[Serious]Why are you not a believer of the existence of God

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Is there a site out there that does a side by side comparison of religions in a purely banal way?

This could make for a highly entertaining site.

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Not sure if you find this entertaining.

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Originally Posted by dee-u

Can science create something?

My 1st year high school teacher thought us that creating means making something out of nothing so if someone else can make something out of nothing then I will be baffled.

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cre⋅ate
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.
3. Theater. to perform (a role) for the first time or in the first production of a play.
4. to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.
5. to be the cause or occasion of; give rise to: The announcement created confusion.
6. to cause to happen; bring about; arrange, as by intention or design: to create a revolution; to create an opportunity to ask for a raise.
–verb (used without object)
7. to do something creative or constructive.
8. British. to make a fuss.
–adjective
9. Archaic. created.
Origin:
1350–1400; ME creat (ptp.) < L creātus, equiv. to creā- (s. of creāre to make) + -tus ptp. suffix

Word Origin & History

create
c.1386, from L. creatus, pp. of creare "to make, produce," related to crescere "arise, grow" (see crescent). Creator for "Supreme Being" (c.1300) drove out native scieppend, from verb scieppan (see shape). Creative is from 1678, originally literal; of the arts, meaning "imaginative," from 1816, first attested in Wordsworth. Creative writing is from 1907. The native word for creation in the Biblical sense was O.E. frum-sceaft.Creationism as a name for the religious reaction to Darwin is from 1880.


"James Ussher (1581-1656), Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All Ireland, and Vice-Chancellor of Trinity College in Dublin was highly regarded in his day as a churchman and as a scholar. Of his many works, his treatise on chronology has proved the most durable. Based on an intricate correlation of Middle Eastern and Mediterranean histories and Holy writ, it was incorporated into an authorized version of the Bible printed in 1701, and thus came to be regarded with almost as much unquestioning reverence as the Bible itself. Having established the first day of creation as Sunday 23 October 4004 B.C. ... Ussher calculated the dates of other biblical events, concluding, for example, that Adam and Eve were driven from Paradise on Monday 10 November 4004 BC, and that the ark touched down on Mt Ararat on 5 May 1491 BC `on a Wednesday'." [Craig, G.Y., and E.J. Jones, "A Geological Miscellany," Princeton University Press, 1982.]

I'm not an atheist !!
I'm a realest .
I'm a devout believer in reality.

And I don't believe, teachers or scholars with unquestioning reverence.

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Originally Posted by Blakk_Majik

People do tend to take the Bible too literally.

As an example, the beginning of the Bible which states God created everything in a week. He actually did all his work in 6 days, and on the 7th, he rested.

There are some that take this literally as "He started on Monday, finished on Saturday, and rested on Sunday (note: in some, namely Catholic, Sunday is viewed as the first day and Saturday is viewed as the "day of rest")." However, I am of the belief that days are a measure of time that humans use. Who's to say that a "day" for God is not millions of years?


If you look at this story on the surface, from the view of a non-believer, yea, I can see how you would come to the conclusion that God is a douchebag.

However, you need to think about that story. At that time, Job was God's most faithful servant, an upright and perfect human being. God had bestowed many Earthly gifts upon Job because of this. Why would God punish him, especially just to prove a point to the devil?

The point is that it is quite easy to proclaim belief in God, praise Him, follow His rules, etc. as you are continuously receiving from Him. However, what happens when things go bad, really bad? We must remember that anything given to us, God has the authority to take away (or allow Satan to take away from us). It is a lot harder to believe in God when he allows your children to be killed, your animals slaughtered, and everything to be bascially destroyed.

I hope you recall, in that story, that at one point, when Job was stricken with boils all over his body, he broke down and began to ask God why he allowed this to happen to him. Job, the upright and perfect, began to question his faith. God then let him know that it was a test of faith. Soon after, everything in Job's life was restored anew.

Was it extreme? In the view of humans probably so. However, I am in no position to judge God, so I just take the lesson(s) I learn from the story.

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People who are unwilling to judge faith is the source of many problems.

Why can't you judge "God", at least as he is portrayed in your Holy Book?
If God can kill innocent people (Job's Family) for the purposes of showing his power or testing a single man's faith, then how is he considered just and loving?

If God killed every human except Noah's family, how is that considered a just and loving god? Did Noah's family have to repopulate the Earth through inbreeding? I would estimate at least 10% of the population were small children that got drowned, and I doubt the majority of the people drowned did anything that really deserved death, probably some subjective sin like pre-marital sex or not going to temple on Saturday (all of which the Bible/Torah has said is punishable by death).

Sit down, read through every passage that has violence in it. Does that sound like a just God or is it written by ancient peoples making up stories to control their people and keep them in their "faith"?

Noah landed in oz

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

I'm not an atheist !!
I'm a realest .
I'm a devout believer in reality.

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Everyone thinks their reality is the only true reality.

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Originally Posted by abhijit

Not sure if you find this entertaining.

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No. It's a start, but it is neither comprehensive, nor as entertaining as it could be. For one thing, it splits many different things, then lumps all christian faiths into one lump (though it split out one or two that really should have been included). Therefore, it is not just a tad dull, but absurd, as well. Catholics and protestants have killed each other throughout time, yet they are put into the same category? Of course, the same is done with Sunni and Shiite sects within Islam, as well, so they are consistent in their weirdness. Still, I can't help but notice that they claim the combined christian faith is about twice as large as all others aside from Islam (and nearly twice as large as Islam).

Frankly, I think it is no better than a start, and a weak one at that.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

No. It's a start, but it is neither comprehensive, nor as entertaining as it could be. For one thing, it splits many different things, then lumps all christian faiths into one lump (though it split out one or two that really should have been included). Therefore, it is not just a tad dull, but absurd, as well. Catholics and protestants have killed each other throughout time, yet they are put into the same category? Of course, the same is done with Sunni and Shiite sects within Islam, as well, so they are consistent in their weirdness. Still, I can't help but notice that they claim the combined christian faith is about twice as large as all others aside from Islam (and nearly twice as large as Islam).

Frankly, I think it is no better than a start, and a weak one at that.

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Thay are all killers.



penagate

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Everyone thinks their reality is the only true reality.

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I did not say I think my reality is the only true reality.




I did say Noah landed in oz .
That's y kangaroos are only in Australia

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

I did not say I think my reality is the only true reality.

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I believe that you did, even if you don't.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

That's y kangaroos are only in Australia

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Kangaroos exist in several countries besides Australia.

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Originally Posted by penagate

I believe that you did, even if you don't.

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I did not. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You believe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

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Originally Posted by penagate

Kangaroos exist in several countries besides Australia.

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http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/an...dWallabies.htm
Kangaroos and wallabies are marsupials that belong to a small group of animals called macropods. They are only found naturally in Australia and Papua New Guinea. Most macropods have hind legs larger than their forelimbs, large hind feet, and long muscular tails which they use for balance. The word macropod actually means 'big foot'. Kangaroos and wallabies are most active at night, dusk and dawn.

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And wombats? and koalas? and Platypus? and ........................ :D

See Noah landed in oz.

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penagate

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There is no Underpants Gnomes ... because it's something people made up. There is no evidence they exist.

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I've got hard evidence they exist, I can FedEx the evidence to you if you like. :bigyello:

capsulecorpjx
Yes, Noah kept it in the Family

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

I did not. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You believe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

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Of all the possible responses you could have given, this is possibly among the most gauche and inane.

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Originally Posted by penagate

Of all the possible responses you could have given, this is possibly among the most gauche and inane.

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So it make you feel gauche?

The one that lacks sense or substance is?

Is it the reply to
"even if you don't.
Or is it the reply to
"I believe that you did"


You did not say, if you would like me to FedEx the evidence to you!

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Originally Posted by penagate

Kangaroos exist in several countries besides Australia.

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Because there are zoos there are kangaroos all over the world though I'm sure penagate is not referring to that. Wikipedia mentions Australia and New Guinea and says that kangaroos are endemic to Australia. I didn't read the whole article but I didn't see any other countries mentioned and "to be endemic to a place or area means that it is found only in that part of the world and nowhere else"(wikipedia definition provided by link in article).

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

penagate

I've got hard evidence they exist, I can FedEx the evidence to you if you like. :bigyello:

capsulecorpjx
Yes, Noah kept it in the Family

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That's terrible, so we're all a product of Incest?

And the entire human race spread out over the Earth in less than a few thousand years, some creating ancient civilizations in a hundred years or less?

Also if the earth is 6000 years old or so, does that mean the stars are less than 6,000 light years away? So is all Astrophysics wrong?

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

Also if the earth is 6000 years old or so, does that mean the stars are less than 6,000 light years away? So is all Astrophysics wrong?

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Don't forget about the dinosaurs, Lucy or Ardi; or maybe carbon dating is seriously flawed.

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

That's terrible, so we're all a product of Incest?

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:check:
Yeip
Were did adam and eve's grandchildren come from?

God's way, keep it in the Family!

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

And the entire human race spread out over the Earth in less than a few thousand years, some creating ancient civilizations in a hundred years or less?

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:check:
Yiap

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

Also if the earth is 6000 years old or so, does that mean the stars are less than 6,000 light years away? So is all Astrophysics wrong?

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:check:
Yeap

5999 and 357Days?

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

That's terrible, so we're all a product of Incest?

And the entire human race spread out over the Earth in less than a few thousand years, some creating ancient civilizations in a hundred years or less?

Also if the earth is 6000 years old or so, does that mean the stars are less than 6,000 light years away? So is all Astrophysics wrong?

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ah but a day is like a thousand years, remember? 6000 years x 365 = two million, one hundred ninety thousand years, at the minimum.

This is just degenerating in to somthing other than serious!

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ah but a day is like a thousand years

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Only Mondays, the rest of the week flies by fairly quickly !

Can't believe this discussion is still ongoing!

Me either, especially arguing the minutiae of the christian bible. I know I'd have a better chance of arguing the truth found in Douglas Adams: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :p

It's one of those things where once someone has made up their mind about it, there's no point in arguing because you're not going to change their beliefs. Only they can change their beliefs. If you want to argue that back then, a day is two thousand years, or that God wiped out most of humanity in some great flood, or he destroyed cities because he didn't agree with the people's beliefs there, or he killed all the first sons of Egypt because he apparently wanted to teach the pharaoh a lesson, then fine. Believe it. I could care less what you believe as long as it doesn't affect me or the people I love.

True belief doesn't come from the writings in a book. If you want to show true faith, then toss your bibles into the fire, burn your churches to the ground and really, honestly believe. You don't need any of that nonsense for true faith. You honestly think God actually cares that you're reciting lines from a 2000 year old book? Probably about as much as he cares about your ability to quote Family Guy.

But it's entertaining

I think they are making progress actually. Through 5 years of Catholic school the nuns just avoided all of these questions (and beat the crap out of anyone who asked them). Now I'm finally learning that incest is part of gods great plan!

Incest? Think about Adam and Eve and their children. Eeeew.

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You honestly think God actually cares that you're reciting lines from a 2000 year old book?

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I always think that - there are these 3 guys that stand in our town centre every single day shouting stuff like "join us and worship jeesus" and "god will forgive you for your sins" etc etc and I just think surely God would rather you just lived your life to the fullest rather than wasting it standing in town all day preaching to people that are just trying to ignore you.

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Originally Posted by chris128

I always think that - there are these 3 guys that stand in our town centre every single day shouting stuff like "join us and worship jeesus" and "god will forgive you for your sins" etc etc and I just think surely God would rather you just lived your life to the fullest rather than wasting it standing in town all day preaching to people that are just trying to ignore you.

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I have seen a lot of people like these. Sometimes I have attempted to engage them in conversation. It is difficult, because they are not coherent all the time.

I get a real kick out of the guy in our town. He glares at you while he yells. There is no chance that anyone is going to talk to him or follow him or join him. He hands out pamphlets and I always make a big display of taking one and then throwing it over my shoulder at him while I walk away.

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Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978

Can't believe this discussion is still ongoing!

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I don't believe this discussion will end. :D

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Originally Posted by Davadvice

This is just degenerating in to somthing other than serious!

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I believe this is serious.
And I believe peoples beliefs [(god),(no god)] are serious!
no matter how thay voice there belief.

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Originally Posted by KTech

I get a real kick out of the guy in our town. He glares at you while he yells. There is no chance that anyone is going to talk to him or follow him or join him. He hands out pamphlets and I always make a big display of taking one and then throwing it over my shoulder at him while I walk away.

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that's really not only immature, but pamphlets aren't cheap. One of the things followers are SUPPOSED to do is spread their faith. Guys like that are the only ones that really do it properly, and they can never give up on a sinner. As far as he's concerned, as long as you are taking them, there's a chance that you can be dragged from the cesspool of sin it is stuck in.

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Originally Posted by Jenner

Me either, especially arguing the minutiae of the christian bible. I know I'd have a better chance of arguing the truth found in Douglas Adams: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :p

It's one of those things where once someone has made up their mind about it, there's no point in arguing because you're not going to change their beliefs. Only they can change their beliefs. If you want to argue that back then, a day is two thousand years, or that God wiped out most of humanity in some great flood, or he destroyed cities because he didn't agree with the people's beliefs there, or he killed all the first sons of Egypt because he apparently wanted to teach the pharaoh a lesson, then fine. Believe it. I could care less what you believe as long as it doesn't affect me or the people I love.

True belief doesn't come from the writings in a book. If you want to show true faith, then toss your bibles into the fire, burn your churches to the ground and really, honestly believe. You don't need any of that nonsense for true faith. You honestly think God actually cares that you're reciting lines from a 2000 year old book? Probably about as much as he cares about your ability to quote Family Guy.

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I can burn my church but I cannot toss my Bible into the fire, it is the basis of my faith, without it I sure would have been an atheist since then.

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

that's really not only immature, but pamphlets aren't cheap. One of the things followers are SUPPOSED to do is spread their faith. Guys like that are the only ones that really do it properly, and they can never give up on a sinner. As far as he's concerned, as long as you are taking them, there's a chance that you can be dragged from the cesspool of sin it is stuck in.

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But how would I ever talk to someone or get the message from someone who is yelling at everyone and glaring at them? His message seems to be that I am bad and he is better than me. So I feel compelled to degrade him back in any way that I can.

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

ah but a day is like a thousand years, remember? 6000 years x 365 = two million, one hundred ninety thousand years, at the minimum.

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Where did you get that from? That a day = 1000 years?

Even if you found a passage in a bible that said that, 2.2 million years still is way off from the 10 billion + light years away galaxies we see.

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Originally Posted by KTech

I get a real kick out of the guy in our town. He glares at you while he yells. There is no chance that anyone is going to talk to him or follow him or join him. He hands out pamphlets and I always make a big display of taking one and then throwing it over my shoulder at him while I walk away.

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Will, your not aloud to let him get a big kick out of you. :rolleyes:

So, get a box, and let him know your beliefs, hand him some pamphlets.:bigyello:
May-be he'll join you.:eek:

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Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx

Where did you get that from? That a day = 1000 years?

Even if you found a passage in a bible that said that, 2.2 million years still is way off from the 10 billion + light years away galaxies we see.

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1000/24=41.666666666666666666666666666667

god needed Proof,
so he had a man there, he timed god,
his clock showed 41.666666666666666666666666666667 years for each hour, man wat a long day.

That's why "The answer to your question" is 41.666666666666666666666666666667 Or Rounded to 42.

And we'll allow Satan to have the 666.