Israeli/Palestinian fighting

Cocktail

OK here's what I think
I think that Israel has no right to take take over a land and expell people nor they have the right to kill innocent people what so ever

They have the biggest part of refusing peace process

They commit acts I've never seen before and they're called civilized and democratic
check the gallery of this site and I have other pictures that are very new.
http://www.ummah.org.uk/unity/sabra/main.html

You'll say I can't rexplain how Israel was created again to this guy with "cocktail beliefs" ,but the whole idea can't just fit in this cocktail mind

Maybe when u see the pictures u would now why a misery man with no hope after jews destroyed his life ,killed his family and can't fight back would blow himself up in a jewish community which in a way has no real citizens , all of them are trained in the army for parts of the year.

Damn it ,I wanted people to see those Israelis acts and I'll be called anti-semitic ,BTW arabs are from simitc ansesctors
Jusr don't let them do what they're doing with palestinian unarmed citizens

Massacres are being done and photographers are prevented from entering these areas but pictures are always revealed.

and BTW check this picture as an exmple for those left bleeding to death and houses being destroyed

and this page contains Adult materials:
http://www.futuretvnetwork.com/justi...acre_pics.html

nadscorp (and some others out there), why not get ur facts straight. heres a refresher: http://www.senate.gov/~inhofe/fl030402.html

Go get a history book if u need more details

There's no use to insist with nad_scorp to accept historical facts... I don't justify any bloodshed, but It seems to me that he has all his arguments based on the bloodshed itself rather than the story behind it.

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/0...in_Picture.gif http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/0...in_Picture.gif http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/1...in_Picture.gif http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/0...in_Picture.gif

Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

I've seen that article and I've a question if this senator is a jew or not :cool: ?

And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

And have u watched on news the pictures of Israeli Army using palestinian women and children as a shield in front of tanks while they tried to enter Genin camp (spelling ???) to prevent the palestinians from trying to fight back,now Give me an explaination for that (reasonable one and I'll be convinced ) ?? I've heard that they've been using this before ?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

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The Partiton Plan of 1947 was to create two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs. That became invalid when the five Arab states invaded the Jewish state. If you want to blame someone for that, blame the governments of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.

and for the 1967 borders, it give the palestinians about 22% of the land and the rest for Israel, I can't even imagine how arabs had agreed for such a settelment ,why don't they ask for 50% ?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
and for the 1967 borders, it give the palestinians about 22% of the land and the rest for Israel, I can't even how arabs had agreed for such a settelment ,why don't they ask for 50% ?

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Under the 1967 borders, Israel would become less than 30% of original Palestine.

No I'm sure it's the other way around Israel would get about 70% of the whole country (including those they occupied in 1967)

And plz re-read my post above it was just edited when u sent ur reply

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
No I'm sure it's the other way around Israel would get about 70% of the whole country (including those they occupied in 1967)

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http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?postid=913430
Doesn't really leave much for either the Palestinian state or Israel.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

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I can show you the most dispicable pictures imaginable, it wouldn't change a great deal.

what does that last statment mean.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
what does that last statment mean.

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It means what it says. Pictures do not tell you the whole story. If I show you a picture of a dead person with blood all over the floor, how could you tell me that he wasn't a suicide bomber who just set off a bomb? Or was going to set off a bomb, but was shot before he could? Or was an innocent person caught in the cross-fire? Or an innocent person murdered for no apparant reason? Or a haemopheliac who cut himself with a kitchen knife and bled to death? Or perhaps he was killed by his family to put pretty pictures to gain sympathy? Or his neighbour got angry and beat him to death with a pipe over a contract dispute?

How do you know that any of these are true or untrue simply by looking at a picture?

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

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At school, a teacher showed pictures to the class (everyone was 15-16 years old) about abortion. That included a picture of what seemed scrambled eggs but it was something red and the teacher pointed at us a tiny baby's arm.

This teacher's methods and your methods are not different and are both repugnant.

But if that's the way you make judgements I guess you'll only change your view when you'll go to a pub and a "martyr" explodes himself next to your friends in a Saturday night.

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
Ok you have proofs for Israeli rights and I have proofs for palestinian rights, so why does Israel have the right to have a country while palestinian doesn't have that right.

I've seen that article and I've a question if this senator is a jew or not :cool: ?

And why no one had given an opinion about the links and pictures , have u ever seen these pictures before and what do u think of it ?

And have u watched on news the pictures of Israeli Army using palestinian women and children as a shield in front of tanks while they tried to enter Genin camp (spelling ???) to prevent the palestinians from trying to fight back,now Give me an explaination for that (reasonable one and I'll be convinced ) ?? I've heard that they've been using this before ?

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Inhofe is Presbytarian :rolleyes:. and Palestinians rejected a state in '48 :rolleyes:. thats why they didnt get it

alright where are we
am back in

Has nad_scorp gone, or is he just frustrated that he lost?

adam, your not a man, your not even a little boy...
if you were man enough you would just not come back here
if you were wanted, you wouldnt have been banned
shame that you have absolutely no self-respect....

who's adam?

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Originally posted by Moon
who's adam?

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goatse = Aknisely = Adam (the idiot that got banned yet he came back)

How many of the pro Palestinians posting to this thread know that the Palestinians had a country in 1948?

I no longer remember the details, but it seem to me that they would have been a lot better off if Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt had not attacked israel.

Have any Arab countries ever offered to accept Palestinians refugees?

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Originally posted by kovan
goatse = Aknisely = Adam (the idiot that got banned yet he came back)

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Err, no.

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Originally posted by Guv
How many of the pro Palestinians posting to this thread know that the Palestinians had a country in 1948?

I no longer remember the details, but it seem to me that they would have been a lot better off if Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt had not attacked israel.

Have any Arab countries ever offered to accept Palestinians refugees?

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so why should Palestinians pay the price of what other arabs did? they have a homeland where they dont need to be refugees

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Originally posted by goatse
Err, no.

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err yes, now shut up before i shove my foot down your throat

Now, WITHOUT completely bashing America...could someone explain this?

As far as i understand, Israel was created by the UN, with strong support from Britan. So, why does everyone hate the US for all the problems that Israel causes?

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Originally posted by sail3005
Now, WITHOUT completely bashing America...could someone explain this?

As far as i understand, Israel was created by the UN, with strong support from Britan. So, why does everyone hate the US for all the problems that Israel causes?

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1. America supports the state of Israel as far as conflict with the rest
2. America is a very strong alley to Israel
3. Most of the weapons Israel own are given to them by US

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Originally posted by kovan
so why should Palestinians pay the price of what other arabs did?

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Because the majority of the Palestinians supported and assisted the invasion by the Arab states.

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Originally posted by goatse
Because the majority of the Palestinians supported and assisted the invasion by the Arab states.

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didnt i tell you to shut up?

Actually, you did. You know something? I don't care about what you have to say.

u sure?
cus i got a lot to say

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Originally posted by kovan
cus i got a lot to say

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Too bad none of it is relevant. Try responding to my statement about the Palestinians so you don't look like a complete fool.

one think that does make me look like a fool is talking to you
i think the world is preparing to get rid of jews(simonm and lot of other jews are cool) like you
what do you think?

I'm not Jewish...

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i think the world is preparing to get rid of jews

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no, not the world, just the stupid people!

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Originally posted by Moon
no, not the world, just the stupid people!

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hmm nah i dont think so
people that get rid of Adam's kind are not stupid they are heros,
no room for people like Adam here

well, I don't know Adam, but I didn't like what you said.

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Originally posted by Moon
well, I don't know Adam, but I didn't like what you said.

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you dont know adam? o man where you been
search for all the posts maed by "Aknisely"

as far as you dont like what i said, well thats life i dont like things you say either but i guess you just have to deal with it

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Originally posted by kovan
as far as you dont like what i said, well thats life i dont like things you say either but i guess you just have to deal with it

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I see... So you clearly like to provocate... Are you a women?

last time i checked i wasnt a women
i might wanna check again though

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Originally posted by nad_scorp
I've seen that article and I've a question if this senator is a jew or not :cool: ?

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Are you sure you read the article?

has everyone turned into children :rolleyes:

>>>And BTW I'm a christian and Jesus differs from Joshua that jews think of , and yes I think they've crossified him and then resseruction occuered and that's why we celebrate Easter and that's a fact that christians now and GOD in the Bible(new testimnet never said help the jews to get their land in any place) the old testiment said that Jesus is coming and it came but the jews still think that's not the one and he hadn't came yet ,(they've killed him for that) and u say they didn't.
And yes I know he was a jew but was not Joshuaaaa

A lot of anti-Semitism comes from the "those bastards killed Jesus" sentiment. Hello??? If it weren't for the Jews killing Jesus you wouldn't even have your religion!!! Everything in the New Testament hinges on God loving Man so much that he sent down His only Son, knowing full well that His Son would be killed, and it is through the Blood of Christ that Man can have his sins cleansed.

Your grudge (and the same chip I've noticed on many a Christian's shoulder) over this 2000 year-old murder is seeping through your every word, but without this event having happened, you would have no martyr and no religion.

Your wishful thinking that the world will commit genocide on the Jews makes me ill, Kovan. I'm starting to think you really don't believe anything that's in the Koran.

And by the way, not that it matters, but for the record, I'm not Jewish. It just so happens that as an American, I'm appreciative of all the things that this relatively small group of Americans have done to make America a better country. (Even if they do happen to vote Democratic a great majority of the time.)

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Originally posted by mikeycorn
Your wishful thinking that the world will commit genocide on the Jews makes me ill, Kovan. I'm starting to think you really don't believe anything that's in the Koran.

And by the way, not that it matters, but for the record, I'm not Jewish. It just so happens that as an American, I'm appreciative of all the things that this relatively small group of Americans have done to make America a better country. (Even if they do happen to vote Democratic a great majority of the time.)

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Again mike you have misread what i said
i was refering to people like Adam
and for the record, what part of koran dont i believe in
you seem to say a lot but its not supported by anything

btw, world is not gonna commit genocide on the jews, time is getting short...

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i think the world is preparing to get rid of jews

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Here's something from the Koran that seems to have eluded you:

The Mutual Deceit - 64.14 - "O you who believe! surely from among your wives and your children there is an enemy to you; therefore beware of them; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

just out of curiousity what does that verse have to do with ANYTHING?

oh ya here is a better transtlation of the same verse

64:14
O you who believe! Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you (i.e. may stop you from the obedience of Allâh), therefore beware of them! But if you pardon (them) and overlook, and forgive (their faults), then verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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Originally posted by mikeycorn

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ur kind makes me SICK
take words out of context and dont finish reading the sentence

here is the full sentence

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i think the world is preparing to get rid of jews(simonm and lot of other jews are cool) like you

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Okay, I understand your statement more clearly now.

The world is getting ready to rid itself of Jews who don't see things the way you do.

However, there are some Jews you think are cool that will be spared.

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Originally posted by mikeycorn
Okay, I understand your statement more clearly now.

The world is getting ready to rid itself of Jews who don't see things the way you do.

However, there are some Jews you think are cool that will be spared.

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i am not gonna spend all the time explaining my posts
if you dont undrestand them dont read them
but when you read them read them carefully and you will undrestand them,
help me out here, i cant keep telling you this every time i make a post

could you explain why you quoted that verse? i still dont see the point you were trying to make with it

Clearly, that verse is instructing you to be more tolerant. Saying that the world is getting ready to rid itself of Jews like the person who you happen to be debating on this thread, that to me is some extreme intolerance.

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Originally posted by mikeycorn
Clearly, that verse is instructing you to be more tolerant. Saying that the world is getting ready to rid itself of Jews like the person who you happen to be debating on this thread, that to me is some extreme intolerance.

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out of all the verses you could only find that?
i am having doubts if you are even married to a muslim

>out of all the verses you could only find that?

I'm sorry, is there some rule that says I must quote multiple verses?

It is true that in comparison with the Bible, the Koran does seem to emphasize the "love thy enemy" theme a lot less, but I do think that spiritually you would be well served by adopting more of the "love thy enemy" attitude in your view of the world around you. You can take comfort in the fact that because Jesus Christ is viewed as one of the Prophets, you could do so without betraying your own religion.

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Originally posted by mikeycorn
>out of all the verses you could only find that?

I'm sorry, is there some rule that says I must quote multiple verses?

It is true that in comparison with the Bible, the Koran does seem to emphasize the "love thy enemy" theme a lot less, but I do think that spiritually you would be well served by adopting more of the "love thy enemy" attitude in your view of the world around you. You can take comfort in the fact that because Jesus Christ is viewed as one of the Prophets, you could do so without betraying your own religion.

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the reason why i said out of all those verses is because that verse doesnt fit
there are sooo many other verses that DIRECTLY tackle the point your trying to present which again makes me wonder as far as your knowledge of Islam

going further, What does Jesus (pbuh) have to do with anything?
bible is man made there for anything it says on behalf of Jesus automatically becomes invalid to us Muslims..
going a little further, you need to look deeper into Qur'an and Hadith.. you will see what it says about the enemy
one qoute i related to you in our conversation was
when a jew died and he was being taken to be burried, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) got up to show respect while one of his companions said "oh prophet why do you get up for a non believer in Islam"
prophet said "every soul is created by Allah and every soul will return back to Allah..."

another
during battle
1. Cannot kill farmers while taking over land
2. Cannot kill women
3. Cannot kill children
4. Cannot kill elderly
5. Cannot burn or ruin farms of crop

again which makes me wonder if you did your homework befor opening your mouth..

which again gives me more evidence that you need to do your homework a little more and maybe dont claim your married to a Muslim

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another
during battle
1. Cannot kill farmers while taking over land
2. Cannot kill women
3. Cannot kill children
4. Cannot kill elderly
5. Cannot burn or ruin farms of crop

again which makes me wonder if you did your homework befor opening your mouth..

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It should make you wonder if the suicide bombers had done their homework before blowing themselves up.

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Originally posted by mikeycorn


It should make you wonder if the suicide bombers have done their homework before blowing themselves up.

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again mike your giving Islamic "Fatwah" when you havent even learned a thing or to..
there is a verse in the quran that says you have the RIGHT to defend yourself if yoru religion or your homeland is threatened
the example in palestine is a legit struggle for freedom and makes it perfectly ok Islamically (according to the people who are QUALIFIED to give Fatwah) because palestinians have stones, israel has f16's,

Why don't you do your homework and read the seven points on Israel's right to statehood by Senator Inhofe. Do your homework and see if you can still justify your anti-Israeli holy war in the name of yet another Arabic state run by yet another non-elected tyrant by the name of Yassir Arafat.


http://www.senate.gov/~inhofe/fl030402.html

from your PM

>>are you gonna do your homework before you post on Islam related and Qur'an? or do i have to correct you each time and embarrase you

The only thing that's embarrassing is the way you "embarrase" yourself with your poor spelling and your misguided arrogance that only you and those who are like-minded can truly interpret the Koran.

i hope they kill arafat, i really do he doesnt have what it takes to declare a holy war on the head of Israel
he is nothing but a wuss