Youth :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
edit: must be those darned extensions!
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Youth :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
edit: must be those darned extensions!
It really doesnt matter if IE is dominant because it comes with Windoes. so does allot of programs and they dont have the market share like IE does. Its not like its the first time IE got any kind of competition, remember Netscape?
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
Yeah, I posted about them earlier in this thread. They soared MS ass untill MS kicked the legs under Netscape by squeezing the out with money on book.
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Originally Posted by szlamany
I am not even tired...:D
So then you agree that its not because IE comes with windows.
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
Errrrr no...exactly oposite.
[Edit]And that people don't know better
Noteme - when you say people don't know better...
They don't care though - isn't that true?
In order to market a product you must make a person think they need it - that's marketing 101.
MS did that with IE though - but not with consumers - but by having a relationship with hardware vendors that made them think they needed it - thus it comes installed on every box out the door.
They included it with Windows is why its on every box.
Right Steve, they say why change when its working fine or maybe if someone showed them a comparison of the two they can make an educated decision and would want to change to whichever was the better choice. I thought thats part of what we were trying to do here?
They don't know better. Like last time I tried to help my GF with her computer. She though Internet Explorer and the Internet was the same thing. She doesn't know or understand that IE is just an app to log on to the internet. Nor can she install an application on her own. We just have to admitt it, but most people out there is like that. My parents and lots of my friends too. Only by educating them they will understand how it really works.Quote:
Originally Posted by szlamany
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Netscape is the browser God tries to forget... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
That's exactly the marketing I'm talking about. I'm sure in the extensive contracts they have with major hardware manufacturers there is all kinds of language protecting that "inclusion" and possibly the "exclusion" of other apps.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
That might be considered bullying - but it's working - most marketing is bullying.
20 years ago (oops I'm dating myself again) Pepsi would sell a grocery store a 26 week contract for "end-of-isle" display. Guess who sold the other 26 week contract - Coke. No room for any other soda manufacturer.
It's not always about preference or even value - marketing is about protecting your share from your competition.
I think it was written by someone that loved boating. That part just sickened me all the time when I looked at it. :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack
I can still hear the Sea Captian from the Simpsons going "Arrrrg!" whenever its mentioned. :lol:
Noteme - that's exactly what I just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
Marketing is educating or seducing the public that your product is needed. Don't know better = don't care in this equation.
FF if they want market share must take the uneducated public and make them want that "extension". Just like the big 3 car companies here make us want SUV's.
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Originally Posted by szlamany
That is exactly what is going on though...if you havn't followed the conversation...havn't you read this thread...150million downloads of Fx...is that bad? Have they done something wrong? What went wrong with IEs marketing that suddenly lost 20-40% of thir market share..;)
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Downloads don't equate to use - doesn't equal market dominance. I'm not saying that FF can't win the browser battle - but we haven't seen what MS marketing is going to do with IE7 once it's RTM.
If MS is aiming at FF then with IE7 they should see FF use drop.
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Originally Posted by szlamany
Only time will see...but as I have tried to redirect you too before. I blogged about user statestics about a month ago. The newest stats say that Firefox is about 20% of the market. Much more on dev pages like this one. i can tell you that on my own page it is more like 45%. Finland has the highest numbers of user on the last stats with 38% and poor countries like Russia, China has the lowest, about 8%.
But all statestics shows that they are taking big steps every time a new statestic is comming out. They have more then doubled in a year.
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Maybe if IE came out with"extensions" then it would regain all its market shares lost to FF :lol:
That and catch up with the standards..:) Since we just talked about standards earlier and Ajax. Check out this:
Code:try
{
var requester = new XMLHttpRequest();
}
catch (error)
{
try
{
var requester = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
}
catch (error)
{
return false;
}
}
Guess why there is an try catch there..:D..One for IE, and one for the rest of the browsers...:) good start on Ajax isn't it..:D
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So IE supports the .NET style Try Catch blocks. :D
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
Errr...why do you call it .NET try and catch??? Do you think VB invented it all..:D:D:D:D
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Of course....didn't Java start out being a version of VB? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
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Originally Posted by Hack
Hahaha....silly you...:) Yeah sure..:D If you want..:)
To be honest. Java was ment to be written in C++ in the start, which of course also have Try and Catch. But a very slow implementation.
The head programmer didn't like the way C++ treated Java, so he closed him self into his office. Made a new language he called Oak since there was an oak outside his office (the name was later changed since Oak was already patented).
The implementation of Try Catch Java has to offer is by far faster then the one in C++ today. Even if it resembles the same technque for the developer.
Then again most other stuff in Java is much slower then C++. With no realy pointers as C++ have.
VB on the other hand has toy pointers, if you can even call them that..:D
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No, but MS did and didnt it start out in a different language?
To be honest, I don't know if it was Ada, C++ or Lisp that had it first. But I am pretty sure not MS made it up. Just as they didn't make up OOP. Except VB they just steal, beg and borrow, not invent...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
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Well thats how the rest of the world operates, steal a product, make it better, and then call it thier own.
Exactly. Just like with IE 7 now...stealing from the other browsers...but what surprise me, is that they don't steal more, and try to do it better this time. They just do half an update in stead of doing it better.... :sick:
I thought of that too. I think they are in a crunch for time so they can get some of the share back quickly so they just amde some improvements and pushing it out there. I bet they will probably come out with new version, 8, next that will be either a signifigant rewrite or have all the features like FF and a few more. This is the only way to recapture a signifigant part of the market that they lost.
I've been using WHEN ERROR IN ... USE ... END WHEN in Digital VAX-11 BASIC since 1980...
This is the fun part about the internet. If Fx never pushed MS, they would never come out with IE 7 now. It was not supposed to come out before 2007 or 2008 if I remember right. Only this way the internet can be better. The only power the users have is to chose the best browser at any time. Not much more. MS have the money to make a killer browser. But they would rather spend it on other things if they can. Now when users chose Fx, they have to give money to the browser department. And the internet starts moving again.
*Big grin on my face*
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Yup, see. MS was in a rucsh to put it out. So I know they will have a really impressive next version.
Either way we all win.
Do you guys think this thread is exhausted?
Well - over 1000 views by people watching the three of us debate something that I could really care less about :D
Do you think that bulletrick will be able to get the empirical data he so badly wanted?
I thought about bulletrick just this morning. Do you supposed he will read through all of these posts, and just skip to the bitter end?Quote:
Originally Posted by szlamany
So, what have we concluded?
A: Some people like IE.
B: Some people don't.
C: Some people like FF.
D: Sometimes you feel like like a nut, sometimes you dont.I don't know about this thread, but I am. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
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Originally Posted by Hack
Old people..:)
PS it is still Fx not FF...;) FF is Fast Forward on your 8-track....:D
Young whipper snappers :D
Its FF for all you FF'ers out there. Remember Fx is so 2005. :D
IE is so 2001. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
I see you have a typo in there. It should be IE is so 20,001 :D
Guess its time to Close this thread. :)