Yeah, let's blame him for a change :D
And it wasn't necessarily directed at you but more to a group of people around here (you know who you are).
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Yeah, let's blame him for a change :D
And it wasn't necessarily directed at you but more to a group of people around here (you know who you are).
I read that article. Apart from the occasional use of biased wording it did make a fair bit of sense. It didn't justify anything though. The suicide bombings are still just murders, just as every time an Israeli soldier kills an innocent Palestinian it's a murder.
Some secret love you turned out to be. :(Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
And it wasn't necessarily directed at you but more to a group of people around here (you know who you are).
I didn't hear you complaining last night :mad:
You still owe me £50 for that !
You're a cheap date, Wally.
I'm taking that £50 out of my fee for setting you up with Mikey. ;)
Cheap ? He had no more on him than £3000 ! At least no more that I could rob off him *grin*
I bet you another 50$ to bring you some picturesQuote:
I'm taking that £50 out of my fee for setting you up with Mikey.
ID - you don't need to worry about setting me up with anyone. I'm kept more than busy being a conservative American who supports Isreal and at the same time a man who is in love with and married to a Muslim woman.
In fact, I don't even know what I'm doing here, I get enough of this at home!!!
I always wonder that myself.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Couldn't. The phrase is 'couldn't give a ....' I don't understand why so many people get it wrong, it doesn't make any sense when you get it wrong :rolleyes:
It was Wally I was doing the favour for. It's apparently a tough and loveless life being a male hare with man-boobs. :(
Oh bugger off, I'm shagadelic and you know it, you old balding softie you :p
Hey! :mad: Less of the, um.... the... uh...Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
you old balding softie you :p
*Leaves quietly*
>It's apparently a tough and loveless life being a male hare with man-boobs.
You know, they have support groups for that sort of condition, too.
this one from december:
http://www.senate.gov/~inhofe/fl120401.html
Inhofe rocks! I'd honestly never even heard of the guy. There's a new senator in my book of favorite Americans.
Hey Kovan, why don't you try reading those two statements and attempt a point-by-point rebuttal? That should be interesting, indeed.
how about i dont? because i dont read garbageQuote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
Inhofe rocks! I'd honestly never even heard of the guy. There's a new senator in my book of favorite Americans.
Hey Kovan, why don't you try reading those two statements and attempt a point-by-point rebuttal? That should be interesting, indeed.
I rest my case.
If it were garbage, you could tear his statements apart and expose it as garbage.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot assail the truths of which he speaks.
if i had time to read volumes and volumes of garbage and tear it apart then i would have been famous or bored to death, either one
oh i didnt know you had a case your honour, may i proceed to the bench?
after that conversation with you, your no different then Aknisely (Adam) so i have decided that i dont have time to discuss things with you because i feel you are narrow minded who already has accepted the "truth" and will not take anything else in
when you present something that you want clarified or you want to discuss something specific let me know
but i am NOT gonna go read lot of garbage, if anything from that text you feel you want me to address i will but i will not go through it and state my opinion on all of it
Now, now, let's not ruin the friendly tone we had to our conversazione.
I always have an open mind, but can I help it if I get a sense of elation when I read the comments of a senator who speaks the things I feel in my heart in such clear and unfaltering terms?
Here's a point to address:
Show me the consensus of archeologists as to who's land this all was originally (as in, from the beginnings of written history.)
dont get me wrong, it was a friendly discussion and i still maintain the same tone ( i try to) so dont take anything in the wrong way
as for what you requested
i dont have any concensus of archeologists infront of me
going back to the FIRST written history is not going back to the ORIGINAL owners fo the land.
as people have mentioned it before this thread, the land has been occuppied by different races.
Roman Empire, Pharoah, Crosades.. you name
you bring me the consensus of world (NOT US) archeologists who the land belongs to since i dont have anything infront of me
I'll try. The earliest documents foud in the region were Hebrew they were some sort of writings found in Mesopotamia, dating back to 2000- 1500 BCE. As far a claim to the land who knows. People were nomadic then and usually didn't stay in place for a very long time at least thats what the archeologists say. Personally I think they are all full of it and we were dropped off here by aliens as a science experiment 20 years ago and all of that stuff including our memories were planted as props to keep humans busy. any how, supposedly the first people to settle permanantly were the Hebrews and the Philistines but the hebrews killed all of the Philistines and they are extinct.
i like that idea of being dropped of by aliensQuote:
Originally posted by BG
I'll try. The earliest documents foud in the region were Hebrew they were some sort of writings found in Mesopotamia, dating back to 2000- 1500 BCE. As far a claim to the land who knows. People were nomadic then and usually didn't stay in place for a very long time at least thats what the archeologists say. Personally I think they are all full of it and we were dropped off here by aliens as a science experiment 20 years ago and all of that stuff including our memories were planted as props to keep humans busy. any how, supposedly the first people to settle permanantly were the Hebrews and the Philistines but the hebrews killed all of the Philistines and they are extinct.
woudl we be aliens too?
Sort of, were like Alien Lab rats or mabe even on the level of test monkeys since they gave us nukes. not sure my real memory has been erased :D
and you would be the rat that aliens cant figure out why you are so strange from the rest of us
with extra ears and one eye
Well, usually Dry Bones cartoons are not supposed to be all the time funny and even less nowdays. I didn't find any of them funny, but...Quote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
Okay, and one more question for Moon, and then I really am going to get back to work.
The lower left cartoon from Dry Bones, is there supposed to be a joke in that one? I mean, to me, that one seems right on the money and not funny but just a pure and simple truth.
Acording to what Bush said a couple of days ago...It really sounds like a joke rather than a simple truth. I mean, who is trying to widen the conflict anyway?Quote:
by chenko
"... and if anyone is thinking of using this conflict to widen the conflict... stay out" - somit like that
nad_scorp I'm disapointed. The interrogations you make mean that you didn't have a look at the link I gave you, when I did see your links... I don't believe you're trying to figure out the Truth (as you say you seek) but just picking a side to fight for.
Riiight let's compare the amounts of blood and see who are the bad guys and who are the good guys.:mad:Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
That's what I meant with my postings, that people do not know what's happening to palestinians to the contrary of Israelis which the CNN ,BBC and other news networks never stop sending bombings news .
I'll send some pictures if you want to
Yup Every once in a while they show up on my doorstep zap me a few times with the laser gun, make a few ear and eye jokes give me a wedgie and then cruise off in their space ship. :(Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
and you would be the rat that aliens cant figure out why you are so strange from the rest of us
with extra ears and one eye
Bastards:mad: ;)
>Riiight let's compare the amounts of blood and see who are the bad guys and who are the good guys.
Good bit of sarcasm there, Moon. Too often we get caught up into a debate about which side has had the worst end of the conflict. The horrors are on a level impossible to compare and quantify, except for maybe in death tolls, and still the death toll is only a part of the misery.
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Let me take a totally different tact for a minute and try to imagine if the roles were reversed.
Imagine the sole Arabic homeland in the world taking claim to a disputed land. Imagine this lone, solitary Arabic state unjustly evicting scores of people from their homes, and able to do so because they have the technological superiority. As the only democracy in the region, they also receive a quite substantial amount of foreign aid from the U.S.
This Arab homeland is surrounded by half a dozen or more Jewish states, dictatorships with a real chip on their shoulder because some of their brethren have been kicked out of their homes by the Arabic state.
Knowing the nature of these two tribes that have been at war for perhaps three millenia, perhaps longer, knowing these people's character as we do today, how do you think this whole scenario would play out if the tables were completely switched?
First off, that sole Arabic state would not have shown the restraint that Israel has shown. In this alternate reality, if the Arabs had an upper hand like the Jews do in the here and now, they would have massacred all the surrounding Jewish states until the U.S. and the rest of the world told them to knock it off or else.
Second off, the Jews would probably have the sense to realize that they have 10 or 20 times the land and so the surrounding Jewish states would accept the refugees into their own lands and forget about the barren lands that all this fighting is over. They would band together and take care of their own, and accept the incoming refugees in a degree exactly opposite of the way that Lebanon and the rest of the Arab states have left the refugees hanging in the wind. The Arab countries only seem to care about the Palestinians as a tool for rhetoric.
Look at the land that was before the Jews took over in (if my memory serves me) 1948. That whole area was totally worthless. The Jews came in and made a paradise out of it, they must plant a million friggin' trees there a year. Yeah, now that you've made it worth something, give us back our friggin' land.
I'm married to an Arabic woman and I love her as much as any one person could ever love another and my mother-in-law is just about the most wonderful mother I could ever imagine, in-law or not. But if you look at how these people have behaved as masses, how can you not root for the democracy of Israel? What's the alternative? Leaders like Qaddafy, Saddam Hussein, Arafat and Bin Laden???
The Muslim world at one time was the most enlightened people on the planet, but they have not only stagnated but devolved into the most barbaric and totalitarian group of states in the world. It's time for these countries to pull their heads out of their asses, overthrow their leaders, stop treating women as second class citizens, institute democracies, leave the 15th century behind and join the rest of the civilized world.
yup
And if you see them aliens kickem in the nads for me!
I don't know about whether we were planted here by aliens, but there's always the possibility that they'll come and get us sometime in the future.
I always loved the Perry Farrel lyrics to the Porno for Pyros song Pets.
Pets
Children are innocent
a teenager's ****ed up in the head
adults are even more ****ed up
and elderlies are like children
will there be another race
to come along and take over for us?
maybe martians could do
better than we've done
we'll make great pets! X8
[Guitar solo]
my friend says we're like the dinosaurs
only we are doing ourselves in
much faster than they
ever did
we'll make great pets! X8
[Guitar Solo]
we'll make great pets! X8
Good song, I like the lyrics to "Packin" off of the same album too.
I had to track that one down to refamiliarize myself.
Damn, that should be the NRA's anthem!
Whew! What a night. I just came back from the city. Time square is locked up with thousands of palistine protesters protesting.
They had 1200 hundred protesting in Sydney today..... marching and chanting and burning US flags. Apparently our PM got confused and thought it was the Farmers lobby;)
At least there was no flag burning. ;) At least non that i saw. I think fists would have been flying if that was the case. :p i did see a couple of jews yelling at the opposition though.
>Time square is locked up with thousands of palistine protesters protesting.
Ship 'em all back to the Middle East where they can strap explosives to themselves and blow their dumb asses up - only to find out that Allah isn't a fan of terrorism after all.
mike let me make a quick suggestion
your not even a muslim and your passing "Fatwah" on Islam
do you think you should refer to top Islamic scholars on this matter? i mean after all they are the ones that can give fatwah's
just a suggestions but neither i nor you have the position to say what Allah is fan of as far as THIS situation
no harm in azuming allah or ne other god does nut favur terrorizmQuote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
Ship 'em all back to the Middle East where they can strap explosives to themselves and blow their dumb asses up - only to find out that Allah isn't a fan of terrorism after all.
yeah, mike iz not a muzlim, but methinks he said he iz married to a muzlim womanQuote:
Originally posted by kovan
mike let me make a quick suggestion
your not even a muslim and your passing "Fatwah" on Islam
do you think you should refer to top Islamic scholars on this matter? i mean after all they are the ones that can give fatwah's
just a suggestions but neither i nor you have the position to say what Allah is fan of as far as THIS situation
and why are you not sure if allah approvez of terrorizm or not?
Moon
sorry.but plz resend the link since I don't want to go back and search, u know lots of pages....but I'll take a look
mikeycorn
You've been talking about the history of that area claiming it is Israeli's land ,ok the old testiment said that and I believe that ...
But for those who said that we should stand beside Israelis because GOD said so ,Jews did kill Jesus hadn't they ,and their religon is based on a fact that destroys the whole christianity principles and it says that Jesus hadn't come yet although I have a picture of him:D :D :D :D so stop this religous crap of their right.
If I believed in no GOD and someone came claiming a land I was living in is his land and he wants to get me out of it , I would fight him or shall I say it was their's let's find another on that is for no one
Then why did they came into it and started executing people froced about 750 000 to leave Palestine and I've mentioned the brutality and the way they used at that perioud of time.
They kill thousands and shout that they want the palestinians out ,why didn't they came in peace and lived with christians and muslims in the area without fight ,and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....and if they didn't force arabs(Christians and muslims)
to get out no one would've ever mind, but they want to destroy the holy mosque of muslims and build a temple instead of it,
If they went to the church wanting to destroy it to build some temple, I would mind:rolleyes:
And for the countries around them, tell me that the rulers care,they don't ?????they don't have weapons like Israel does,and america is backing up Israel as u know(deny it:rolleyes: ) and they are dectatorists but are the people there accepting them ,I don't think so but they are forced to and USA is not helping when it claims that they have friends in these arab countries (the rulers) and that people's opinions in that far away area doesn't matter and we just need an ally in that area for political reasons.And why did Israel started its terrorist acts one day after those arab countries presented peace settelment that Israel had never dreamt of:confused:
Ok ,I'll take a look at moon's link maybe I'd change my mind but with the mean circumistances and what I'm seeing of the Israeli brutality , I think that'll be hard although I once believed they had all the right
And why don't Israel let the refugees get back ,why did they expell them in the first place
And If u want to have a comparison :
20 palestinians killed yesterday
14 the day before
9 thee one before
12 the day before
and I don't know how many thousands since the last year
while we hear at most that 20 Israelis were killed in a bombing attack every while and then ,while palestinians are being killed everyday with no one to care and some claiming they have no right to protest while jews have that right because they have the power and using it whoever they like claiming its self defense.
BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water:rolleyes:
thanx
And plz all of u pay attention to links.Oops, I didn't:D
www.mfa.gov.il
Skip the news in orange and see the links which answer to your questions.Jews didn't kill Jesus (or Joshua as his name was, he was a jew didn't you know?) as for the rest is the other way around because Christianity came after the Jewish religion, not that it bothers the Jewish people.Quote:
Jews did kill Jesus hadn't they ,and their religon is based on a fact thay destroys the whole christianity principles and it says that Jesus hadn't come yet although I have a picture of him
I see... soo you think the War of Idependence in 1948, the 6 days war, the Gulf War were all wars provocated by the Israelis. You need to see some history books dude.Quote:
They kill thousands and shout that they want the palestinians out ,why didn't they came in peace and lived with christians and muslims in the area without fight ,and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....
they never destroyed the mosque and they never will, it is built on holy (for Jews) ground, that's why Jews not even go there.Quote:
but they want to destroy the holy mosque of muslims and build a temple instead of it,
If they went to the church wanting to destroy it to build some temple, I would mind
He had his chance to stop them before this all big operation. He was asked politely to do that several times. Zinni himself delivered him a list of wanted terrorists. Do I need to think for you too??Quote:
BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water
www.mfa.gov.il if you have already forgotten.
Israel is probably the only country in the Middle East where a dog can easily find a tree to piss on. Arabs have the act of desertification (spelling?) in their culture. Whatever they conquered centuries ago in the south of Europe are today barren lands with lack of forests. Take the south of Spain for example...Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
and they didn't make it a paradise as some claims , it was a paradise ,it is a holy land u remember....
More Jews were expelled from Arab and North African countries than Arabs from Israel in 1948-9. I don't see any refugee camps for Jews, why weren't the Arabs absorbed by the Arab countries?Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
Then why did they came into it and started executing people froced about 750 000 to leave Palestine and I've mentioned the brutality and the way they used at that perioud of time.
The Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis, and Kuwaitis fund the Palestinians, so what?Quote:
And for the countries around them, tell me that the rulers care,they don't ?????they don't have weapons like Israel does,and america is backing up Israel as u know(deny it:rolleyes: )
The peace settlement wasn't a settlement at all, it would have destroyed the state of Israel.Quote:
And why did Israel started its terrorist acts one day after those arab countries presented peace settelment that Israel had never dreamt of:confused:
All Arabs living within the State of Israel at the time of the declaration of independence were offered Israeli citizenship.Quote:
And why don't Israel let the refugees get back ,why did they expell them in the first place
The figure peddled by Arab sites is less than one thousand.Quote:
and I don't know how many thousands since the last year
He's had nine years of almost unlimited mobility to stop the terrorists, he's done nothing but strengthen them.Quote:
BTW how Shall Arafat stop the ones doing the bombing while he's imprisoned in a small room with no electricity nor water:rolleyes:
ok we watch these pictures everyday repeatedly on all TV channels and we felt sorry but why do not these channels put the pictures of the killed palestinians , if we see a picture it seems as a part of the truth , but the don't put the whole truth and so many other pictures that (and I tell u) are even more horrible than those are not seen.
And in 1948 the jews started the war and expelled the palestinians out to other countries (about 750 000) and killed a very big number in horrible ways (maybe your reading the wrong history books) and I'll send the pictures I've got as soon as possible (how the hell can you attach more than one picture in these forums ):confused:
And for zenni he's asking for a one side seizing fire and other conditions that after the palestinian accept USA will START THINKING IF IT'S GOONA ASK ISRAEL TO SEIZE FIRE AND ITS KILLING to palestinians.
And BTW I'm a christian and Jesus differs from Joshua that jews think of , and yes I think they've crossified him and then resseruction occuered and that's why we celebrate Easter:rolleyes: and that's a fact that christians now and GOD in the Bible(new testimnet never said help the jews to get their land in any place) the old testiment said that Jesus is coming and it came but the jews still think that's not the one and he hadn't came yet ,(they've killed him for that) and u say they didn't.
And yes I know he was a jew but was not Joshuaaaa
Last thing Arabic countries that I've visited lots of are not as you say , they are civilized countries (ok maybe the ones I visited) and have lots nice buildings and lots of trees for the dogs and they have cars (believe it or not):p
the peace settelment asked Israel to get to 1967 border which represent around) 70% of the land or more as I think) to get Palestine on the rest of the and to have peace with all other countries , is that a bad settelment for 54 year of occupation , they used to ask arabs to even think of peace and now they refuse
And for the Israeli citizenship story refer to the previous pages where I mentioned how Israel kicked arabs out and killed a lot after the trick of giving them the citizenship.
And you can't get into someones land form a country calling it "independence" and then give it's original people a citizinship,what kind of life is that ?(Story of americans and the original americans)
Israel is preventing any funds from getting to palestinains and America is a friend of kwuait and it has more american bases than in the US :D ,and the same in saudi .
And what funds would be enough against billions of dollars and weapons to Israel:rolleyes:
Err, no. The State of Israel was invaded by Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Israel asked for peaceful relations and instead was forced into war. That is why Palestinians had fled, were killed, and became expelled.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
And in 1948 the jews started the war and expelled the palestinians out to other countries (about 750 000)
You are an idiot if you think Arab countries are civilized.Quote:
Last thing Arabic countries that I've visited lots of are not as you say , they are civilized countries (ok maybe the ones I visited) and have lots nice buildings and lots of trees for the dogs and they have cars (believe it or not):p
The Israeli side of the 1967 armistice lines represent approximately 25% Palestine.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
the peace settelment asked Israel to get to 1967 border which represent around) 70% of the land or more as I think)
Palestine was not the Arabs' country. Partition would have created an Arab state out of the remainder of Palestine. The Israeli part of the partition map held strong Jewish majorities by the end of 1948.Quote:
And you can't get into someones land form a country calling it "independence" and then give it's original people a citizinship,what kind of life is that ?(Story of americans and the original americans)
Israel is at war with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, completely irrespective of their relations to America.Quote:
Israel is preventing any funds from getting to palestinains and America is a friend of kwuait and it has more american bases than in the US :D ,and the same in saudi .
Nobody said the fight had to be fair.Quote:
And what funds would be enough against billions of dollars and weapons to Israel:rolleyes:
No need for words like idiot, it's a discussion (still...)
And I may be wrong
I said the ones I visited and and nothing there was disturbing to a tourist you know
so cheer up and calm down
You don't need to club people in the streets to be uncivilized. There is no democratic Arab state, people who oppose the state are shot every year, terrorists are supplied, operate, and attack from Arab states without restriction. That is uncivilized.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
I said the ones I visited and and nothing there was disturbing to a tourist you know
Not fair OK but stop claiming they are the weak country, I know that Iraq has nothing to fight with right now, I don't think USA couldn't remove all weapons or they can even rebuild ,that's crap, I think they have political reasons like cheap Feul of other countries and of Iraq
And how do these countries allow american bases to be on their lands , and I've never heard of a real war between Israel or Kwait
And what majority was that , all the jews came from all countries and they didn't use to live there.
And what they did in 1948 was not a good act in my opinion and arabs had the right to prevent Israel from occupying the land and expelling people (as refugees)
Israel is at war with every Arab and North African state except for Egypt and Jordan. Kuwait was a heavy benefactor of the Yom Kippur war.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
and I've never heard of a real war between Israel or Kwait
...so what?Quote:
And what majority was that , all the jews came from all countries and they didn't use to live there.
There wouldn't have been an occupation or refugees if the Arab states hadn't attacked in the first place.Quote:
And what they did in 1948 was not a good act in my opinion and arabs had the right to prevent Israel from occupying the land and expelling people (as refugees)
ok
Talking about democracy why does Israel treating arabs with citizinship as a scond class,maybe a second hand:p and are judging in courts those arab people in the parliment.
And a country is civilized with it's people not by rulers, at least some people fight for democracy and at the same time condemn Israel acts.
nad_scorp I can't understand how an ilogical person like you manages to go to university. Are you studying philosophy? Anyway, I quit. Discussing with my mother is more easy...
Now you've lost me...Quote:
Originally posted by goatse
Israel is at war with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, completely irrespective of their relations to America.
Arab-Israelis have more rights in Israel than Jewish-Israelis, because they are not subject to the draft. It is an offense for MK's to perpetuate racism or act against the general consensus of the State of Israel, which is why that MK was relieved of his seat.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
Talking about democracy why does Israel treating arabs with citizinship as a scond class,maybe a second hand:p and are judging in courts those arab people in the parliment.
When the State of Israel was created, almost every important nation on the planet recognized it, except for the Arab states. This makes the Arab states hostile towards Israel, and they are thus formally at war.Quote:
Originally posted by Moon
Now you've lost me...
Why is that Moon ,what is that u didn't like ?
I see...
And I didn't know Israeli-Arabs had more rights, but I did know they are not obliged to go to the army.
Your lack of logic in your reasonings, or should I said instead "cocktail of beliefs"?Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
Why is that Moon ,what is that u didn't like ?
Well, in all other respects they are equal citizens.Quote:
Originally posted by Moon
I see...
And I didn't know Israeli-Arabs had more rights, but I did know they are not obliged to go to the army.