food from delivery or I was away from the recruit center on remote outposts that the food was tolerable but yeah a little asbestos was eaten, yum yum! After a couple of month I was transferred from the recruit center so the food was tolerable either on the Island I where or after that back to the mainland that I was either getting home food or delivery.
When I first arrived at the recruit center there was an outburst of a flu that ripped the entire camp. I was in bed for 15 days as I was "lucky" enough to catch it first , the others that caught it returned to the chambers as there where not enough beds in the meds and infected everyone.I remember not been able to move for days had 40 degrees fever and pain all over my body n trouble breathing. When I finally returned to my chamber they told me that they though I was dead, been missing so long!

Did you hallucinate?

I caught something brief but intense while in college. At one point, I got into my sleeping bag in my bed, because I had such chills that being under the covers in a hot room just wasn't enough. Sometime after that, I discovered that the Transformers had a base in my sleeping bag, and were coming out to fight with the bad guys (I forget what they were called). I was hiding behind my pillow to avoid being shot by accident.

A few hours after that, once the fever had subsided, I decided that had probably not actually happened.

I don't think I did hallucinate but maybe it did not remember it.
It was the first days in the army so I really can't explain how bad of an experience it was been there and been sick. The first few weeks where probably the worst of my life, then everything settled. In general if you don't like the army and you are forced to go to the army, is a cruel adaptation.

Ted Cruz has a real issue with the Muppets "Big Bird" advocating vaccines:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-covid-vaccine

Hi should stick with Dr. Suess...Big Bird has been advocating for vaccines since 1972.

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I once did the teabag challenge... which is nowhere near as dirty as it might sound.

Anyway, I've been ill for the last week with a really horrible cough. I tested for covid and it was clean so at least it's not that but I reckon a year of isolation has left my immune system as weak as a kitten. This has absolutely levelled me. I'm going to need you all to send me spiritual chicken soup.

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It get's better than that. Wendy Rogers has accused Big Bird of being a communist:lol:

Teabag challenge.... Yes it sounds dirty, so you better explain.

...So there is another type of flu other than covid running around?Amazing... All in all hope you get well, you seem to catch every type of flu that circulate as a flu magnet. :lol:

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If it means getting rid of all these ghost chickens running around this place, I'm game. Had I known that they'd come back to haunt me....

However, if you kill a ghost chicken and make chicken soup out of it, do you get plagued by meta-ghosts, or do live chickens start haunting you?

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Teabag challenge.... Yes it sounds dirty, so you better explain.

...So there is another type of flu other than covid running around?Amazing... All in all hope you get well, you seem to catch every type of flu that circulate as a flu magnet. :lol:

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Just a friendly reminder, Covid is not another type of flu - it is completely different. I know you love to spread this kind of misinformation but it simply isn't true.

You are absolutely correct. Covid is a flue. ;)

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Isn't Covid a cousin to things like SARS, H1N1, bird flu etc? I though they were all coronaviruses.

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Isn't Covid a cousin to things like SARS, H1N1, bird flu etc? I though they were all coronaviruses.

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The virus that causes Covid is actually SARS-CoV-2 and is definitely a SARS virus, like bird flu etc. What we typically call flu however is not a SARS virus and is completely unrelated, apart from similar transmission vectors.

sapator however is deliberately and constantly trying to pass Covid off as just flu (however he seems to think calling it "flue" is somehow funny rather than a blatant attempt at misinformation) to justify his rampant anti-vax stance. Which seems reasonable, after all if a virus has caused (and is still causing) millions of deaths around the world then it is a matter to be joked about. Somehow he feels adding a single letter, and occasionally "forgetting" to even do that is humorous. Go figure.

It's also specified as a Fluecous, The big F and Fluexeteria.
It seems reasonable to be unreasonable rather than explaining again and again to stubborn minds. It's either that or presenting clues that you constantly disregard.
And if you want to present me as a source of misinformation , it's you personally that wrote a couple of pages ago that the vaccine immunity is much better than the natural immunity (Olaf participated at this if you recall) . I let that slide but if you gonna call me of about misinformation go to a mirror and make funny faces.
If you don't like what and how I write the flue, disregard, you attempted at least in 1 out of 2 answers to me to inform me of that , I get it, stop the stubbornness it ain't working on me.

I would also like to add something and I'll be off as I have to go out. We where talking about other things, army, food and instead of participating in the joy , you had to isolate one sentence out of 4 pages and provoke me (by safely add "friendly" as a safety feature) . So I don't get what you want to succeed. I mean you clearly are not biased against me as you helped me in some other topics but here you are ignoring every conversation than when I say the "F" word. Is there a point in this as I tend to just disregard that same all same all but I just thought I should answer on the last one just to help this settle down.

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I would also like to add something and I'll be off as I have to go out. We where talking about other things, army, food and instead of participating in the joy , you had to isolate one sentence out of 4 pages and provoke me (by safely add "friendly" as a safety feature) . So I don't get what you want to succeed. I mean you clearly are not biased against me as you helped me in some other topics but here you are ignoring every conversation than when I say the "F" word. Is there a point in this as I tend to just disregard that same all same all but I just thought I should answer on the last one just to help this settle down.

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If you can't even have the decency to refer to a virus that has killed millions and left millions more with long term health issues by the correct name then I am going to disregard your opinions on the matter as your utterly dismissive attitude and blatant attempt to confuse Covid with the flu virus speak volumes about how seriously you take the threat.

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If you can't even have the decency to refer to a virus that has killed millions and left millions more with long term health issues by the correct name then I am going to disregard your opinions on the matter as your utterly dismissive attitude and blatant attempt to confuse Covid with the flu virus speak volumes about how seriously you take the threat.

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I think the death toll would have to reach the billions before the childish jokes and the constant whining about the inconvenience would stop.

Well, if the death toll reached a bit less than 8 billion, then the whining about the inconvenience would certainly stop. At some point lower than that it would only change.

So by calling it the flue I'm mocking the millions of deaths? Not gonna happen.
But giving jokes that has nothing to do with mocking the deaths is disregarding them? Not gonna happen.
You choose to believe I'm mocking the deaths and that is your problem not mine.
I will continue to do what I do as
1)I have no disrespect for the dead. I lost a close relative some years ago to the flu
2)It's not again the forum regulations. It probably be against the bad jokes regulation...
3)Your general ignorance of the opposite side is also amusing so a joke for a joke.
4)You are not my mother :p

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Well, if the death toll reached a bit less than 8 billion, then the whining about the inconvenience would certainly stop. At some point lower than that it would only change.

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We had a governor recall election this year. A good friend was excited because he really dislikes the governor, the recall failed but my thought was if it had succeeded the only thing I would notice is their is a different group of people complaining. lol

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We had a governor recall election this year. A good friend was excited because he really dislikes the governor, the recall failed but my thought was if it had succeeded the only thing I would notice is their is a different group of people complaining. lol

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I like that...I'm going to use it :p

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We had a governor recall election this year. A good friend was excited because he really dislikes the governor, the recall failed but my thought was if it had succeeded the only thing I would notice is their is a different group of people complaining. lol

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That's a point that people tend to overlook. You only really notice changes when you get somebody so disasterous that things just fall apart suddenly. They never 'build up' suddenly, but falling apart is so much easier to do rapidly. As long as you get somebody committed to not taking the wheels off while in motion, the actual changes to direction they make is not going to be great.

https://youtu.be/zSsHRJfUe2Y

What was that song Spock sang back in that 1960s Star Trek episode?

Something about "Bitter Dregs?"

Got the booster, yesterday. I'll be visiting some folks over the next few weeks, and wanted to be as safe as I could be. The only impact was a slightly sore shoulder, but less so than the second dose. On the one hand, I do feel that a third dose in the developed world is not the right thing to do when so many don't have the vaccine at all, but on the other hand...it's already there. Once the decision was made to stock the doses, that ship has sailed.

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Got the booster, yesterday. I'll be visiting some folks over the next few weeks, and wanted to be as safe as I could be. The only impact was a slightly sore shoulder, but less so than the second dose. On the one hand, I do feel that a third dose in the developed world is not the right thing to do when so many don't have the vaccine at all, but on the other hand...it's already there. Once the decision was made to stock the doses, that ship has sailed.

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I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I didn't get a flu shot for years. Now I've had two Corvids and the booster. I got my flu shot about a week ago.

I thought the view of employers relieved to be able to treat vaccination as a legal "sorting hat" for offloading problem employees was interesting. Not necessarily the right thing or the best thing, but a real thing.

People worry about personal privacy without any idea how closely Ferenginoid "Hoo-Mann Resources" organizations track them over very long periods of time and mark down judgements. These "permanent records" transcend changes in bureaucratic administration and company ownership. They are all about fealty, no matter the master.

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I thought the view of employers relieved to be able to treat vaccination as a legal "sorting hat" for offloading problem employees was interesting. Not necessarily the right thing or the best thing, but a real thing.

People worry about personal privacy without any idea how closely Ferenginoid "Hoo-Mann Resources" organizations track them over very long periods of time and mark down judgements. These "permanent records" transcend changes in bureaucratic administration and company ownership. They are all about fealty, no matter the master.

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Yeah, I thought that was pretty fascinating. I don't think it applies to ALL industries. I would guess that some service industries take anybody who is breathing, these days, but for any other job, the really ideal point is that the company isn't doing the sorting, the employee is. That's a win-win for the employer.

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I thought the view of employers relieved to be able to treat vaccination as a legal "sorting hat" for offloading problem employees was interesting. Not necessarily the right thing or the best thing, but a real thing.

People worry about personal privacy without any idea how closely Ferenginoid "Hoo-Mann Resources" organizations track them over very long periods of time and mark down judgements. These "permanent records" transcend changes in bureaucratic administration and company ownership. They are all about fealty, no matter the master.

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Is that like things going on your "permanent record" in high school :p

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Trump Says Virus Was Part of Plan to Rig Election

Former President Donald Trump did a truly crazy interview with MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell in which he rolled out a new — and false — explanation for why he lost the 2020 presidential election.

Said Trump: “We know what happened… they basically used COVID-19 or the China virus to rig the election, and it’s a shame.”

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:https://politicalwire.com/2021/11/17...-rig-election/

From my understanding what he implies is that since people was locked at home they could not have a psychical presence to the elections so the electronic votes were easier to be "manipulated" .
If it's true or not I don't know but I think that is what he said, he just did not elaborate so it gave justice to other conclusions.

When you keep your hair soaked in gasoline it doesn't take much of a spark.

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From my understanding what he implies is that since people was locked at home they could not have a psychical presence to the elections so the electronic votes were easier to be "manipulated" .
If it's true or not I don't know but I think that is what he said, he just did not elaborate so it gave justice to other conclusions.

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Awww come on :mad:

He also said it was a democratic hoax...
The pandemic would be over April of 2020...
The pandemic would be over on election day Nov. 2020...

As long as there's enough people that want to believe the election fraud lie, Trump will continue to spread it. That's no surprise.
And Lindell has been a slime ball for years. https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...est-my-pillow/

Just a couple of rich con men doing what they do best. It's amazing how much money you can make if you are morally bankrupt. lol

I did not say I believe or not believe, I just said what I think he meant. No need to get jumpy.
I'm out of the dance in US so if you ask me my opinion and only my opinion I would say that Sleepy is just a pawn and Orange, although with some ridiculous decisions was at least trying to bypass the deep US decision making centers. As I've said that is just my opinion and if you want another one, Trump was pro Turkey so it was against our best interests in the region but he was protecting US interests a lot more than Biden. So that's my... 16 cents :P , from an outside observer and to be clear I could not care less about the politics in US so I'm not pro or cons biased against one or another.

Trump was pro Turkey because he never met an autocrat he didn't like. That's nothing new, of course. If you follow his whole life, it's been about appearing to be, and also therefore worshipping, strong men. They didn't have to be nice. In fact, it was a bit better if they weren't. It's also why he eventually shafted anybody who did anything for him.

I was a bit sorry about that pillow guy. Pillows are interesting. Such a simple thing, but so terribly complicated at the same time. Everybody appears to have a preference, some more strongly held than others. I don't have much of a preference, so I've looked around at a variety of different pillows over the years to try to figure out what works best for me. What I'm currently using would likely be classified as, "really weird". Not exactly soft or hard, somewhat flat, and totally lumpy. For that reason, I feel that I could do better, but since I don't really know what I like, it's hard to evaluate pillows. I didn't know anything about that guy's politics, but I found plenty to dislike about the pillows.