Cool, will have a good look at that later.
Hopefully it will tell me if can use the driving range. Has anyone else found this yet?
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Cool, will have a good look at that later.
Hopefully it will tell me if can use the driving range. Has anyone else found this yet?
Stalking is extremely unhealthy... :afrog:Quote:
Originally Posted by kregg
Not as bad as smoking. Or drinking. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BillGeek
Not individually, but smoking and drinking together has it's advantages. :afrog:
Yes. Like increasing the chances of the grim reaper knocking on your door.
:afrog:
Please explain...I cant see the advantages?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BillGeek
Do you need a pointer?
*Point
Allow me to give you some.
0x4AD32EF1
0X672DDA2D
0X01CE871A.
haha thanks. :)
Anytime. :cool:
Back to the original topic... :afrog:
Interesting that I should find this link... Sometimes I wonder if people who write reviews actually do programming themselves. :confused:
For one, the dude complains that the storyline is too linear. While I agree with that to an extent, I still say he's an idiot. Why?
In the game you have a choice between missions, in particular the missions from Manny and Elizabeta. I finished my Manny missions first, where my cousin finished Elizabeta before finishing Manny missions. She didn't get to do the rest of Manny's missions, as the last mission from Elizabeta shows the truth about Michelle. (I'm not spoiling... ;) ) I think that's about as far as developing a "dynamic" storyline can go. If people want every single interaction to affect another in a game, I can only imagine that such games won't even fit on a dual-layer, double-sided bluray disc. :rolleyes:
What do you guys think?
I agree 85%, if not 100% with that article.
I played the Single Player and Multiplayer mode on PS3 and Single Player mode was OK. Nothing new, they just repeated to death the same formula, although admittedly, I have only done 3 missions, but I know (from my friend confirming to me) that I know (literally) the whole of Grand Theft Auto IV.
Multiplayer was, in my opinion, quite terrible. I've played on Vice City Multiplayer and San Andreas Multiplayer, and they do a much better job than GTA IV's offering of multiplayer modes. And I completely, 100% agree with the lobby point and the Grand Theft Pedestrian point. I wasted so much time trying to find a car, it was ridiculous. Those reverse engineers who worked on SA and VC should've gave Rockstar a few pointers.
Yeah GTA4 is not all good as everyone makes it out to be, Im already bored with it...a GTA game should last way longer than this.
All reviewers seems to have decided that it was a 10 out of 10 game even before it was released, and they refuse to change their mind.
i saw a reviewer give it less than that. Adam on Xplay said "if it was a stand-alone, it would be a 10, but it isn't. It's got prequels that are nearly identical" and gave it an 8 i believe.
We all know game reviewers are mad anyways. What difference does it make?
no one will argue he doesn't have a screw loose. Nearly everyone watches the show to oogle Morgan Webb anyway.
I disagree completely with most of the article.
1. I like the tw@ cafe's. They give an element to the game that was completely unexpected.
2. The new duck and cover system is cool. I'll agree that it needs a bit of refining, but the wall I face is the wall that will be ducked under / against. Not nearly as bad as the dude says.
3. Fine, "ghost cars" appearing is irritating to say the least, though I'd like to see any game that spawns cars from the viewing distance. (Which seems to be around 3km in GTA IV)
I'd still give the game 10 out of 10. I've played GTA 1, GTA 2, GTA 3 and Vice City, and this by far exceeds most of it. I didn't play San Andreas, but still... Other games in this genre (specifically Saints Row) aren't even close to what GTA is.
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The game is great but i would agree with some saying not much has changed. I get the feeling this was almost a trial run for the game on a next gen console! Rockstar didnt seem to want to change much, but why blame them as the GTA games have all been great.
Sounds silly but i think the next one in the series will be what everyone has been waiting for.
I kind of like the idea that not much has changed. Think of it: If you had a completely different story-mode, different interface and different design, would it still be GTA? I don't think so, but unfortunately it's not for me to say.
Overall I think the storyline in GTA4 was too insubstancial. The way SA was done was much better I thought.
In GTA4 there are fewer significant characters and they are all loosely associated. Each person's role in the game is too short and lacking details I think.
In SA there were lots of people and they tied in with other people much more effectively. The storylines for each character were a lot longer and the overall storyline was much more coherent and you felt like you'd actually accomplished something at the end.
With GTA4, once you've finished the main game there's really nothing else to do apart from go online with it but I guess that's what the developers intended anyway. You can only go bowling with Roman so many times before you just want to throw grenades at him. For my money they should have just made a San Andreas 2 and kept the feel much the same as the old SA. If they could keep the gameplay from SA and the graphics, physics and combat system from GTA4 then THAT would be game of the decade!
Thats why i feel this is more to test the waters of the next gen console. Think this GTA was more about the graphics and physics etc..as wossy mentions.
Hopefully futures GTA will think about the story a bit more and we will have the perfect game!
What I think:
- Money is useless in the game, there's nothing to do with them.
As wossname says, once you've finished the main game there's not much left to do.
- Framerate issues, if the console(s) cant handle the graphics without dropping framerates like this, then they shouldnt have made it so good looking. It ruins the feeling.
- Girlfriends are useless.
- I dont find the cover-thingie that much of a problem, as the guy in the article does.
- It just ends to abruptly...you're playing and having "fun", then all of a sudden...all ends, no more missions, no one calls you, its like a waste-land of suck.
I agree with you on the money thing. Buying property on the previous GTAs was a great idea. The cover thing is also a cool addition!
I think you mean unsubstantial, not insubstancial.Quote:
Originally Posted by wossname
Anyways, San Andreas was a good game, but I felt like the storyline was like marmite: You love it or you hate it, and I really did not like that storyline. Things could've been done so much better with the characters and the story. It's like "Oh man, someone killed my moms so I have to kill them and oh yeah take over San Andreas." It seemed quite weak in my eyes. Nevertheless, I still play it and still enjoy the game (even though there are the few insanely hard missions).
However, the game that had a much more better storyline was Vice City. I'll admit, you can't do half as much in Vice City as you can do in San Andreas, but I tell you, it's so much fun working your way to the top of the mansion, owning property, and trying to outdo the competition.
I just hope Rockstar Games do themselves justice and have a similar "build yourself up" theme in the next series.
We dont need a GTA V, what we need is another Theme Hospital!
Urgh! Theme Hospital.
Please, keep on track with thread. It was perfectly fine until you mentioned that horrible game.
There's nothing wrong with Theme Hospital.
Oh, and I agree with Vice City. It's by far probably the best game on the PC that I ever played. Ability to buy property is cool. But think of this now: In VC you could buy property. In GTA IV, you can buy cars...
Best thing ive hear in a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by Atheist
*stab*
Just because timeshifter isn't here nowadays.
Also true!Quote:
Originally Posted by kregg
From what I've seen of GTA IV, I don't even think I'll buy it for the PC. I had my expectations of IV way too high. Shame really.
It is a great game, purley because its so similar to the others. Should have been better though.
But that's what I dislike so much about it.
OK Sure, keep the violence and the "build yourself up" theme to it, but at least change the way the game is played.
It must be nearly impossible for rockstar to take that sort of risk with a game that has earnt them so much, can they afford to change it??
Well it depends if they do it right. They took a risk on making GTA 3D and it's paid off massively. They could've stopped the franchise after GTA 2 or continue making 2D aerial view, but they didn't. They made it bigger and better.
So why not now? I'd rather have lower graphics for a better gameplay mode, because after all, that is what will keep me hooked onto IV, not the fancy graphics or the realistic physics.
I agree about the gameplay over graphics point you make but as far as moving to 3D, they probably didn't have much choice, thats just the way gaming has gone.
Do they do mass surveys on these games and find out what people will want from the next one? (just give em a link to this thread)
All business that survive do and make use of it extensively. Hence why there are in the long run, compared to their ex-competitors.
I agree it was probably not much choice, but they wanted to expand, and hence they had no other choice. If they wanted to expand even more, my bet would be to change the slightly linear gameplay.
Would be good to know who the right people are to feed this information too, some good points have been made that need to be heard.
Just like the real world :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Atheist
why would you want to buy cars in a game based around stealing cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by BillGeek
I'd agree with this - once you've got the rocket launcher, it doesn't take too long before you realise "damn that's it, I've got all the add-on's possible for my character". Havent't played SA but the idea of buying property does sound cool. I'd imagine they put in this amount for bad players who die a lot as it was costing me 10,000 at the hospital each time toward the end, or for letting people reach the 500,000 mark to unlock the achievement easier. They could have put in the option to buy more ammo though. Don't know how many of you have done the acheivement of lasting 5 minutes on a 6 star rating, but it takes a fair amount to get to 6 stars and I was left with only a pistol for a few of those minutes!!Quote:
- Money is useless in the game, there's nothing to do with them.
I've finally finished - took 30.14 hours, I had 1/2 hour left to do the last 3 missions of the game in 30 hours on my first try, but nope couldn't manage it!!! :c( mind you, now I've grasped the driving and using taxi's everywhere I'm sure I could shave off 10 hours on the next run! Anyhow to that point I'd have to disagree - on the calling Packie called me after it had finished (won't spoil it and say why), and Roman too. On the missions there's now the remainder of the 14 extra characters to meet on the street for side missions, the assasin missions I've just finished, the 20 races, the package jobs for Little Jacob, the 50 stunt jumps and all the list of other achievements there were - maybe 20-40 was there? Lots to do and some other bits which help get to 100% completion as well, can't remember them right now, but I was suprised at how much is now left in the game. I completed it, with oding a few side missions and am only at 68% completion - have to try and win at bowling and get3 strikes in a row next myself I think...Quote:
As wossname says, once you've finished the main game there's not much left to do.
Have many people had this one?? I think I got this for 1-2 seconds maybe twice throughout the entire game, that's maybe 0.5 second - 1 minute lag in 15 hours on the entry level 360 console. Am I lucky here, I've read a fair few people have got this...Quote:
- Framerate issues, if the console(s) cant handle the graphics without dropping framerates like this, then they shouldnt have made it so good looking. It ruins the feeling.
Well they're a fair part of the plot (not spoiling that one), and again help to the 100% mark as I think they count as friends you have to see every now and then to keep < 100% happy/friendship/likeness score whatever it is.Quote:
- Girlfriends are useless.
On the whole, it's pretty easy to grasp the cover. My problem was running to the corner of something like a crate, thinking the cover would put me behind the crate out of the way, but getting put to the side and out in the open, but that's just practice and me needing to aim right exactly for the side I need the cover at. The shooting part when in cover isn't all there though - when you tap left or right, it should move onto the next enemy each time. It won't move to the next enemy if you have someone right up close to you, it'll stay focused on them, even if they are hiding behind cover not shooting when the guy just behind and to the side of him is out in the open.Quote:
- I dont find the cover-thingie that much of a problem, as the guy in the article does.
See note above, not sure you've all quite looked up how much there is in this game. Ohh yeah the vigilante mode - the cop car most computer missions, there's also 2 sets of them too left to do as well....Quote:
- It just ends to abruptly...you're playing and having "fun", then all of a sudden...all ends, no more missions, no one calls you, its like a waste-land of suck.
http://grandtheftauto.ign.com/wiki/GTA_IV_Achievements
There you go, after the game theres these to work towards (must admit I'm not looking forward to those pidgeons, even with the maps!)
One thing I would say, I've had the SWAT teams come after me (though they don't use rocket launchers or the helicopter rockets/guns - they're pretty much just ordinary police, nothing special, maybe their vehicles take more to blow up), but I do remember playing one in the past where the army came out. I can't imagine why on Earth they took this out! I guess they're saving it for the add-on release maybe but I do miss the havoc with the tanks...
Has anyone completed the last Bernie mission where he gives you the car - can anyone remember the name of that car please? I kind of totalled mine and wanted to try and find another one! :eek: :D
Yeah at 75%. If you'd jsut walked to the end of that peir Mojo, you'd have seen the helipad - you were right by it but I guess that doesn't matter now.Quote:
I think you unlock the ability to use helicpoters whenever by making Brucie like you alot.
You can buy ammo at the stores marked with a gun on the map. Usually tricky to find as they are not advatised as gun stores.Quote:
Originally Posted by alex_read
About the 6 stars thing, i used to get 6 when flying over to an unlocked island but thats not the case any more. I think you can still get five or six if you try to steal a plane. Makes no sense as you can't actually steal one.
I kind of cheated a little on that one myself - I grabbed full weaponary and armour at one of those gun shops then stole a tour helicopter to get to the top of the statue of happiness - sniper rifle and grenades allowed me to get a few people below and get the police to come, then I used the rest of the guns to keep shooting helicopters down. When I got the 6 stars, I just went inside this statue bit so I could hide for the 5 mins :D :bigyello:
What I meant above is that this would have been a lot quicker for me to do if I was able to buy 100 rockets rather than a maximum of 9 - I had to fire everything I had (apart from the handgun) at the helicopters until I had enough to get to 6 stars! :p
I see...I still haven't managed to get inside that statue yet. Keep falling off!
you need to aim for the corner where her leg bends behind - one of her legs is bent back and infront of the leg is slightly more room. use the left stick & hold back to slow the helicopter right down and use the little shoulder buttons to position the direction & height. Should be able to have it glide in at 1mph and with the right stick you can alter the view so you can see where he's going to jump to...
I did the "Chain Reaction" achievement the other day, that was fun. Although its actually quite hard to destroy 10 vehicles in 10 seconds, given that you can only carry 8 RPGs at once and grenades take ages to go off.
SPOILER
My strategy for getting the "Chain Reaction" GTA4 achievement...
1. Grab yourself a Maverick helicopter (you'll be using it's aviation fuel to generate a big explosion :D)
2. Fly it to one of the quiet "Used Cars" premises, there's one in Alderney and I think maybe one near Schottler. If you go at night there's usually a load of cars parked up and there's no cops around.
3. Land your chopper in the centre of the car park.
4. Take all the nearby cars (there should be 15 or so available within a couple hundred yards) and park them shoulder-to-shoulder around your helicopter. The more cars the better really as the cars around the outside tend to keep the bunch together.
5. Save yourself one decent car that you can use as a getaway vehicle, your next exploit is unlikely to go unnoticed by the authorities :D.
6. Whip out your RPG and nuke the chopper with it, and keep firing at the cars as they catch fire. If you time it right you can blast the requisite 10 cars and only get 2 stars of aggro.
7. Scarper before the Feds start asking awkward questions.
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Alternatively you can break into WestDyke motorbike shop and park as many bikes as you can in a tight group in the corner of the room then get busy with the grenades.
I'd heard the motorbike shop tip before, but couldn't find where it was again! I tried this in a car park, but after parking 5 cars next to one another, stealing the 6th got me noticed by the cops - a drive around to lose them and back to the car park and I saw none of the cars I piled up were there :mad: Haven't tried that one since but might give it another go tonight then. Can you let me/us know where the used car places are by any chance?
I would try the suggested comments, but I'm still waiting for GTA IV to load. And I've turned it on since the day I bought it, which was 29th April.
http://www.vbforums.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by kregg
I know. I'm blue from embarrassment.
I think rockstar substituted those little helicopter missions from the last GTA for motorbike missions on this one. I hate motorbike missions.
Well, playing on Vice City, they have Biker missions. And I totally, completely agree - they do suck... Although I don't know how bad it is on GTA IV.
Worse
Believe me: it's worse! With the added "realism" of driving, it makes it nearly impossible to hit a target while on a bike.
I have finished quite a number though, so it's not completely insanely hard. :thumb:
Im stuck on "I need youre clothes, your boots, and your motorcylce", I just keep crashing because he goes through the little back streets.
Reminds me of that mission in San Andreas where you have to take a bike with OG Loc to kill that guy with the lyrics book (I think?). Man that was an awful mission. :sick:
I think the best thing about the game is the,on foot, shooting missions. The duck and dive button and the new shooting system makes it loads of fun. Aswell as the pretty nasty grahpics. U really feel like your blowing brains out. :)
The more I have been playing, the more really weird AI glitches I have seen... has anyone else seen some odd behavior?
Also, I noticed if you are near a hotdog vendor cart, and there is no guy there selling hotdogs, if you just spin around in a circle (look away from the cart) he magically appears to sell you a hotdog...
I think this game is A+, but I feel like the beta testers may have been too busy having fun to report some of the odd bugs that I have come across in just 2 weeks of playing