Whatever means the police used, those morons shouldn't have been rioting.
Hell, they shouldn't have been there at all.
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Whatever means the police used, those morons shouldn't have been rioting.
Hell, they shouldn't have been there at all.
No Doubt but it's still pretty funny to see a complete arsehole get shot in the balls with a rubber bullet.
>that was a recording from '91.
Right, and the moon landings actually took place inside top secret TV studios.
Just the mere thought of the media taking clips from 1991 to dupe Americans into thinking Muslim fundamentalists were celebrating 9/11 makes me laugh. It reminds me of a chat I had with my sister-in-law.
I talked to my sister-in-law about the horrors of 9/11 and whether they ever addressed it at her Mosque. She said that they stick with the Koran, but then she turned the conversation to how the CIA had planted a car bomb just outside a Mosque in some Middle Eastern country (I forget which she claimed).
She said that they waited until the crowd was leaving and then set the bomb off.
"And where did you come across this information," I asked. A friend had told her about it.
I went on to ask her if a friend telling her about this supposed bombing was reason enough to believe that it really had happened or if perhaps maybe she believed it because she wanted to believe it.
Of course she wanted to believe it! Believing it would make 9/11 just a little bit less unjustified.
I also went on to say that she had no more reason to believe that the CIA planted that car bomb than conspiracy lunatics have reason to believe the CIA invented AIDS and crack cocaine.
Most people pick and choose what they want to believe so that they won't have to reassess the views that they already hold. I'd rather see some evidence. I am realistic enough to know that not every dirty deed done by any government can be uncovered, but I still take faith from the fact that we live in a nation where the media is curious enough and powerful enough that two totally unknown reporters could dig and dig and dig until an entire presidency was brought down.
Then you have a country like Japan, where I think they had a string of like 8 straight prime ministers (or whatever the heck they call 'em) who had to resign in scandal.
Mike have YOU actually gone to the MOON?
so how can you be 100% sure that they actually went to the moon
I don't think it really matters whether or not the Americans actually went to the moon.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
Mike have YOU actually gone to the MOON?
so how can you be 100% sure that they actually went to the moon
I'm actually quite adept at astral projection. I can leave my body and travel the 250,000 miles from the Earth to the Moon in a single night's journey.
I've been to the Moon and seen the footprints and the American flag standing proudly in the windless atmosphere.
Okay, maybe not, but let's not let this thread devolve into another one of those philosophical "can we ever really be sure of anything" type of threads.
damn,Quote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
Okay, maybe not, but let's not let this thread devolve into another one of those philosophical "can we ever really be sure of anything" type of threads.
i was gonna ask how what hotel is the best to stay at
You don't need hotels when you're astral projecting.
You know how cool sports would be on the moon? 2000 ft. home runs, slam dunks from half-court, football fields a half-mile long.
Soccer would still suck, though.
unless we make you the "ball boy" where you have to chase the ball every time it goes out of bound
I think the only ball chasing that would be going on would be you running around in the Turkish baths in the Moon's version of San Francisco.
you would know about ball catching in Turkish baths because?
musta wanted to try turkish after you had arab...
:D :D
I'll try any kind of cusine, as long as it's ball-free.
i dont know man
i met a lot of arabs females, never had one that was into food in bed..
one qQuote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
I'll try any kind of cusine, as long as it's ball-free.
how many nights have you spent on the couch because of the israeli terrosim?
Well, it's never escalated to the point where we don't share the same bed, but let's just say that sometimes the argument will leave us both not at all in the mood.
:(
Anyone see Bushys comments/speech on the middle eastern conflicts... omg, a dog can do speeches better "... and if anyone is thinking of using this conflict to widen the conflict... stay out" - somit like that :p
A few questions :
Has anyone here really thought about the genocide in Rwanda ?
Has anyone ever really thought about the civil war in Angola ?
The war in Zaïre (Now Congo) ?
Has anyone cared about the tyranny of Pol Pot ?
Kids were slaughtered there too (with machetes), women were raped and tortured, husbands cut to pieces.
I never saw a thread dedicated to them but hey, they're not in the middle east right ?
In Israel the war will continue as long as the hawks are in power and innocent lives will be lost along the way.
Peace will only be achieved if politics over there will make a radical u-turn towards peace.
For all you protesters here, your voice is heard. We know it's a dire situation over there. No need to convince us.
Maybe you should direct your grievances to the parties concerned for I doubt that debating the whole matter on a programming forum will yield much result.
Wally Pipp, you wanna take a good 'ol guess why? :rolleyes:
No, I can guess it allright.
In fact, I can't be arsed with the whole bloody thing anymore, I'll leave that to the "connaisseurs". :rolleyes:
thats what i said, but it never works as politics is so ****ing ****Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
In fact, I can't be arsed with the whole bloody thing anymore, I'll leave that to the "connaisseurs". :rolleyes:
acctually everything is ****ing ****
****ing **** it is :p
Exactly ;)Quote:
Originally posted by chenko
acctually everything is ****ing ****
****ing **** it is :p
It was Beirut, in 1985, and it killed about 80 people... according to this interview, anyway. I've no idea whether it's true, and I'm not saying that it's true. Just pointing out that this is an American making this claim. To find the section in question, it's in response to the question "Q: Your comment that the U.S. is a “leading terrorist state” might stun many Americans. Could you elaborate on that?"Quote:
Originally posted by mikeycorn
I talked to my sister-in-law about the horrors of 9/11 and whether they ever addressed it at her Mosque. She said that they stick with the Koran, but then she turned the conversation to how the CIA had planted a car bomb just outside a Mosque in some Middle Eastern country (I forget which she claimed).
She said that they waited until the crowd was leaving and then set the bomb off.
"And where did you come across this information," I asked. A friend had told her about it.
I went on to ask her if a friend telling her about this supposed bombing was reason enough to believe that it really had happened or if perhaps maybe she believed it because she wanted to believe it.
Of course she wanted to believe it! Believing it would make 9/11 just a little bit less unjustified.
I also went on to say that she had no more reason to believe that the CIA planted that car bomb than conspiracy lunatics have reason to believe the CIA invented AIDS and crack cocaine.
Most people pick and choose what they want to believe so that they won't have to reassess the views that they already hold. I'd rather see some evidence. I am realistic enough to know that not every dirty deed done by any government can be uncovered, but I still take faith from the fact that we live in a nation where the media is curious enough and powerful enough that two totally unknown reporters could dig and dig and dig until an entire presidency was brought down.
Noam Chomsky Interview
Exactly ****ing ****Quote:
Originally posted by Michael_Kamen
Exactly ;)
dogs are ****ing ****
cows ****ing ****
kiwis ****ing ****
its all ****ing ****
:D:D:D muwahahahahaha (also ****ing **** ;))
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Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
It was Beirut, in 1985, and it killed about 80 people... according to this interview, anyway. I've no idea whether it's true, and I'm not saying that it's true. Just pointing out that this is an American making this claim. To find the section in question, it's in response to the question "Q: Your comment that the U.S. is a “leading terrorist state” might stun many Americans. Could you elaborate on that?"
Noam Chomsky Interview
uh uh wait a sec
"The bin Laden network, I doubt if anybody knows it better than the CIA, since they were instrumental in helping construct it."
CIA started a terrorist network?!?!?! :confused:
TBH, i think america should keep out, and "defend their children" at home, more people are killed from their own abrasive nature than terrorist activities :rolleyes:
Personally I think it's their mess and the "West" shouldn't get involved at all. Why should we risk our relations with either country by picking sides or by trying to intervene. I can understand everyone wanting peace, but this is something they have to sort out themselves, no matter how long it takes. Surely one day they'll realise that all these tit for tat suicide bombings etc. are pointless, and maybe they'll read my favourite Mohatmah (sp?) Ghandi quote.
Both sides are just stubborn, arrogant fools and should learn that you need to put the past behind you if you want to move forward.Quote:
An eye for an eye, and the whole world would go blind.
Just my 2 ¢
monitor mate ;)
Scroll up Nad_scorp
I've already answered that
post post post, ahhh new pageQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
errmmm...how exactly?
:rolleyes:
Palestine isn't a country. There are lots of armed Palestinian militants. I certainly consider human bombs a form of weapon.Quote:
Originally posted by nad_scorp
OK
Do you know that Palestine is the only country under occupation while all other examples are having a kind of civil war and both parties are armed while in this case palestinians are not ?
They didn't go ther to destroy the country, they went there to settle. The story has already been told in this thread if you were paying any attention.Quote:
For those who are claiming both are idiots , why did Israel came into the first place to destroy that country
Are you claiming they aren't?Quote:
and why are some claiming that weapons are stored in hospitals
Point to a news link.Quote:
[b]do u know that Israel used Palestian ambulances as a trick to enter some plaestinian cities and kill people .[/b[
Hmm, maybe you are :rolleyes:Quote:
BTW I feel that lots of you are trying to get away from the subject or even sending some thrreads to the back pages to prevent others from seeing it ,maybe I'm wrong
:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Palestine isn't a country.
uh yes it is!
http://www.palestine-net.com/geography/gifs/palmap.gif
Technically, I believe it's a region within Israel, not a country.Quote:
Originally posted by chenko
:confused:
uh yes it is!
Yep, Chenko's right. It was partitioned by the British in 1948 into Palestine and Israel. It's just that since then, it has been mostly occupied by Israel for "securty" reasons.
no, he said sending threads to the back pagesQuote:
Originally posted by chenko
post post post, ahhh new page
:rolleyes:
Not quite true, I think. The day after the state of Israel was declared in May 1948, five Arab armies from Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq immediately invaded Israel but were repulsed, and the Israeli army crushed pockets of resistance. Armistices established Israel's borders on the frontier of most of the earlier British Mandate Palestine.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Yep, Chenko's right. It was partitioned by the British in 1948 into Palestine and Israel. It's just that since then, it has been mostly occupied by Israel for "securty" reasons.
We ended up with this as a result:
http://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2002/04/4.gif
Palestine is currently part of Israel, according to international conventions. The current dispute is mostly to do with the establishment of an autonomous Palestinian state. The fact that they're discussing establishing one strongly implies that there currently isn't one.
Well, since it's been under Israeli occupation for 50 years, it is therefore safe to assume that there isn't an independant state of Palestine. However, the Palestinians themselves do not view the Israeli occupation of their land as legitimate.Quote:
Palestine is currently part of Israel, according to international conventions. The current dispute is mostly to do with the establishment of an autonomous Palestinian state. The fact that they're discussing establishing one strongly implies that there currently isn't one.
More relevantly, since the armistice signed in 1948, there legally hasn't been a Palestinian state, irrespective of whether it was the Israelies, the Egyptians or the Jordanians who took over the land - and irrespective of whether the former Palestinians are happy about it.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Well, since it's been under Israeli occupation for 50 years, it is therefore safe to assume that there isn't an independant state of Palestine. However, the Palestinians themselves do not view the Israeli occupation of their land as legitimate.
Incidentally, the Israelies living in what was formerly Palestine probably do recognise the authority of the Israeli state.
InvisibleDuncan
Perhaps you're right, from the point of view of the international community, but the point still remains the Palestinian lands was taken from them and absorbed into Israel and I'm sure that they don't give a f**k about what the international community thinks. As far as they're concerned, their land is occupied by Israel.Quote:
More relevantly, since the armistice signed in 1948, there legally hasn't been a Palestinian state, irrespective of whether it was the Israelies, the Egyptians or the Jordanians who took over the land - and irrespective of whether the former Palestinians are happy about it.
Most of the settlers are religous extremists who move there out of a point of principle (a god given right) and they are the ones who have prevented a peaceful solution comming to this conflict.Quote:
Incidentally, the Israelies living in what was formerly Palestine probably do recognise the authority of the Israeli state.
If they want to live there, fine, but don't expect Israeli soldiers to stand round protecting them.
simonm
I was making no argument as to whether the Israelies/Palestinians/neither are right; I was simply countering your (false!) assertion that Palestine is a country. :)
Incidentally, since I already knew you were talking to me, why did you feel the need to use my name as a title? :confused: