France, Belgium and Germany betrayed NATO?

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Originally posted by Gaffer

No understandable reason to you, because you live an a western capitalistic environment. But not everyone does want to live this this. and we have to understand that some people don't want to live like this. And I believe they have the right to live their life free from what believe to be the "correct" way of living, that of democracy. Democracy is effectively a shambles these days anyway,a s we are seeing with the Iraq situation.

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I never said they have no right but why attack us and more importantly why attack civilians???? We dont!!!!! :( :(

Democracy is not a shambles if you think so then go and look at countries without it, the majority dont have good public transport, hospitals, education and many other things!! Democracy gives us these as we vote for those who promise to give us them (They often dont) but then if the dont we dont vote them back in, that is democracy my friend a choice. :D :D :D ;)

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Ack, that's too simple. How do you know that Northern Ireland will be in peace on day? how do you know that Al-Quaeda want to destroy the whole of the western World. I would imagine they would be happy targetting countries that have unreasonable foreign policies...

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There is always hope (and one day people may not even live there :D :D :D ) isnt there??? :D :D


Osama Bin Laden is known to have said he has declared war on America in the early 90's, America ignored it becuase he wasnt considered a threat until the mid 90's when his first attempt at destroying the towers failed.

What is so unreasonable about trying to prevent wars????? If
your so smart you do it!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

If nobody was their to cool the situation the middle east would probably be a nuclear contaminated graveyard by now, especially when Russia collapsed and nukes were on sale to anyone on the black market :( :( :(

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We have an overwhelming majority of the UK population against war, (and this after the so called "conclusive" evidence promised by Blair/Bush), yet the PM looks like he will not hold any kind of productive debate.

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Worrying isnt it??? I Think the evidence shown it pathetic and i would back him if he would show some evidence but i wont back him at the moment!!! Like you say though , as if we have a choice!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

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AS I understood it, a majority of people would support war with UN mandate...Without, a majority would oppose it.

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Again i agree :D :D :D :D

Well, it seems pretty clear now that Iraq is in violation. It's all about what the UN are going to do about it.

Whether attacking Iraq is right or wrong, if the UN doesn't do something, it will lose what little credibilty it had. It will become totally irrelevant.

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Originally posted by nishantp
Whether attacking Iraq is right or wrong, if the UN doesn't do something, it will lose what little credibilty it had. It will become totally irrelevant.

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I thought it was doing something..... by allowing the inspectors more time.... or do you mean that it should cease to be a democracy and agree with what you want it to do.......

I'm sick of all these arguments, why can't we all live in peace (and masturbate dogs in our spare time)?

Let the UN do their job. They were created to solve problems just like this and have done a good job in the past, they know what they are doing and hopefully it will remain peaceful (Heres hoping).

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I thought it was doing something..... by allowing the inspectors more time.... or do you mean that it should cease to be a democracy and agree with what you want it to do.......

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Sometimes war is the route to peace. A counterstrike is nothing to be ashamed of as long as the strike prevents something even bigger happening.

Back to that old thing WWII

If they had struck Germany first then the war may have been very short.

1) Russia would have been depoloyed in time to wack Germany in the ass

2) French troops would have had the support to defend their country and prepare for war.

The outcome would have been an early fall for Germany and a very short war. People wanted peace so much that they let him get away with alot before they realised what he really wanted and that peace wasnt an option if they were to stop him.

If they had just let him dominate and take over then think about how many more people would have died due to death camps etc. Sometimes less people die by fighting than letting peace reign. Saddam has killed many people because of their religion and nationality do you really think that war is not an option if he starts this again and spreads his clutches into Israel. Not one person in Israel would be left alive and he would possibly systamatically eliminate soldiers and civilians as his forces move in. His hostilty to Israel is well known!!!!

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I'm sick of all these arguments, why can't we all live in peace (and masturbate dogs in our spare time)?

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That is very disturbing;

1) Just in general :eek: :eek:
2) If your a man then it is REALLY disturbing
3) If your a woman then you really need a man (Human) ;) ;) (In which case i am available Wink Wink :D :D :D )
4) Poor dog!!!! :( :( :(

I hear the Iraqis communist party (Shu'wa) are against a democracy that the US is imposing upon them. They say they don't want the Ba'aths anymore. It's filthy.
They were hoping the Shu'wa would be given control over Iraq.

Make sex, no war! Killing innocents in Iraq is bad, not social, and against the bible. Therefor it must not be done.
But somehow Bush, as a rightious Christian, doesn't seem to understand it......

a bit of friendly advice dont bring religion into this because it causes no end of trouble in these forums :D :D :D


Religion has often been the reason for a war look at the crusades :( :( :( :(

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But somehow Bush, as a rightious Christian, doesn't seem to understand it......

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It must be the drink; or lack of it ;)