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I suppose the writing skills they teach vary around the world. It is common practice in this country to acknowledge other's work when it is lifted word for word. It is called plagiarism and is frowned upon. You wouldn't want people to think you made that up on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
What you might think of as a common phrase or quote doesn't necessarily mean it is well known. Especially outside of one's country.
I suppose it might be the case there but it's not the case here.But good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Did you miss that day in school :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Nah, I've written essays and done my courseworks including the sources but writing a saying to the chitchat of a developer forum carefully trying to quote the author was not in our teachings. Then again I missed a LOT of days in school, so you never know. It might appear that 99,9% of Greeks missed that day in school :p
I missed the day they taught "chill out" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
False and false -- there were no potatoes in the Middle Ages because literally Middle Ages end in 1492 with Columbus, you know what he did then.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
cheers,
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Maybe they used turnips. That was a commonly used crop before potatoes.
Potatoes nearly replaced them though, they just have more nutritional value in terms of calories.
I thought it was eggplant/aubergine based with a bechamel sauce on top? No potatoes. Sapator will set us straight anyway :)
The Greek chef "tselementes" added the French bechamel sauce also Eggplant was known to Byzantines, imported from India.
They did not have potatoes but variations of similar dishes that created what is known a Mussaka may exists on Byzantine times.
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Also why am I arguing, I don't even like Eggplant.
Pastitsio for the win!!!
Seems a bit like pizza, to me. Italy claims it, but tomatoes came from the new world, so the pizza most common in the US couldn't have come from Italy....though a pizza with a different type of sauce certainly could have.
In the end, it doesn't matter. Different regions can take the same dish in different directions. It's all good...except for Cincinnati chili, that's just weird.
I would take Mediterranean cuisine any day of the week tho and probably added that LARGE Tomahawk Stakes with barbecue sauce.
Of course Ice creams any flavor and for sweets probably Galaktoboureko, If you haven't tasted that....Ohhhhh boyyyy....
P.S. I think some Italian cook added something for a King that wanted a big sandwich or something and accidentally created pizza but I also think that pizza variations where found in Greek and Roman cuisine .
It's bread with stuff on it. I would guess that has turned up in one form or another since the dawn of baking.
Who said that the best stuff aren't the simplest?
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And now I have to acknowledge someone for that quote ? :D
A quick Google search seems to indicate you made that up. Probably didn't need to search...no self respecting author would use a broken phrase like that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Well it's a paraphrase of "expensive perfumes come in small bottles" so I wanted to both expose and bash you muharhaaarrrrr!! :p:bigyello:
Just like your potato post; failed and failed...Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Lol.
I'm a failure. :lol:
Me too...and ugly to boot :oQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I know Idaho is largely rural, but wow. Pizza is just potatoes on bread?
Could be worse. I had California Pizza in a hotel once. it had celery on it!
Well, infection, hospitalisation and death rates rates are going up over here and the media and government are finally talking about it. Looks like we're likely to get mandatory masks back and vaccine passports are likely to be thing. Infection rates had been moderately high for a while and, like every other signal we've had about this since the beginning, our government put it's fingers in it's ears and ignored it.
Oh, and it's Aubergine, not Eggplant! The clue's in the fact that there's no egg in it! Ruddy sceptics mangling the language again. Football is played with your feet, not your hands, and letting everyone see your pants is wholly inappropriate.
Yeah, it sounds like there is a "Delta Plus" variant ramping up now. So far I haven't heard that it is more dangerous, but it seems to be more transmissible.
Well.
Don't say I haven't warned you.
P.S. Why Funky explaining football is beyond me. There is only one game of football, the other is pumpkinball :D
I'm pretty sure that I HAVE heard of potato pizza, though I haven't tried any.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
The funny thing about Idaho and potatoes is that we make such a big deal about them, but I don't know that I have ever seen a potato farm in this state. Where I am, it's mostly sugar beets and mint, with some fields of onions. When the mint is being harvested, that's pretty nice. Sugar beets...not so much, as they don't have much smell. However, the great onion migration in western Idaho is a sight to behold. They aren't very good at crossing the roads, though, so there are times in the fall when the scent of their crushed bodies can be rather overpowering on some stretches of road.
But when it comes to potatoes....where are they? I think they're mostly grown to the east of me. We sure do talk them up, and I do think we produce a bunch of them....but where?
I think there ought to be an expose. Somebody should really go digging around and get to the root of the matter on potatoes. Get some eyes on those spuds, I say!! What's the dirt on potatoes?
Potato Pizza is a thing here but , bleah!
We grow a lot of potatoes here. Mostly the Russet, smaller round white, smaller red, and those yellow-fleshed firmer ones. Probably more than half are the round whites and most of those get used as potato chips.
Farms range from small to large, but here large is between 1000 and 1500 acres. 1500 acres is about as big as adjacent tracts of private land can get here with a few exceptions like enclaves of the wealthy like the Huron Mountain Club.
:bigyello:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukIoZ8d3Ew
Isn't that an oxymoron?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I don't get the impression it's a new variant (though I couldn't rule it out), rather I think we in the UK are suffering from complacency.Quote:
it sounds like there is a "Delta Plus" variant ramping up now
Our initial vaccine roll out was excellent and put us well ahead of the rest of Europe. Off the back of that we lifted pretty much every measure you can think of. Nobodies wearing masks, gigs are back on (been to a couple myself), pubs and clubs are open, we've all stopped washing our hands, nobodies checking who's vaccinated and who's not and we're all hugging each other every chance we get. To my knowledge our "social" measures are by far the laxest in Europe and we're paying the price for that.
The vaccines are highly effective but they're not 100% perfect - nothing is. They are a major (possibly THE major) part of the solution but we've made them our only measure. Any IT security expert will tell you that's a bad strategy.
There are issues with that.
UK is 70% vaccinated. You then have to suspect that if covid continues there is either something wrong with the vaccinated or it's all the fault of the unvaccinated or both.
The only way to have people here screaming their laungs to vaccinate is if it's the unvaccinated fault but with new data coming more and more in that is a very far off chance.
If it's vaccinated then shame on you (I mean shame on the vaccinated not you in particular) if it the unvaccinated then same on us , if it's both then it does not matter if we vaccinate or not to prevent the specify situation you mention.
Don't worry. As soon as it becomes "correct" to say vaccination didn't help enough the usual trolls will emerge, agree, and blame Trump. We are close to that day.
I'm must admit I'm intrigued to see what will happen in US. In Europe you can predict, give or take, some actions but in US it's always a new surprise coming through.
I think that's because of the size and patchwork nature of the US. What happens in Idaho is much different from what happens in Michigan, because we're far enough apart that we can act independently. There just isn't enough flow of people between places, so waves can wash back and forth from place to place. In fact, what we may be seeing is just that: Slow motion waves moving through a large population, with surges happening where crests combine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Or not. The bottom line is that we're too big, and not moving around enough, to be considered one entity for the sake of epidemiology.
I think I have to concur on that.
Even the latest study on COVID Deaths Before and After Vaccination Programs does not cover USA. Even tho the study is from John Hopkins university.
And take a look if you like, interesting data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR-pqrMWu3E&t=115s
It would be tough to include the US in something like that. Something like before and after a vaccination program would depend largely on whether the vaccination program was very successful, like some parts of Washington, or largely ignored like it was in Idaho (we still only have 43% vaccinated, and may never get to 50%).
You also have to consider the pandemic in the US didn't get the full attention it needed until after the administration change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Er, no. Trump's vaccine push (Operation Warp Speed) had not produced a tested product ready to be administered until the Biden Coup occurred. The embarrassingly weak acceptance levels however definitely occurred on Biden's watch.
Looks like you got your own version of TDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Well I'm not the one who keeps raising insane politically-motivated points. I just push back on the crazies, stuffing them back into the sewers.
There is a whole lot more needed to fight a pandemic than just a "vaccine push". Also, why do you try and paint the "embarrassingly weak acceptance levels" as Biden's fault. This whole fight against acknowledging the seriousness of this pandemic and working together to control it, started long before the Biden administration. "Biden Coup", lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Yeah, right. Pulling them back, is more accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Biden coup...heh.
It's still chapping your butt that he lost, because anything negative of Trump is sure to get the ol' passive-aggressive attack response. You don't go after criticism of anybody else, but say one thing about Trump and out comes the TDS response. I haven't gone back to check the record precisely, but I don't recall you ever objecting to criticism of any other person, or letting any criticism of Trump not get labeled as TDS.
And then you go on with the Biden coup thing. That one's a hoot. That recount in AZ, with a totally partisan team doing all kinds of sloppiness, and they widened the margin for Biden....but it's STILL a coup. Yeah...heh, that's a coup. When your own partisans can't spin a single recount in your direction, it's kind of like that quote about one of Boris Johnson's cabinet (I forget who, but I think it was some fishy guy), "he managed to lose a rigged election".
I remember a number of Trump rallies where he said the pandemic would be over right after Nov. 4th because it was a democratic hoax! He was on national broadcasts saying that. Some of his supporters still believe that. Is that who you are holding up as an example of someone that handled the pandemic seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Oh, it doesn't require anyone to criticise Trump. Dil is actually inventing criticisms that aren't even being made. It's... weird, frankly.Quote:
...but say one thing about Trump and out comes the TDS response...
The martyr complex on the American right is truly staggering at the moment.
Right? Right?
That's a hot one.
Yeah, I've never thought of Dilettante as being on the right. In the US, politics is kind of a horseshoe which doesn't quite make a full circle. Unfortunately, as you get out towards the ends of the horseshoe, you find a bunch of frilly protrusions like the roots of a tree, and some of those protrusions go on past the protrusions coming from the other side....at which point the whole analogy breaks down, and the simplification of stuffing political positions into either a binary state or even a single, linear, continuum becomes essentially problematic.
Dil's anti-globalization, pro-labor, positions put him generally to the left. Trump was never a conservative, anyways, so that doesn't matter.
We can debate the semantics but I don't think the right is defined by policies and positions any more.Quote:
anti-globalization, pro-labor, positions
edit> to expand on that, the qualifier is now belief in a "Biden Coup"
I think to a lot of people it's an armband they make for themselves, and anyone who doesn't wear it is the enemy.
Winston Churchill Was a Racist Warmonger Who Tried to Sterilize the Mentally Ill
Be careful who you stick up there on a pedestal.Quote:
The "British Bulldog" is celebrated as a defeater of Nazis and champion of democracy. But he also hated Indian people, loved eugenics, and advocated for poison gas.
Everybody loves watching Dr. V:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvUb9jo-Pw
This is how some of our congressman are behaving. We are in a race for the bottom and I can actually see democracy disintegrating more everyday. I truly feel the America I grew up in is disappearing fast.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeff-duncan...-chant-1642534Quote:
South Carolina congressman Jeff Duncan wore a mask featuring the new conservative meme "Let's Go Brandon" on the House floor, with the slogan adopted by Donald Trump supporters in replacement of the "f**k Joe Biden" chant.
"Let's go Brandon" is a euphemism for something not so polite.
Not sure of the relevance but I've never had a problem acknowledging Churchill's dark side. He was a great leader to the nation when one was needed but he was, indeed, also a racist warmonger. What's your point?Quote:
Be careful who you stick up there on a pedestal.
You can add to the list that, while he was a great political leader, he was a terrible military one and a screaming alcoholic to boot. And if you want to get an idea of his autocratic tendencies you can read my sig. It was witty quip, sure, but it also reveals a darker side.
Yeah, that's certainly fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I think there are philosophical people on each side. Philosophical conservatives (the George Will types) didn't support Trump, but the Republican party did. For most people, it is just an armband, with no meaning beyond that. For the philosophers on either side, it is more than that, but they lack the numbers and the weight to swing an election.
So According to OECD the prices are going to rise more in all the goods.
Apparently locking down earth and stopping production just....Ehh damn...just....Mmmmm...I can't say the word... OK, stopping production just forked us over really hard.There.
Any more bright ideas on lock downs due to the flue?What's the general thoughts about that in US and England? I know our bright idiots here are up to something, I mean they disallowed the student parade from happening and in 2 days it's our national liberty parade. They are raising the cases on purpose so they can cancel the parade but the cases are so low I don't think they will make it. Go little dictator go, think of something.
In the US, I'm not even sure how much it matters. We haven't had anything that could be called a lockdown in something like a year and a half, and for most of the intervening time there was no impact. Now, the news is filled with stories about container ships riding to anchor off ports waiting to unload. Then Biden said that one port would go to round the clock to try to speed things up.
Now, if we take these things to be the most important factors, then the inflation we are seeing could be due solely to a supply logjam, and the logjam is happening with unloading ships and moving cargo from the ports. I'm sure that's a part of it, but there's another story in the US, as well:
Car companies responded to the original COVID by canceling orders for parts. Normally, they'd have a steady supply of chips coming in, but they canceled their orders, and now are on the back of the list, because LOTS of people were willing to take their places in the line. That wasn't due to a lockdown, that was due to a mistake. They thought demand would stay flat for a long time, but in the US, demand went through the roof, perhaps because of all the money that was shoveled out to people (which plenty of people felt was enough to cause inflation on its own). The US economy has been rockin' like it's 1959, yet some of the big producers predicted, and planned for, the exact opposite.
And then there are the rental car companies. You may remember that I couldn't find a rental car to get home back in June. That was because the car companies also expected a protracted lack of demand and sold all their cars. Demand came roaring back...and they couldn't buy a car to rent.
So, as far as I can tell, the lockdown in the US had nearly no impact on anything. It was brief, it was ineffective, and it has been over for a long time. However, the predictions of doom coming from the corporate boardrooms was 180 degrees opposite of what actually happened: We all went home and bought crap like it was going out of season. The brakes were slammed on the production lines thinking that we'd stop buying, and instead we got buying like never before...and ended up totally out of whack.
If we are calling this a coincidence, I'm afraid it's not, no matter how much salt of side effect you put into it. I can say for myself, lost almost 70% of my income in one day, so I stopped buying so companies got astray cuz almost everyone was doing the same. I wanted to get a Graphic Card and ....Yooohhaa!! I could sell my own for 3 times it's initial value. The world reset and I'm afraid not in the best possible way as we end up with worse economy, higher prices, higher fuel prices, super higher electric bills, vax unvax wars, huge protests all over the world (except US, apparently everything is fine there?) . I usual get my super market products for 18-20 Euros. Today I paid 32 and I was looking at what the heck did I bought wrong? Except I did not. So on top on that we have our idiots warning for lockdown and tell us to vaccinate because...I don't know, there are less and less excuses, now they are saying to vaccinate because, potentially the cases will rise at some point in time.I don't know, they are losing it also I guess.
So even if that was a huge cancellation scheme in the end we end up with high prices. So as I said and you said, stopping production had that impact. Can you take a guess what companies got a huge profit out of the whole mess?
Yeah, but that's Greece and the EU. The US did something pretty different: We shoveled money to people buy the bale load. I was trying to figure out how much direct money I got, even though I never lost my job or suffered in any way financially. I think I was given somewhere a bit over $3000. For those who got laid off, the feds added a good whack of cash on top of state unemployment. Those who were on the lower end of the pay scale were often making more on unemployment than they did while working. That is a FAR different situation than you faced, and really put the US economy onto far different footing than the EU. Whether that was good or bad, too much or too little, is a matter for debate, but it sure was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Some companies got a huge profit. Those who sold stuff that we wanted, and hadn't shut off their production, got a huge profit. Some went under. Things shifted, there were certainly some winners, as you would expect because there was something of a spending spree in the US. There were also losers, which were mostly those who bet wrong...plus some stores that were marginal to begin with, and couldn't take the initial shock.
Here's a fun graphic of infections in the US:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...e=morning_brew
Here in Ca. there was a lot of stress put on small businesses like salons, restaurants, bars. Think our lockdown rules were a little stricter (or enforced) here. I feel bad for them but it was a necessary step to save lives.Quote:
There were also losers, which were mostly those who bet wrong...plus some stores that were marginal to begin with, and couldn't take the initial shock.
As for things like shortages or inflation, all I can say is, Well, Duh!! lol We've been in the mist of a world wide disaster for almost two years. Whether you lockdown or ignored the problem, a two year pandemic is going to have some negative effects on our lives.
I would say that it has had some negative effects on my life, but it's been clearly positive for me financially. The lack of driving, less eating out (I could, I just decided to change my habits at the same time), and so on has been a total positive for me financially. The fact that we aren't meeting face to face has caused me some inconvenience, but it won't really impact me until next summer, and things might be quite different by then.
Right now, it's cold and wet. An excellent time of year, for me, but not good for my kind of camping with the short days and snow in the mountains. Good time to learn bike repairs, though, and a great time to be out walking, since I don't turn into a dripping mass of sweat. I don't do real well in our summer heat, dry though it may be.
Well don't get me wrong, I also had 5 months of summer vacations and get paid more than enough to do nothing. I haven't done that since I was a kid, so that was fine to vacate and get paid but that is not normal and we really should not get accustomed staying inside.
It's not the me, it's more the us.