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Trump was making friends today at the UN. With his usual rhetoric, criticizing everyone and telling everyone how great he is. Vintage Trump.
He did bring up one point that bothers me about the UN
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For the most part, at least for now, all they seem to do is write a really strongly-worded letter and then never follow that letter up
That's fairly accurate but I'm not sure what the UN can do. It's basically a toothless organization. Which is a shame because I really like the concept of the UN. But it just doesn't work.
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That seemed to be kind of the point: Talk, rather than act. There was a theoretical framework for supplying peace keeping troops, but the real purpose was to have a place to discuss things.
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That seemed to be kind of the point: Talk, rather than act. There was a theoretical framework for supplying peace keeping troops, but the real purpose was to have a place to discuss things.
The problem is, talking alone doesn't seem to produce results. Everyone's self interest trumps talk.
They do a lot of good humanitarian work for things like hunger. But they aren't effective as peacekeepers.
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Good to see Trump is protecting your national security by imposing tariffs on kitchen cupboards and bathroom vanities, with smaller tariffs on upholstered furniture - about time did something to clamp down on these imports and the risk they cause to national security.
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Trump claims just about everything is a national emergency. It's his go to justification. I wonder how the world ever survived until now.
There's such an endless stream of actions from Trump, I don't know how he thinks them all up.
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Tylenol Derangement Syndrome.
What next?
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dilettante
Tylenol Derangement Syndrome.
What next?
Are you talking about the the idiots that claim there is a proven link between Tylenol and autism?
Or the people that are worried about the harm that can happen from an untreated fever to the mother/baby?
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Are you talking about the the idiots that claim there is a proven link between Tylenol and autism?
Or the people that are worried about the harm that can happen from an untreated fever to the mother/baby?
And you wondered where descriptions such as Loony Left come from?
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And you wondered where descriptions such as Loony Left come from?
Honestly can't tell if you agree with the claim Tylenol causes autism or not. Seems like any excuse to insult the left more than anything...
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This is like watching someone try to dunk on the left but forgetting which team they're playing for mid-air.
Quick, someone screen-cap Dil's comment before he changes it to "Trump Derangement Syndrome"! :bigyello:
We don't want others thinking Wes edited what he quoted.
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And you wondered where descriptions such as Loony Left come from?
Like usual, you are long on name calling and short on information.
If you agree with RFK and Trump's claim, then I'd be interested to know on what information you base that belief. Since researchers that conducted studies say there is no proven link between Tylenol and autism. Even the FDA doesn't agree.
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Even the notice about acetaminophen issued to physicians by the Food and Drug Administration pointed out that a possible link to autism was an area of ongoing scientific debate, and said that "while an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature."
Do you think RFK and Trump are better qualified than the researchers??
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If you agree with RFK and Trump's claim, then I'd be interested to know on what information you base that belief.
Psst! Don't remind Dil whose side he's on! Let him resolve his internal conflict on his own.
Apparently, he’s got Tylenol Derangement Syndrome now. Either that, or he better apologize to Trump ASAP!
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Even the FDA doesn't agree.
Ah, but the FDA are part of the deep state. Along with the CDC. And the WHO. And the MHRA (our British equivalent). And every single national body that overseas the safety of medicines. It's a world wide conspiracy.
But let's not get distracted from Trump being a paedophilic insurrectionist. I feel like that's important.
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Ah, but the FDA are part of the deep state. Along with the CDC. And the WHO. And the MHRA (our British equivalent). And every single national body that overseas the safety of medicines. It's a world wide conspiracy.
But let's not get distracted from Trump being a paedophilic insurrectionist. I feel like that's important.
The "Deep State" is in charge. Trump is literally trying to rewrite history. Government agencies are told to only use words align with Trump's narrative. Here's the latest example I saw,
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The Energy Department has added “climate change,” “green” and “decarbonization” to its growing “list of words to avoid” at its Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, according to an email issued Friday and obtained by POLITICO.
The words on the DOE list are at the heart of EERE’s mission: It is the government’s largest investor in technologies that help reduce heat-trapping emissions that cause climate change as well as the hazardous pollution from fossil fuels. It is the latest in a series of Trump administration efforts to dispute, silence or downplay the realities of climate change.
“Please ensure that every member of your team is aware that this is the latest list of words to avoid — and continue to be conscientious about avoiding any terminology that you know to be misaligned with the Administration’s perspectives and priorities,” the directive from acting director of external affairs Rachel Overbey said.
It seems being accurate and truthful has no place in our government.
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The "Deep State" is in charge. Trump is literally trying to rewrite history. Government agencies are told to only use words align with Trump's narrative. Here's the latest example I saw,
It seems being accurate and truthful has no place in or government.
Trump has sacked people for being honest e.g. Erika McEntarfer who was fired because the actual statistics disagreed with Trump.
When your entire life is one lie after another, then there is no place for truth and honesty.
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The Left is morally bankrupt. No lie is too blatant, no violent act too big to celebrate.
Leftist Claims Black Students Were LYNCHED on CAMPUS After Charlie kirk's Murder
https://youtu.be/tMEDwUrIS0E?si=obvW-F-qCFhxncKh
It astounds me that people here will defend this insanity. I hope you can wake up soon.
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Talk about one lie after another...
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PlausiblyDamp
Trump has sacked people for being honest e.g. Erika McEntarfer who was fired because the actual statistics disagreed with Trump.
She was fired because she had been falsifying figures for political purposes.
I suggest you tend to your own garden. The UK is a flaming sack of garbage these days.
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Talk about one lie after another...
She was fired because she had been falsifying figures for political purposes.
I suggest you tend to your own garden. The UK is a flaming sack of garbage these days.
Didn't realise a thread about the US Presidential election related to the UK, you do love to keep diverting attention to the UK - and at no point have I tried to defend the things you keep pointing the finger of blame at... Did I defend Prince Andrew? Am I defending the current UK government? Did I defend any UK politician who was a sex offender in the same way you defended Trump's conviction for sexual assault?
If you want to argue about the UK why don't you start a thread, instead of constantly diverting attention from Trump's behaviours by criticising the UK. This may be a shock to you, but it is possible for Trump to be at fault and for the UK to not be perfect.
Erika McEntarfer was fired by Trump without any evidence that she had manipulated figures; Trump's claims have been dismissed by economists. This is yet another case of Trump, who is a known and proven liar, telling lies to justify his own agenda.
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Your "facts" are incorrect.
Trump's "claims" have only be confirmed by economists.
Her reported numbers were inflated under Biden to make him look good for the election. Then she used this tactic combined with subsequent "reveal" "corrections" to mislead the Trump administration and screw up decisions and generally try to cause embarrassment.
But of course you know this.
It is precisely why she was fired. And in any case Trump had the authority to do so for no reason at all.
Your dead horse can't trot.
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dilettante
Your "facts" are incorrect.
Trump's "claims" have only be confirmed by economists.
Her reported numbers were inflated under Biden to make him look good for the election. Then she used this tactic combined with subsequent "reveal" "corrections" to mislead the Trump administration and screw up decisions and generally try to cause embarrassment.
Which economists have agreed with trump on this one? What evidence did Trump have for his claims? Given her role didn't give her the opportunity to influence the collection or how the reports were generated (at least not without large numbers of people being made aware of what she was doing), how did she manage to skew the numbers?
So why didn't he fire her before then? If she was so biased and corrupt, why did he keep her in the role?
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It is precisely why she was fired. And in any case Trump had the authority to do so for no reason at all.
Your dead horse can't trot.
Just because you can fire someone for no reason at all, doesn't mean you can fire them and then lie about the reasons. Have you considered that perhaps Trump's policies could actually be causing a slow down in your economy?
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Which economists have agreed with trump on this one? What evidence did Trump have for his claims?
I've come to the conclusion that when asking Dil what he bases his claims on, he'll just ignore the question. Then move on to more wild claims and a YouTube video that has no value other than it parrots his beliefs. This has happened over and over. It just happened when I asked what he based his belief that the Tylenol claims by Trump and RFK were true.
For Dil it's not about finding the truth.
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Your "facts" are incorrect.
Trump's "claims" have only be confirmed by economists.
Show one.
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Oh come on. There is no economist who will claim that the incorrect figures were correct. If they were correct, why were massive corrections issued subsequently after the damage was done?
Whether there was a corrupt political motive or just incompetence instead, it was completely reasonable to clean house.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? You run around trying nitpick everything that happens and then spin it to fit your narrative using extreme leaps of logic and plenty of obfuscation.
Even the doctors that have spoken on CNN won't say Tylenol isn't linked to use during pregnancy and child autism. The all admit the studies show a clear association, if not a clear cut cause and effect. Are better studies needed? Of course, when isn't that true?
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This is what the Left looks like to decent people:
https://youtu.be/hSSOTWkTDRg?si=4krKwOTpwXziockX
But the Left hates video. It makes it so hard to dismiss reality as opinion when it doesn't fit the story they tell themselves so they can sleep.
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Oh come on. There is no economist who will claim that the incorrect figures were correct. If they were correct, why were massive corrections issued subsequently after the damage was done?
Whether there was a corrupt political motive or just incompetence instead, it was completely reasonable to clean house.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? You run around trying nitpick everything that happens and then spin it to fit your narrative using extreme leaps of logic and plenty of obfuscation.
Even the doctors that have spoken on CNN won't say Tylenol isn't linked to use during pregnancy and child autism. The all admit the studies show a clear association, if not a clear cut cause and effect. Are better studies needed? Of course, when isn't that true?
That funny, but so Dil. :)
His way of supporting his claims is to claim there true.
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What the heck is wrong with you guys? You run around trying nitpick everything that happens and then spin it to fit your narrative using extreme leaps of logic and plenty of obfuscation.
This is a Western thing. Westerners take a few facts and string them together with their own biases and call it reality. Your entire system works like this from the top down, pioneered by the elites of Western societies for centuries. It allows the Western mind to justify all kinds of stupidity and atrocities. And it's not just the left. It's the right, middle, and whatever else there is. And it's everywhere. Everything you see on TV, social media, and in every written article about any topic. They taught you guys to do this so well that now the West is tearing itself apart because no one can agree on what is real anymore. Everyone is inventing their own reality, and it has reached the point where you're all ready to kill each other over it.
Here is a contrived example of how it works. Let's say you have 5 facts:-
- Sally house has burned down
- Sally's neighbour, Mark was into her.
- Sally wasn't into Mark.
- Sally is known to be ill-tempered
- Mark is known to be persistent about everything he does
Now, if you're already predisposed towards Sally, you might take those facts and spin them into "Mark burned down Sally's house because she rejected him."
If you like Mark, you could spin it like this, "Sally, in a fit of rage burned down her own house to try and frame Mark because Mark won't stop pursuing her."
The genius here is the use of facts. Both narratives are fiction, but they are built on facts, so when someone from either side tries to argue against the other side, they use these facts as a shield. It's a way to legitimize their point of view. Also, the use of facts is only part of the formula, the avoidance of certain facts is another dimension of this. Notice that no one even bothered to ask whether Mark was home, because if he wasn't, it shatters both narratives. Why would Sally try to frame Mark if he had an alibi, and how could Mark burn down her house if he wasn't there.
I've only come to understand this in the last couple of months. It's extremely pervasive in Western media, so much so, that the average rank and file citizen of the West has adopted the practice. An argument between two Americans for example, is really just a competition to see who is better at using facts to construct a reality.
This isn't meant as a dig at you Dil, but I have to say that even the right does this pervasively. Although I agree with the American right on many things, the genocide in Gaza has opened my eyes to eyes to just how much the right does it too. It's not even a right vs left thing. It's just a Western thing.
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Oh come on. There is no economist who will claim that the incorrect figures were correct. If they were correct, why were massive corrections issued subsequently after the damage was done?
Whether there was a corrupt political motive or just incompetence instead, it was completely reasonable to clean house.
What the heck is wrong with you guys? You run around trying nitpick everything that happens and then spin it to fit your narrative using extreme leaps of logic and plenty of obfuscation.
An awful lot of economists however will admit the figures relating to job growth were accurate enough, and that they do reflect the current state of the employment in the US.
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Even the doctors that have spoken on CNN won't say Tylenol isn't linked to use during pregnancy and child autism. The all admit the studies show a clear association, if not a clear cut cause and effect. Are better studies needed? Of course, when isn't that true?
The only large study done on this topic (2.5 million children in Sweden) showed no evidence that acetaminophen causes an increase in autism. A related study in Japan reached the same conclusion.
In fact no studies have found a causal link between acetaminophen and autism; although some studies have shown that it is associated with higher risk it has not been show to cause autism. This is a case of correlation, not causation (e.g. when ice cream sales increase in the US, deaths by drowning also increase)
In fact look at the timeline... Autism was first recognised in 1911, with further studies being done in the 20s, 30s, and 40s; Tylenol wasn't invented till 1955 - even the basic timeline doesn't make sense.
How on earth can you take the word of RFK (ex-heroin addict, anti-vaxer, conspiracy peddler, and an individual who swims in sewage contaminated water link and even said people shouldn't take medical advice from him) and a repeat liar such as Trump over medical studies?
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How on earth can you take the word of RFK (ex-heroin addict, anti-vaxer, conspiracy peddler, and an individual who swims in sewage contaminated water link and even said people shouldn't take medical advice from him) and a repeat liar such as Trump over medical studies?
He has to or else his whole premise of the evil lying left falls apart.
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If they were correct, why were massive corrections issued subsequently after the damage was done?
A simple google search for "Why were USA job figures revised" would have allayed your concerns about this
TLDR: There is a lag on the figures because businesses, particularly small ones, often delay submitting their hiring reports. In times where job numbers are declining (which they are under Trump) this can lead to an initial over estimate of new job figures. This methodology has existed for multiple administrations of both parties and is published for you to examine should you so wish.
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Niya
Here is a contrived example of how it works. Let's say you have 5 facts:-
- Sally house has burned down
- Sally's neighbour, Mark was into her.
- Sally wasn't into Mark.
- Sally is known to be ill-tempered
- Mark is known to be persistent about everything he does
Now, if you're already predisposed towards Sally, you might take those facts and spin them into "Mark burned down Sally's house because she rejected him."
If you like Mark, you could spin it like this, "Sally, in a fit of rage burned down her own house to try and frame Mark because Mark won't stop pursuing her."
Regardless of anything else, this is perhaps the most impressively well built analogy that I have ever seen on this site. It is thorough, yet complex enough to contain layers of interpretation, which is the whole point.
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The genius here is the use of facts. Both narratives are fiction, but they are built on facts, so when someone from either side tries to argue against the other side, they use these facts as a shield.
That is a good argument, but it is based on the idea that all observers agree as to what the facts are. The problem we have is that we do NOT agree on what the facts are. If you go back to the COVID thread, you can see that people were putting forwards alternative facts (where IS Sapator, anyways?). In some cases, they may not have believed what they were putting forwards, but I expect that most of the people who participated (in this forum only) really did believe the position they held. What facts would be accepted? I went looking for papers on any subject that there would be papers on. Even there, facts could be fluid. Had there been one or two studies on ivermectin, for example, people might have accepted that. In fact, there were so many papers on ivermectin that there were dozens of meta-analysis looking at the consensus from the studies. If you wanted to believe it worked, you could take one set of meta analyses. If you wanted to believe it was useless for COVID...you had plenty of papers for that, as well.
If there was one set of facts, that would be great. Most people believe that there are, but they don't agree on what that set of facts is.
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If there was one set of facts, that would be great. Most people believe that there are, but they don't agree on what that set of facts is.
Even if there is one set of facts you have the problem of one media source only reports on Sally and doesn't mention Mark and another media source does just the opposite. They are not lying, just presenting only the facts that support their bias. I don't blame just the media because they are only giving people what they want. FOX's right wing bias is well known but that bias has made it the most watched new source. It seems a large segment of our society doesn't want to know the truth.
This would be a good example,
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TLDR: There is a lag on the figures because businesses, particularly small ones, often delay submitting their hiring reports. In times where job numbers are declining (which they are under Trump) this can lead to an initial over estimate of new job figures. This methodology has existed for multiple administrations of both parties and is published for you to examine should you so wish.
This information was widely reported. If Dil didn't know these facts it's because he only sought out information from places that cater to people that support Trump/Right.
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Spin, spin, spin. The facts are indisputable though, and in any case you've bet the farm on a trivial matter.
The criminal Left is more marginalized day by day.
SHOCK Poll CRUSHES Democrats as Schumer Shutdown BACKFIRES!!!
https://youtu.be/HTmiFgY1FKY?si=0edtQOTnpJxTq3IR
Meanwhile, enjoy your mariachi music.
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Spin, spin, spin. The facts are indisputable though, and in any case you've bet the farm on a trivial matter.
The criminal Left is more marginalized day by day.
SHOCK Poll CRUSHES Democrats as Schumer Shutdown BACKFIRES!!!
https://youtu.be/HTmiFgY1FKY?si=0edtQOTnpJxTq3IR
Meanwhile, enjoy your mariachi music.
Dil, since you're only interested in hearing what you want from this YouTube video, here’s the full Harvard-Harris Poll PDF so other readers can see the actual breakdown of Democrat and Republican responses to the loaded, politically-worded questions in the polls. The kind of details Steve Turley conveniently leaves out in his Harvard Harris Poll video presentation that you posted
As an FYI to anyone reading this, some of the pie charts in the poll use party-associated colors (blue for Democrats, red for Republicans) in ways that can be misleading, specially in videos, if the details under the charts in the PDF are not carefully read.
Sorry, Dil. I know linking to the full Harvard Harris Poll PDF probably ruined the clean narrative you got from the video. My bad for linking the actual data. :bigyello:
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It is staggering enough to see the criminality of the Left defended here, much less how many here identify as part of it!
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It is staggering enough to see the criminality of the Left defended here, much less how many here identify as part of it!
You think criminal gangs are "the Left". That's sheer lunacy but it made me laugh, so thanks.
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It is staggering enough to see the criminality of the Left defended here, much less how many here identify as part of it!
So your best response to me linking the actual Harvard-Harris Poll PDF, which completely undercuts Turley’s narrative in the video, is to ignore it, pivot to an unrelated robbery story, and then accuse people here of “defending criminality” and “identifying as part of it”?
Bold move. When facts don’t land in your favor, I guess tossing around veiled accusations is easier than actually engaging with the material.
But just a heads up: publicly implying that other forum members are complicit in criminal behavior violates the “abusive or defamatory content” clause in the site's Terms of Service. Just saying.
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Dil doesn't come up with anything new. Once it becomes a talking point, he uses it. Before it's a talking point, apparently it doesn't matter.
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It warms the heart to see Fox and NewsMax join in the fight for free speech. At least on this one item.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...170013972.html
