OK guys I'm sorry for that, it's how Greeks reacts in extreme cases so I apologize for any inconvenience.
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OK guys I'm sorry for that, it's how Greeks reacts in extreme cases so I apologize for any inconvenience.
I got banned for using no profanity at all, just a somewhat blue phrase.
Everybody has different standards and different responses.
Infection rates are still going up here as Delta spreads. Adjacent Ohio is on the way down, and currently our rates are equal.
It still looks like a "wildfire spread" pattern to me. And I still think the pattern suggests that curbing casual travel between population centers should help moderate the pandemic. Remember "flatten the curve?" That's the moderation I mean. Slowing the pace so people are less likely to acquire a high viral load when infected and more generally place less of a burden on health care resources at any one point in time.
Yeah, all kinds of things COULD work, but I'd say that at this point, it is pretty clear that most of the US is going to opt for doing nothing at all.
I agree but, as Shaggy said, I'm not sure if it'd be politically achievable at this point.Quote:
I still think the pattern suggests that curbing casual travel between population centers should help moderate the pandemic
If I look at the situation in the US I think you should still be wearing masks en-masse, getting your vaccination rates up and curbing any unnecessary travel. I can't picture it happening though - you've got too mane crazies over there.
Actually a lot of the US has already come a good way down the "Delta wave" curve, though not enough to relax cautionary efforts yet. Certainly not where I am, since we are still crawling the Delta upslope.
Evidence may be growing that masking and distancing are fairly ineffective, but they seem like reasonable enough measures to make taking the chance to do without pretty silly. But the ineffectiveness may be due to things like the prevalence of improper mask wearing. You've seen them: nose sticking out, do-rag on the face instead of a halfway decent mask, masks over beards, masks worn under the chin, etc.
Vaccination levels are still climbing very slowly overall, though faster in many states where Delta hit hard already. It seems like some people only get interested once they find their local area on fire. The joke's on them when they find out each dose needs weeks to do it's part in building a defense.
Dr. C shows some trends that look alarming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SQCDIVf1s
Things seem far from rosy there in Narnia right now. UK new cases are actually far higher than in the US and really have been for a long time aside from our national Delta peak.
The last 1/3 of that is a "report" from a guy in Oz. Parts of Australia as well as NZ appear to be rising quickly too. "Down under" this may be Delta, but what's your excuse there in Blighty?
I'm afraid that the problem seems to be the vaccinated.
They are under the fault assumption that they are protected so they don't give in to the safety measures anymore. No masks no distances and no other protection whatsoever.
So there's no wonder the spread.
Non vaccinated are more aware of the issue because, if you exclude as small amount that they are anti vaxxers they take precautions because:
1)They are aware that they might be in more danger of covid but they don't trust those specific vaccines, so they are more careful on precautions.
2)They take covid more lightly but they are not sure what the vaccinated people can spread right now that they did the experimental vaccines so they keep their alarm up. Also crosses and silver bullets.
3)They are more contained on companies of restaurants because vaxbies think that the unvaccinated spread, so they have them in "special" desks or offices or seats.
4)They don't care about covid but due to their good nature and behavior they indulge the vaccinated that think non vaccinated will kill them and they take precautions in the sight of them.
Hopefully we are endemicing so vaccinated people will escape quarantine or send to vaccinated camps so we can be safe.
Actually the problem, in the US anyway, are people that spread this kind of garbage.Quote:
I'm afraid that the problem seems to be the vaccinated.
Of course you think that/Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I have found it tends to be exactly the opposite, the anti-vaxers are also the anti-maskers, anti-social distancing, anti-covid is real, covid is just the flu, type of person. Every person I personally know who has had the vaccine still wears a mask in social situations, or at least in any of the situations I have been present.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Most of the anti-vax rhetoric is denying that covid is any more dangerous than the flu, denying it exists or claiming it is an infringement of their social liberties along with being made to wear a mask etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Approved vaccines, not experimental.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
The unvaccinated do spread, not saying the vaccinated don't either, but the unvaccinated certainly spread. The unvaccinated are more likely to be infected as well, that increases the risk of them spreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Most vaccinated people do care about Covid, they care enough about it to get vaccinated, wear masks, etc. The unvaccinated are potentially putting people at risk as they are more likely to be infected and have a greater chance of transmitting the virus as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
People who are immunocompromised might actually be at serious risk from the unvaccinated as well.
I'm amazed you took the time to answer to that. I should be putting a note at the end or a smiley or something.
But since you did,
Finally people do get that vaccinated can spread also, it took me a couple of pages and bashing from the opposite side but it was worth the wait.
I personally see vaccinated to be cautious at some rate to be frank, but the same goes for the uncaccinated, guess it depends on the idiosyncrasy of the countries.
No anti vax rhetoric is not about covid, it's about the vaccine. Vaccine are on temporary license except the pfiser that is only approved on the US FDA.
No there are not more likely to be infected they have the same chance.
Anyhow all these will endem away probably.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2277...-lower-double/Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ed-people.html
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...-effectiveness
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ure-vaccinated
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/brea...get-covid.html
They seem to be disagreeing with you about having the same chance. Vaccines make you less likely to a) be infected, and b) reduce the severity if you are infected.
I guess I'll jump in on that, too. If the problem in Idaho was the vaccinated not taking precautions, then we'd see about 60% taking precautions, because only 40% are vaccinated. That's not what I see. It's roughly 5-10% that wear masks, and most of them are required to by their employers. For the general public, I think it's down around 5% in most stores.
So, in the case of this state, it's EVERYBODY. Those of us who are vaccinated could probably do better, but those who are not vaccinated are ignoring this just as readily.
What I'd be interested in finding out is who the people wearing masks are? Are they vaccinated? Immuno-compromised? Something else?
My strategy is essentially to stay home, aside from a weekly shopping trip. I'm in one of the categories that Dilettante mentioned, since I have a beard. For me, wearing a mask is little more than a social statement, because it does very little. It redirects my exhales downwards, but I doubt it filters much of anything on inhalation.
Oh I can do that also:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...-unvaccinated/
https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...d-delta-easily
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...a-variant.aspx
And since I was right on Delta be less mortal and vaccinated people can spread (caution here, you where claiming that they cannot spread at all, remember?), I think I'm on good reliability.
So in Greece I kinda see everyone in masks inside, so I cannot tell apart which is which and for that matter it's 50-50 chance here and since unvaxed cannot enter clubs and restaurants and stadiums and gigs, I can safely say that the vaxbies are doing all the work. In US a reporter from Texas, Greek but living there said what Shaggy said. So it's probably US everyone infects, Greece all with precautions but vaxbies going to crowded places will infect.
You think it's appropriate to make jokes and spread misinformation about a virus that has killed 5,000,000 people and hospitalized far more? I don't.Quote:
I'm amazed you took the time to answer to that. I should be putting a note at the end or a smiley or something.
I've been working from home since the outbreak. My company notified us it will not even consider bringing us back until 2022. Then it will be something along the lines you have to come in two or three times a month for "collaboration" days. The mangers have some leeway on that. I'm really spoiled now...I love working from home.
I haven't seen anything about "mandatory" yet but the business the company is in is health care. One piece is Bureau of Worker's compensation Claims. I just had to modify some applications to add a "Covid" indicator. Up to a certain point the Bureau will pay Covid claims and then not. Something to do with how the money was allotted. I'm just a coder...
Yeah, I'm loving this working from home thing. COVID is just an excuse for me, by this point. I think I've done about as much as I can, to no avail. Still, not driving for a week or two is sure nice.
This just came out on CNN about Idaho:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-docto...n-high-1639005
Did you notice that they had to use a picture from LA to show people wearing masks and a store that mandated it? Won't find that in Idaho.
Most stores here in Michigan still require masks unless fully vaccinated, but so far nobody is checking for proof on entry.
It's all a bit dicey with Delta ramping up here. I try to go shopping only at long intervals to reduce trips. Even then I try to go late when there are fewer customers, then get in and get out quickly. Even better might be to go as soon as they open in the morning after cleaning and airing out, or at least letting all the spew settle to the floors.
One odd news item on the radio today: Epidemic of lying. Turns out people really do respond to shaming, but the response is to lie and fake. They'll falsely claim vaccination and/or be found with a mask under the chin, in their pocket, or none at all. I guess the dog ate it.
Our infection rates certainly rose due to Delta but our death rates did not. This is indicative that our vaccination program has worked to reduce the lethality at least. Evidence of it's effect of transmissibility is less clear but our infection rates remained reasonably low after the July (Delta) peak until a couple of weeks ago when they started to rise again. Our media and government aren't really talking about that yet which is pretty disappointing given that the mistake we've repeated more than any other is to act too late:rolleyes:Quote:
what's your excuse there in Blighty?
Personally I think that's a combination of two factors:-
1. In Europe the Delta variant hit here first and hardest due to our close historical and cultural ties with India
2. That left us with a substantial reservoir of infection which we've failed to deal with due to complacency bred out of our low death rates.
I can see the logic in that but I personally think it's dangerous and I think. while our vaccination program has been very good, we've eased social measures too quickly and risk incubating another escape variant.
I like the stunt your Lt. Governor pulled while the Governor was out of state.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/06/10437...e-was-out-of-t
You would think he would have learned since she had already done it once. I saw one of her campaign ads. She is sitting in a pickup truck next to the American flag and a bible in her hand. Towards the end of the ad she lays a handgun on the bible. Just classic :p
Don't get too smug. Ohio ranks 10th in COVID deaths per capita.
States ranked by COVID-19 death rates: Oct. 14
But not from the Governor deliberately making things worse for political reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
You won't hear me defending their malicious policies.
Yeah. We're going to have a wonderful primary race. When two of the candidates utterly loathe one another, and a third took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (yep, he's running, as well)...it's just going to be terrific. There's a fourth candidate, as well, and I'm not sure what position he's trying to carve out. I noticed one of his ads, though it was a static ad with little text. Seems like he might be going for the militia vote, but that sector is pretty well covered by the Lt. Governor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Am I right that they were both Republicans or did I missunderstand that? I mean, that seems really bizarre when (nominally at least) they're both supposed to be representing the same position/
Yeah, they're both Republicans. The two jobs are elected independently, in this state, so they don't have to get along. This is largely a single party state, with the center fighting with an extremist fringe. The fringe has never gotten the top job, but has occasionally won the largely ceremonial #2 spot. The only time Democrats seem to win is when a fringe candidate gets through the primary. At that point, anybody from the center right through the left, votes for the Democrat out of horror at the alternative. Normally, though, the fringe candidates only get a few percent of the vote. Next year might be different.
So after 5 months of no rain we got all the rain of the year in one shot.
Athens overflowed, lucky where I live it's the start of the hill so I will never have issues but other areas got a taste of the lack of the government and mayor to clear the shafts, open emergency water exits and not warn the people to stay indoors. Btw those 2 idiots(prime, mayor) are related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8UGewBUb08
Yeah, there seem to be an increasing number of flood incidents though I imagine a city the size of Athens getting hit is worse than most. I guess you could all huddle onto the Acropolis.
It's a good thing that climate change isn't real.
It has nothing to do with climate change.
Although I overreacted about the amount of rain, it was a typical hard British rain. If they even cared to clear the shafts, plant some trees that where destroyed in the previous years fires and don't allow building over old river corridors then we would have handled it. But they don't care.
C'mon, that's the American way!! Heck, even your floodwater looked the right color. Out here, any heavy rain causes one or more stream channels to 'blow out'. There they are, merrily channeling streams along the same ol' bed. Not changing much from year to year. Moving a little sand, occasionally a rock, but never enough to get excited about. Then BOOM! A heavy rain comes through, and that stream digs it's way down into the ground like a drug addled gopher. The stream turns to mud, whole rivers get blocked from all the debris dumped into them, ponds form, houses are submerged, rafters are panicked, and fish stop biting. Why did THAT rain cause THAT stream to suddenly decide to dig it's way into the ground? Who knows....though incessant wildfires burning off the vegetation certainly does help.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
They way you describe it happened almost identically in last years flood of Evia that also mudbathed my car so I had to get another. But that rain back then was heavy as forks (hope I don't get a warning). I mean lightnings where blasting right out of our doors an of course the river, having had a ton of debris and cement build in it just did the limbo and flooded the hell out. But that was different from what happened in Athens. It was pooring, heck it was pooring A LOT but nothing like Evia's rain.
Why is that the American way may I ask? We are more than capable to block our own water exits and burn our forests thankyouverymuch. :cool: , we even had an entire road build into a river in Athens suburbans. Of course 3-4 years ago that did not go well. Let's say a little Venice was born.
That is heavy for rain :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I think an editing is more appropriate this timeQuote:
(hope I don't get a warning).
Yei, editing! :p
I was chatting with a customer and she is a "long hauler" from Covid from last November. She still cannot taste or smell odors. Every once in a while she will think she smells smoke or a chemical but the people around her don't.
It came up because we both work from home and it was near lunch time. Eating just isn't the same for her. That would suck.
Yeah, that would suck. What fun is eating without taste? I ate a tub of Crisco once, but I could taste it....and I had lost roughly a third of my body weight, so it tasted GREAT!
@Sapator: You're new to this, 'burn down the country' thing. We do it every year.
What?! No way, we have over 5000 years of experience burning down the country and neighbor countries.. Troy anyone? Hellooo!!
For all I know the video may be blocked in Greece, and even if not there is the language barrier.
But here is that famous climate change documentary. This version annotated with academic commentary:
https://youtu.be/ZH1SNmY_1XY
Don't miss the truly exciting sections about sulrpanls and bark beetles.
I can see the link on my home PC, of course I'd never go to it, but at work it is blocked.
I can see it at work but I cannot play it here. I'm supposed to be working...You know?...
It's funny that when I first started they where blocking vbforums but youtube and, ehh, youpo....you know what, was not blocked.
Not that I used it. Nonono. :D
But of course sometimes vbforums tends to be worse :afrog:
China to Ohio, the road to fraud:
1,683 Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Cards & 2,034 Fake Pfizer Seals Seized by Cincinnati CBP
All kids of nasty stuff comes up through the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers trying to use the back door.Quote:
Release Date: September 16, 2021
CINCINNATI–As the country continues to grapple with the COVID-19 pandemic, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers at the Port of Cincinnati remain focused on protecting American lives. Since August 16, Cincinnati officers have seized five shipments containing a total of 1,683 counterfeit COVID-19 vaccination cards and 2,034 fake Pfizer inoculation stickers.
Although the vaccination cards displayed a logo for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), officers noticed misspellings and substandard printing—clues that they were fake. The shipments, which originated in China, were being imported by non-medical entities in private residences and apartments in Illinois, Maryland, Missouri, New York, and Texas.
Seems like we could make them right here in the U.S.A. and they would be "quality" frauds :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
So it is OK to post on this forum during working hours but not look at videos?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Yeah, but remember how inept and lazy our fraudsters are. They'd probably be unable to do as good a job and they might have to leave their gaming throne in Mom's basement to do it. Then there's the general lassitude from smoking dope all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Uhoh sapator, I think you're boss is here! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I'm posting on a coding forum, so.
I can look at the videos but 2 hours video..And I'm not kinda sort working per say, we got a lot of work but since I schedule it correctly I can goof around for a couple of minutes.
Fraud vaccinations are also a thing in Greece.A whole hospital was caught in the act.If I was abled to do the vaccine I wouldn't go hiding out in fake cards, I want them to know that I am not doing the vaccine.
Personally 90% of the persons I know do the vaccine so they don't have the movement limitations, not to get protected.
P.S.
Ye I'm the boss of me....Till the girlfriend comes home...:o
What is the point of those fraudulent proofs of vaccination? Is this for supplying phony cards to employers? I don't know of any use for them, myself, though in some industries I guess they might be required. Are they required to enter businesses anywhere in the US?
It is my understanding that other parts of this country are taking COVID more seriously than in Idaho.
All I can think of are things like employer and airline requirements. Aside from that maybe echo-chamber paranoia about door-to-door checks?
Probably for the next Trump rally :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
And boom goes the TDS. Ah, the gift that keeps on giving.
If you don't have them you cannot work on the hospitals, you cannot go the football stadium or any stadium, indoor and outdoor you cannot sit inside to a bar or restaurant , err what else.. Ah you must pay for your rapid test, probably something with the airport transportation but not sure about that. Dictators gonna dictate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
That might be true in Greece, but these phony cards were found in the US. You're right about working in the hospitals, but are there restrictions on venues?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I remember that Boise State tried to...do something, I forget what it was, but it failed miserably. I'm not sure what, if any, rules they have now.
HA! Just took a look at that one. They HAD required either proof of vaccination or a negative test, but the case loads in Boise are so high that they can't do enough rapid testing anyways, and didn't want to waste any on testing people going to the football games....so they just dropped the requirement.
Did you get that? As a result of the case loads being so high, they dropped the requirements for proof of vaccination or testing negative.
That just kind of sums up my view for how COVID is going in this part of the country: We can't deal with it responsibly, so let's just not deal with it at all.
We have it on venues and also in clubs.
I haven't really paid any attention to the numbers , there is not that much of terrorization recently as my guess is they are waiting for a colder weather to start it. Since we mentioned it in the past, I was paying attention on who the masked mallards are that walk the streets. I see all kind of ages. I also see people using them alone inside their cars or on an empty street, force of habit? In the company building I work there are 3-4 companies split across so one of the companies are "mask on" , we are on "more mask off, slight mask on" and the other companies are completely "mask off". After the initial "did you vaccinate?" period, no one really cares no more. The craziness is going down, unfortunately for our, born out of a potato farm of grievances, politicians, we really don't die spectacularly no more as the hysteria got tiresome at some point, so I'm curious how will mandate more stuff or show a covid outflow.....
I won't claim to have any of it figured out.
Supposedly in the UK they have high rates of vaccination and hygiene compliance and loads of testing and tracking and forehead hologram tags picked up on CCTV in every doghouse and outhouse, etc. But yet the rate of new infection per capita blows away US rates and continues to climb.
My guess is that it stems from relative overcrowding along with far less compliance with strategies like staying home than they admit to.
At the same time they seem to have better levels of hospitalization and for that matter deaths.
I'm not sure we have a grip on the most important factors even this late in the game.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
You probably aren't aware of it, but potatoes are kind of a thing in Idaho. Our license plates have "Famous Potatoes" as the motto on the generic ones. You can also get a license plate with a baked potato on it, we have the Potato Drop on New Years, and the bowl game that gets played in Boise is the Idaho Famous Potato Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
So, watch yourself. We KNOW crazy from the potato farm.
As for the restrictions, as you've probably gathered, I'm kind of lovin' it because it means I don't have to do a tedious commute each day. Eventually, skiing will start up, and I'll have more reason to do the commute, since I can then go skiing after work (work is between me and the ski area), and it would be better if things opened up by next spring, but for now, I'm all for it.
You should acknowledge using someone else's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. – Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, stated by Sherlock Holmes.
So you are saying that when I say:
To be or not to be I must acknowledge Shakespeare
Let sleeping dog's lie - Proverbia Vulgalia et Latina
My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me - Jesus
Sht happens - The Predator ?
Or can we agree that the phrase I wrote is so commonly used that I really didn't have to acknowledge no one?
Potato is one of the words that although is similar to Greek Patata it's actually not Greek as they where found, if I am not mistaken on the early Columbus travels?
But, but, we overused them so much here. Baked fried streamed on Greek Musaka on Greek Pita and all kind of salads ...Mmmmm....
Greek Moussaka variation is Greek. The original was medieval Arabic. IF we dig deep I bet we would find some ancient Greek recipe but I don't think I will do that now.